Open 4.5 player plays 3.5 in a tourney

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  1. antq21

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    The number 1 ranked 3.5 player in the state by tourney points gets beat 0 and 1 in first round of a tourney. The player he played was originally signed up for open and somehow gets to play 3.5. The kid that beat the 3.5 says he is playing for a good div 2 college. Div 2 83? The open player could only hit in a spin serve more like a 2nd serve because of shoulder injury. How did this guy get to play 3.5?
     
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  2. Praetorian

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    aah.. i remember the days when people tried to play up, and that being competitive meant "in order to be the best, you have to beat the best". My how times have changed.
     
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  3. beernutz

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    And I remember the days when players tried to fairly rate themselves in order to create competitive matches rather than finding ways to game the system so that they can play people who are well below their ability level. My how times have changed.
     
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    You're right. It was a fun match though. I did enjoy playing him because we rallied some and I had to play differently, but if his shoulder was better it would have sucked because I probably would not been able to play many longer points with him.
     
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  5. mrepro

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    Funny you mentioned this. I just registered for a tournament this weekend and there is a 4.5 player in our 3.5 division instead of 4.5 division. He has a 4.5 ranking and a 4.5 grand prix ranking. He played in a 4.5 tourney last month and lost in 3 sets. Should I email the tournament director, or just let the chips fall where they may? :)
     
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    The Open / 4.5 guy played jr. tourneys or 18 under tourneys and then self rated at 3.0 in USTA. I didn't make a complaint against the guy. If he plays a tourney again and he is signed up for 3.5 I might.
     
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  7. anubis

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    Sometimes you just get lucky and beat the guy. I played a 3.0 tournament this weekend and there was a self-rate who entered with no prior USTA history. Well, he was no 3.0. he was a low-level 3.5 easily. I beat him, but barely.

    I know at first it feels sort of "unfair" that someone that good can sneak into the tournament. And one full level above you is a bit much.

    However, to be honest, sometimes those match ups could be good. Consider this:

    You are a strong 3.5, about to be bumped. Your NTRP is 3.45. Your opponent is a weak 4.5 who just got bumped last year and has been losing matches. His NTRP is 4.05. You're only really a half a level different -- you actually have a bigger chance than you think.
     
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  8. dizzlmcwizzl

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    This may be the worst example describing sandbagging I have ever seen. let me paraphrase ....

    "I am a 3.0, and I beat this guy in a tourney, but trust me he is at least a bad 3.5"
     
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  9. Govnor

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    hahahahahahahaha
     
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  10. Aurellian

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    Perhaps, but the more I play the more I think that tennis is about matchups opposed to ratings.

    Some people may UTSA rate a certain level but may play a style of tennis that is scarce, thus, making them a difficult match up.
     
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  11. goober

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    If a person has no official rating, they can play at whatever level they want if they are ONLY playing tourneys. There are no DQs, no grievance procedure and ratings only come out at the end of the year. They only have to self rate for leagues. I know a guy who played one year of D1 tennis and then stopped playing till he graduated. He then took up tennis again and played only tourneys. He played 3.5, 4.0, 4.5 and open in his first year. Once he got his rating he could not play lower than his T rating.

    For the 4.5 guy who has a 4.5 ranking and grand prix rating- if he does not have an official rating, he can play whatever level he wants. The TD can do nothing other than maybe encourage him to play a higher level, but he can't force him to.
     
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  12. anubis

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    I'm not a sandbagger. I've been a solid 3.0 for two years now with a positive winning record (0.66% win/loss ratio) and a total of 50 official USTA matches. I am just never able to really crush people, so I don't get bumped up. Most of my matches are competitive. Winning matches doesn't guarantee a level increase.

    And 3.0s can beat 3.5s occasionally. I don't see why that is beyond the realm of reason.
     
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  13. roman40

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    Yes, everyone has a bad day, so it's possible.

    BTW, usually to get bumped, you have to beat almost everyone else soundly (at least people who don't get bumped themselves). So, 66% win percentage is not enough, especially considering the number of matches you played.
     
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  14. roman40

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    As a strong 4.0, I wouldn't play 3.5 tourney, that would be somewhat boring. For a 4.5 level player to enter a 3.5 tourney, he'd have to have a crazy sense of humor or low self esteem issues.
     
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  15. Loose Cannon

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    Better yet.....where is that even permitted????

    I never heard of a player picking where he wants to enter a Tourney at......I mean....yeah, you can play up.....never heard of being allowed to play down
     
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  16. OrangePower

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    As a strong 4.0, you probably shouldn't even play 4.0 tourneys... in my experience in NorCal at least, tourneys have a fair number of guys playing up, plus in general the tourney players are not as good as the league players at level.
     
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  17. goober

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    It is not permitted. If you have an actual rating, when you go to sign up through tennislink you will not even have the option of choosing a lower level division than your rating. I suppose the TD could enter him manually although I doubt that is what happened. My guess is this guy does not have an actual computer rating. just look his rating up through tennislink. He will get one at the end of the year though. Playing in a 4.5 tournament previously does not constitute a rating.
     
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  18. dizzlmcwizzl

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    For the record my attempt at humor was not at your expense ... I have no doubt you are a legit 3.0 .... But to suggest a guy should be higher rated after you just beat him is a really poor example of a sandbagger.
     
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  19. roman40

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    Just as well, I don't have time for tourney's anyway :) For me to commit the whole weekend to something, it would have to be something special. Besides, if I want more competition, I'll just join one more USTA team, more bang for the buck :)
     
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