Only 55 minutes of tennis was played in the Nadal/Djokovic Madrid Marathon!

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  1. JennyS

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    My stopwatch timing of Nadal/Djokovic Madrid SF: 43 minutes of actual tennis!

    (Tennis Channel just re aired it so I timed it!)

    When I recorded it, I simply pressed the pause version after every serve and it took up 55 minutes. However, my finger wasn't accurate as I though (I tended to have 2-3 seconds of extra stuff at the end of each point).

    So this time I stop watch timed it and it came out to 43 minutes. Amazing!
     
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  2. mikro112

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    That means Nadal and Djokovic are extremely exploiting the 20 seconds rule.

    Thanks for confirming!

    Ridiculous.
     
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  3. Cesc Fabregas

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    Jenny could you please tell me how much tennis was played in the 08 French Open final?
     
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    So what you're saying is that, basically, Federer is GOAT?

    Thanks, I think we got that point with your 300+ other threads, JennyS.

    Can we look forward to your next thread somehow proving that Nadal's Wimbledon 2008 victory was an illusion?
     
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  5. bdawg

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    How did you come to this conclusion?
     
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  6. bolo

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    THIS JUST IN! NADAL 2008 WIMBLEDON WIN A SHAM! STORY AT 9!
    JennyS

    lol. :)
     
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  7. P_Agony

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    Huh? What does this thread has to do with Federer being or not being the GOAT? Jenny was stating what we all knew all along, Nadal and Djokovic abused the time limit in Madrid in a new way, and people used this match as an excuse for Nadal's loss in the final, yet Nadal didn't really play tennis for 4 hours. Jenny was just providing the exact time.

    It wasn't fun to read many Nadal fans not giving any credit to Fed for his Madrid win against Nadal, claiming Nadal was tired, injured, etc. I'm sure you remember those threads.
     
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  8. P_Agony

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    Sadly too much.
     
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  9. +1


    :):):):)
     
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    paranoid, anyone?

    what a *******.
     
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  11. So, 3-set match lasted 55 mins.

    And, 5-set match lasted 63 mins (about 14% longer than the 3-setter).

    Well, that only proves that Madrid 09 was one LOOOOOOOONG 3-setter.

    And, by the way, Roddick seemed pretty exhausted after the 63 minute match (he couldn't hit the ball right in the last game), and had to withdraw from Davis Cup afterwards.
     
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  12. JennyS

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    I don't have that one, but I'd guess it was 10 minutes tops:D
     
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    Kinda an overreaction don't you think?
     
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    edit: sorry I thought you were being a troll... you never know
    to JennyS: Wow! so matches are actually really short, why do they take so much time for other things then???
     
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    I'm actually thinking of making a video of showing just the excess time. Then Jack Bauer could use it to torture people with:D
     
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  16. JennyS

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    The changeovers add to the time. It's over a minute every time, I believe. Plus, even if players are playing quickly, there's still going to be 15-20 seconds before every single point.
     
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    This Just In! New Confusing Post! Not Sure What the Numbers Mean! But Am Sure Numbers Will Make Federer Look Good and Nadal Look Bad! Story at 9! :)
    Jenny S

    BTW isn't 34-15=19?
     
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  18. Blinkism

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    I was being sarcastic.

    Totally agree agree with your last point, though, P_Agony. *******s are just as annoying as *******s. Nadal was not injured or tired in Madrid. You have to be quite biased to see that Federer comprehensively beat him.

    Whether or not Nadal played at his very best is another debate, but it was his own fault for not bringing his best, right?

    Anyways, this thread is all fine and dandy if it was posted back in May, but it's just another thread in a line of many by JennyS that somehow knocks Nadal down a peg and/or props up Federer. It's just rehashed arguments, though. So it's all been heard before.

    LOL, I can see a lot of people didn't appreciate my post, though. So, I'll apologize! Sorry, JennyS!
     
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  19. OK, the thread is fine.

    Federer outplayed Nadal in Madrid, and deserved the title.

    But, some people refered to Madrid semi as time-wasting contest and similar bullcr@p, and that's very unkind, since many commentators have said that it's one of the best clay matches in recent times.
     
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    Doesn't this post pretty much contridict what you're trying to prove?
    Essentially what you're saying, is that Nadal only played 8 minutes less than that extrodinarily long wimbledon final and had only a day/less than a days rest before his next match.
     
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  21. P_Agony

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    Nadal wasn't at his best, but he wasn't playing badly either. If I recall correctly his 1st serve % was really high as well. Plus, I can name quite a few matches Nadal won when Federer didn't play at his best - doesn't make Nadal's win any less sweet, now does it?

    I like JennyS. Sure, I may be biased, as both of as are Fed fans, but I really think her threads are interesting. She writes facts, numbers, which sometimes make for a good debate, even if you disagree with her.

    Plus, I don't see how this thread knokw down Nadal in a way we didn't know already. We know Nadal's time wasting problem. Not the biggest Nadal fan in the world can deny it. Fed has his own problems, as is Djokovic, Murray, and all the others, none of them is perfect.
     
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  22. P_Agony

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    It was a tough match, nobody can deny it. Not my cup of tea all those long clay rallies, but a very intense match nonetheless. Still, it did have a lot of time wasting, from both men.
     
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  23. P_Agony

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    Seriously dude, take it easy.

    Blinkism is hardly a troll. He's one of the most respected posters around here.
     
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  24. OK. That's all true.

    But, 55 mins is very close to 63 mins, considering one was a 3-setter and the other was a 5-setter.

    The only thing I can pick up from her stats is that Madrid was very, very long match for a 3-setter.

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    See, if points are the same, then length of 5-setter = 1.66 * length of 3-setter. That;'s not the proportion of these 2 matches. Proportion is 63/55 = 1.13.
     
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  25. paulorenzo

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    it's like saying, essentially, that they were doing 55/63 minutes worth of sprints/suicides.
     
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  26. Blinkism

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    No it doesn't.

    And Nadal wasn't playing badly. He was playing as well as he had been all season. That was good enough to beat Djokovic in two tight finals before, but not enough for Federer.

    Yeah, JennyS's threads are (or rather, used to be) good for discussion and are interesting. Recently, though, they've been repetitive and negative towards Rafa. I was just letting her know that we've been over this already like 30 times this year. We need something new to discuss..

    Well, I don't deny that Nadal is quite slow in his pace between points... I just thought that this topic has been over-discussed back in the spring.

    But, hey! If people wanna talk about it again, then sure.
     
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  27. Wimby 09 final was a serving contest most of the time, so that may be why it was so short.

    Do you have the effective times for Wimby 08 or 07 finals? They may even be longer than 09 one.
     
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    I wasn't going at this for the "Nadal really didn't exhaust himself like some think" angle, but more the "Djoker and Nadal" added a ton of time to the match angle.
     
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    I don't have those numbers. I do have the 08 match so maybe I'll time it sometime soon.
     
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    Its an interesting post but that's about it....it doesn't prove-disprove anything. In most sports the actual individual playing time is far less....a baseball player probably 'plays' for like 2 minutes if you don't count the standing around to hit or pitch.

    jenny, did you actually stopwatch each match??
     
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  31. JennyS

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    The full breakdown....

    Wimbledon final
    tennis: 63 minutes
    changeovers: 52.5 minutes
    remaining time: 140.5 minutes
    (remaining time includes time between serves and time between service games that aren't separated by changeovers)

    Madrid semi:
    tennis: 55 minutes
    changeovers: 22.5 minutes
    remaining time: 165.5 minutes
     
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  32. JeMar

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    What should be done here is time another three-set match so we can see an accurate comparison.

    Comparing a long three-setter to a five-setter is dumb.
     
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  33. JennyS

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    No, what I did was record just the tennis to a DVD. And that's how long each one was. It's actually quite entertaining the to watch the tennis that way.

    But perhaps the numbers would come out a little different if I stopwatched it.
     
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  34. JennyS

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    I'd be really curious to see how much time is played in a blow out match such as Serena/Maria AO 07:D
     
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    Fair enough, though I didn't feel hatred from JennyS, but that might be because I'm a Fed fan (so it's only natural). I also agree this has been discussed to death already, nothing new to bring to the table execpt those numbers in the OP. Plus, even if we do discuss it, it's important to note Nadal wasn't the only time waster on court. There's this guy called Novak...
     
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  36. How did you come up with numbers exactly? Did you just use stopwatch yourself? If someone serves an ace, how long is that?

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    I'm sorry if I'm nitpicking, but the only thing I can see in you stats is that a 3-setter in Madrid was very close (in the actual time played) to a 5-setter at Wimby Final(55 and 63 mins). And that final was an epic match itself. I wonder how would Federer and Roddick have performed the next day.
     
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  37. DarthFed

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    I like her threads...puts a whole new perspective on things. But i can agree with blinkism..this would have been more appropriate in may.
     
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    How arrogant
     
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  39. Steffi-forever

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    And comparing CLAY to GRASS it is too.
     
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    Nice stats. Thanks.
     
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  41. Knightmace

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    What about Nadal/Verdasco
     
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  42. Polvorin

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    Bingo. As Federer said, Wimby '09 final was pretty much a serving contest. In other words, a lot of walking back and forth. Of course that match was like 7 sets worth of tennis rather than 5, but still clay to grass is not going to prove much.

    Credit to Blinkism and P_Agony for discussing things reasonably and somewhat objectively. What a rarity.
     
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  43. Blinkism

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    ^^ thanks, Polvorin, we try to keep discussion as troll-free and flame-free as possible.

    Murray threads are fair game, though :)

    oh, and
    That should be "You have to be quite biased NOT to see that Federer comprehensively beat him".

    total opposite of what I meant to say. :oops:
     
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  44. Wimby 09 is a bad example. It was probably quite short because of so many aces and service winners.

    One thing I will not give up is that Madrid was a very long and exhausting match, and it's not just because of time-wasting. It was a very long 3-setter period.

    But there was a lot of time-wasting. By the end of the match, both Novak and Rafa were taking over a minute on some points.
     
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    what jennys wanted to point out is, that despite of a 3-setter and a clay game, djokovic and nadal had EVEN MORE "wasted" time where the ball was not in play. and this compared to a match that was mainly a service contest on grass...

    people, please think before you're posting.

    @blinksm: haha. almost thought you behave sarcastic in that first posting.


    and well, that is why I play badminton. when you have 1h of playing time, the time where the shuttle is in is about 45 minutes. not that sissy-stupid-tennis-waiting thing.
     
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  46. Actually, JennyS, do what someone here said.

    Time another 3-setter between guys who waste almost no time. Preferably on clay and with equal number of aces, so that short points don't mess up the calculations.

    If it's similar to Madrid semi in terms of actual time of tennis being played, then I will admit that Madrid was a long match because of time-wasting and not because there was a lot of tennis.
     
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  47. Jason Vorhees

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    At the wimbledon final, the changeover breaks were longer than the games.

    BTW OP, what was the purpose of the thread because everyone knows that nadal and djokovic screw the timeout system.
     
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    LMFAO

    You'd be surprised how many people were using the length of Madrid to excuse Nadals loss to Federer.
     
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    I'd rather have an official time it rather than a stranger on the internets for accuracy's sake.
     
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    The official time is like 4 hours...and we all know that that's a bunch of bullsh!t.
     
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