Opponent says I "bounce the ball too much"

Discussion in 'Adult League & Tournament Talk' started by leroy_sunset, Oct 17, 2013.

  1. stapletonj

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    Just realized I am zero bouncer!
     
  2. TimeSpiral

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    I'm stunned that this thread is still alive. That's awesome!
     
  3. arche3

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    I did a trick bounce yesterday. I bounced the ball off the ground and hit the serve. The opponent just watched it and gawked. Ace. !
     
  4. TimeSpiral

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    Lies!

    Ten lies.
     
  5. arche3

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    It's easy lol. Bounce the ball high and hit the serve. Try it.
     
  6. Chotobaka

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    The purpose of the ball bounce is to establish rhythm before the serve. 14 bounces is the tennis equivalent of syncopation -- no wonder the OP double-faults all the time.
     
  7. hrstrat57

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    U start the zero bounce club, I'll join!
     
  8. TimeSpiral

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    I'm not following your syncopation reference. That's typically a term reserved for music and rhythm theory.
     
  9. jussumman

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    Imagine that lol is this even possible. That would 1up even freak play Botelli
     
  10. jussumman

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    In my opinion, five bounces becomes many.
     
  11. arche3

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    You can't really take a real swing. Too hard to get high enough bounce. But you can get it to bounce to your forehead height. Then just patty cake it. They usually don't even try to hit the return but just watch it in confusion. It's a good laugh.
     
  12. Orange

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    Not an ace

    That is quite a trick, but it is not an ace; it is a fault because you hit the ball after it hit the ground, not before.

    The first part of Section 16 of the ITF Rules of Tennis states:

    16. THE SERVICE
    Immediately before starting the service motion, the server shall stand at rest with both feet behind (i.e. further from the net than) the baseline and within the imaginary extensions of the centre mark and the sideline.
    The server shall then release the ball by hand in any direction and hit the ball with the racket before the ball hits the ground. (emphasis added)
     
  13. TimeSpiral

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    Good find! The court cannot start the service motion. The server shall specifically release the ball with his hand. Nice.
     
  14. arche3

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    Well I never actually did it in a juniors or college match when young. I did do it on club round robin doubles and the serve was not touched. For a clean ace! And I got the point.
     
  15. Chotobaka

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    Syncopation refers to a "disturbance or interruption of the regular flow of rhythm". Serving, and preparing for serving, is very much a rhythm thing.
     
  16. arche3

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    You can bounce the ball at a steady tempo 14 times and then hit it. That's a good rhythm.
     
  17. Chotobaka

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    Right. :rolleyes:
     
  18. TimeSpiral

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    Yeah, but syncopation is done on purpose to accent different beats in the rhythm. It's something the musician does on purpose to affect the sonic and compositional qualities of the arrangement. I like that you used a rhythm reference, I just don't think it really fits.

    Maybe a time signature reference is better. If you're used to four beats per measure, and that's all you've every played with, and someone says, "Hey, loser. You need to be playing in 3/4. Can you please stop with this 4/4 nonsense?"

    The server, all of the sudden, is going to feel awkward, out of synch, and may not even be able to perform a proper 3/4 rhythm.
     
  19. Bdarb

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    This one gets people everytime.

    Toss your ball a bit higher than normal, then take your swing early and don't hit the ball. Finish with your racquet turned down as if you hit a kick serve, then as the ball is dropping, swing your racquet up and hit it with the back side.

    This is probabaly confusing, Ill see if I can find a video or something. People are always sitting there like,"...what just happened..?" haha. Don't see why it wouldn't be legal either.
     
  20. Bdarb

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtkpxZx7f0I

    this guy covers all of the good trick serves very well. The one I was talking about is at 50 seconds, though that quick serve he does before that is awesome I can't wait to try it. Same with the Grigor balance it on the buttcap trick. Kids will love those in lessons, nice to have in the bag.
     
  21. Mongolmike

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    Going off tangent for a second... my wife is a big Nadal fan... and whenever we are watching him I usually give a running commentary like this....

    "Pick your butt Rafa... pick it.... pick it... YES!"

    "Now smell your finger... smell it... come on Rafa... smell it.... Mmmmm... smells like butt"

    My wife groans, calls me sick or tells me to stop.... but I feel it is my duty as a 12 year old in a man's body to make these observations. And I'm good at it.

    BTW, back on topic... I generally a 3 bounce. It's a rythmn thing for me I guess. I'm gonna try the no bounce tho. It would seem weird, but I think for serves the less routines you do that are not directly part of the serve motion is a good thing.

    I think we've all seen people do these weird wind-up flailing motions of their arms or wrists.... and then they just pop the serve at 40 mph....

    Watching yourself serve on video can be very eye opening... and maybe the OP might watch himself and see how it looks to others and realize something. Or maybe not.
     
  22. arche3

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    Most seemed legal as well. Lmao
     
  23. tennis tom

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    I bounce three times, it's more for my opponent's sake then mine. I'm giving them time to get set to receive. I call the serve before the bounces in case there's any disagreements so there's time to discuss it before I serve and compound the scoring confusion. Between the bounces and my serve I take one last scan of the court and the perimeter, is my partner standing in the right place; am I going to hit him in the head because he's too tight to the net blocking the path of my serve; is my partner fumbling, trying to put a ball into his pocket not ready to do his job; are my opponent's ready or gazing longingly at the court next door in a mini-fantasy; is there a ball rolling from the court next door that will momentarily be disrupting play necessitating a let, or is the ball going to be stopping harmlessly at the back fence; are the players on the next court in the middle of a point and do I decide to serve down the middle rather then serving wide on thirty/love and not disrupt their point; or do I hate their guts and deliberately go with my wide serve to disrupt their point or hear the sound of a femur cracking.

    I occasionally get called to play by an old guy who looks like he's got one foot in the grave but he's been playing so long that he gets warmed up after a set and out of his stupor he does fairly ok, has great reflexes, doesn't miss a ball within his reach and no matter how fast an out ball is going into his body is able to turn sideways to get out of the way. He has NO BOUNCE and it's a pain in the ***. Until you get accustomed to being super-prepared, every one of his serves is a FAST serve. After playing club tennis everyday for at least sixty years he is totally oblivious to everything around him except for kvetching, hanging his head low when he double faults and can't figure out why.
     

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