Orange Bowl 2012

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  1. NLBwell

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    shut up idiot, she just turned pro but that would be to hard for you to actually check, although I am sure you're just trying to a clown but you failed.
     
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    Talked with Tay she is a real sweet girl and does not need the insults if she was a Bi#ch or something like TCF then let it fly I would help you !
     
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    Glad to hear she's such a nice girl. I really hope she does well. It can be really tough to get weight under control - but it is possible. It is more a mental and emotional issue than physical - and those are more difficult issues to deal with.
    Several WTA are significantly overweight (Pavly..., etc.) and can still win on tour. However, I'm hoping Taylor Townsend can become great, to do that she will have to get in shape.
     
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    Glad Deiton got into the 3rd round. Beat two guys in the top 200. Looks like only one other American got through that far. Still steadily improving. Couple of years ago he was only in the top couple of hundred in California. He's still a long way off from the top, but he's got two years to be at the top of the juniors and possibly a couple years after that before he completely fills into his body. Maybe he'll top out soon like TCF says, but I don't see anything yet to show that. Right now, the road is still going upward.
     
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    Taylor is BEAUTIFUL! Please quit talking bad about her. Your words hurt ME and can you imagine how incredibly hurtful it would be if she ever read them???

    Please leave her alone...You're probably just jealous of her but she is one fantastic girl and she deserves all the goodness the world has to give! GO TT---We're ALWAYS pulling for you, girl!! :) You're #1! Dig the lime green "MOVE YOUR FEET" wristband from HIGH-TECH TENNIS! :)

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    ok, I aplogize
     
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    Oh, great! I can use the money.

    Actually, I can't because I don't buy tickets. At least he is buying tickets.
     
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    Can't win if you don't play
     
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    I agree. What Deit has done in the last year has been very impressive.
     
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    If you are still playing juniors at almost 19 years old you are no where near the top of them.

    Consistency is key to success which we have not seen by any measure. How about a single tournament win in the last several years. How many have there been in the last 24 months? Any? Each section has kids that win a single good match or two and ride the "legend status" from that right into mediocrity. A match here or there means nothing, play enough and any decent player has those. The ones winning event after event are the ones to watch.
     
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    How old is he? Thought DB was younger, junior in high school, your saying he will be almost 20 when he graduates?
     
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    Got it, I would think it would pretty much be highest level juniors, and Futures from here on out. It's really interesting to see what a journeyman or lower ranked pro can do to a top flight junior. At the Tiburon challenger qualies, Mc Donald, Altamirano, no match.
     
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    Mackie lost to Greg Jones atp 373 in both Tib and Sac challengers quals, Sac was 4-6 in 3rd. He's also has two futures wins in doubs. He's 0 for 8 reaching main draw in futures quallies. He's showing promise at 17, getting great experience and will be getting ranking points soon.

    Alta lost to Thatcher in Tib, was deep in almost every game, but inexperience won out. Also Thatcher (23) is on the upswing regularly winning rounds in futures lately. Alta is 16, 17 in a few days, and is 2 for 4 reaching reaching main draw in futures quallies. Very few guys without atp points are going to beat him these days. Also showing promise and will be getting ranked soon.
     
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    So who is the NEXT American #1 in this batch of boys ? You guys see any young Andy Roddick, Federer or Nadal ?
     
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    Yep, I watched those two matches and Lovedeep also. Not saying they don't have game, just how deep the pool is. That pack of players between 150 to 400 in the world is full of former great junior players. I really liked that Alta/Thatch match awesome points. Always been a fan of Mackie, lucky UCLA.
     
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    Way to go Deit!!! Another good win today!!!
     
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    Not sure where you got your facts to make that claim. The physical nature of the game means that very few teenagers are able to do consistently well in challengers, let alone grand slams.

    Below is a list of the highest ranked teenagers. Interesting how there are not that many of them - and none of them are even top 200. Also, none of them are a '95 or '96.

    Who are the 17 year old players that you are referring to and what are they ranked?



    260 Jiri Vesely CZE 7/10/1993
    287 Jason Kubler AUS 5/19/1993
    322 Taro Daniel JPN 1/27/1993
    341 Luke Saville AUS 2/1/1994
    342 Roberto Carballes Baena ESP 3/23/1993
    368 Suk Young Jeong KOR 4/12/1993
    388 Dominic Thiem AUT 9/3/1993
    402 Ricardo Rodriguez VEN 4/28/1993
    413 Thiago Monteiro BRA 5/31/1994
    418 Oliver Golding GBR 9/29/1993
    426 Mate Pavic CRO 7/4/1993
    438 Bruno Santanna BRA 7/12/1993
    448 Juan Ignacio Londero ARG 8/15/1993
    453 Adam Pavlasek CZE 10/8/1994
    474 Alex Bolt AUS 1/5/1993
    477 Joao Pedro Sorgi BRA 10/18/1993
    479 Christian Harrison USA 5/29/1994
    521 Ji Sung Nam KOR 8/15/1993
     
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    I had the opportunity to watch some of Deitman's match today. When I arrived the score was 4-6;1-0 and when I left it was 4-6;6-3;3-1. I was very excited when I arrived and saw his name on the placard that list the names and scores of the current players on court. I also tried to figure out which of the spectators was Brad. I had to leave early so it's nice to learn that he won the match against the #4 seed from Croatia.

    I'm not a tennis player or a coach so all my tennis knowledge is what I've learned by watching my kids play. In my opinion, Deitman's has a very nice game. He seems to prefer his backhand, which he hits pretty flat, over his forehand. He has a big serve. Is he pro material? I have no idea but I wish him all the best. I hope that he is enjoying the journey of junior tennis. He is easy to root for because of his cool demeanor on the court. Good job to make it to the quarterfinals of the Orange Bowl as a wild card. That's called taking advantage of the opportunity!
     
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    And another great win in doubles today!!
     
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    Fair enough. BUT - who are the top '95 players that did not play OB this year and where are they ranked in the Pros? Just curious.

    Thanks.
     
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    I think TCFs claim that many top boys juniors leave ITF jr competition age 14-16 and start on the pro tour that young age, playing Futures/Challengers, is not correct. There are very few of them, and usually they mix it up with futures and Junior tournaments....so they have junior ranking as well.

    However, for girls it is more like that, some of the best jump to the pro tour early and leave ITF juniors completely at age 16. Still most of them mix it up and at least play jr GS, but not all.

    Girls mature earlier and I think there also are rules on max pro tournaments for certain ages that strengthens this difference.
     
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    8 of the top 10 ITF ranked boys are NOT playing the Orange Bowl. The 2 best 18 year old Americans are playing pro and NOT playing the Orange Bowl. The best players from our section never play USTA tournaments. ITF and Futures only. These are the facts. It is the new reality.
     
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    what TCF is saying is that he knows nothing and has always claimed to have all the answers and that if DB showed up to Orange Bowl he would get crushed early and never get 10 miles within the finals and as he chips away he is scrambling to realign his position "the fields week none of the real players showed up ect. " tcf is a disgrace to tennis and the USA and he best thing he can do is head out and go work with lil Roxanne and quit posting , dont forget to put on her red dress tonight !!!
     
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    dont forget its on clay
     
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    Bravo to the 2 Americans in the quarters. You can only beat the players who show up to play. The fact that players skipped the OB does not diminish their accomplishment. I'm sure you will be going to Australia next month. But there's unfinished business in Fla- hope you complete the mission.
     
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    A very nice win, but there will always be some excuse as to what this kid can or can't do from the naysayers. Kudos to him for putting in the work necessary to get to this level, and hopefully there will be more success to come.

    Considering the other kid (Coric) has done training sessions with Goran Ivanisevic I'd say this is a hell of an accomplishment.
     
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    So, you are saying that guys like Peliwo have no shot?
    And Monfils, and Murray?
     
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    You will see this kid Borna on the ATP he is very solid knows how to play has great movement , nice strokes and a very good attitude on court.

    Chieface this was a solid win this kid was playing a pusher style the day before against a kid and I thought DB was gonna buzzsaw him next thing i know they are trading huge groundies and long rallies the 1st set and Borna took it , DB continued till he made his way through him but this kid was NO joke by any means .
     
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    Good luck to Deit today!!! It would be nice to see him win singles and doubles!!!
     
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    That is so true. Why would 99% of the country who never play on clay go to it?

    J Mac, Agassi, Courier, Chang, Connors, Roddick, Ashe, and Sampras all grew up playing on hard courts and the rest of the world was playing on clay.

    It is all about exposure why the USA is not dominating in tennis. In Europe and Asia, tennis is still on tv on a regular basis.

    It is sad to say but Americans would rather watch a race car painted like a pack of Lifesavers go around in circles for 4 hours than watch tennis. You have to give Nascar credit, they marketed their product perfectly.
     
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    Interesting of that list only Courier and Roddick won at the OB. Not sure about the others but believe Agassi, Connors and Ashe played there and lost. Add others such as Becker, Graf, Henin, Seles, Wilander who lost at OB and managed to have pretty successful pro careers. (Note some of these OB loses may have been jrs - haven't been able to find a site with historical draws. It'd be neat to see....)

    Then how about the 18 boys recent champs since 2004:
    Dominic Thiem, George Morgan, Gianni Mina, Yuki Bhambri, Ricardas Berankis, Petru-Alexandru Luncanu, Robin Roshardt, Timothy Neilly

    Any of these winners have a pro future?

    Seems to me, even with the women, too much going on, too much change physically and mentally to rely on OB results as a harbinger of future success even a couple years distant.
     
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    ditto. I see the last time he played this kid (Kwiatkowski) he lost 1, 0.
     
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    Deit has a tough match today against T.Kwiatkowski. If he beats Kwiatkowski the real test will be Quinzi in the semis.
     
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    So clueless :lol:
     
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    Saw both Tai and DB in Sept at USO. Based on what I saw it is a close match. However, a lot could have changed since Sept.
     
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    Great Tourney D.b.!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good Luck In Dubs!!!!!!!
     
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    OB or Eddie Herr? How about any national of any level, or ITF of any level?! I know you come off to some as hard, but you got it spot on. Any decent kid has a great win now and then. Attribute it to one player is just more on that day. But the truly good ones have a consistent showing of good wins that lead to a consistent showing of tournament wins. A single match or even single tournament does not a career make and I am shocked by how many think one day in the life of a junior player makes all the difference. Nope. Keep on keeping on TCF, you got it.

    Making people believe if you say things enough it will come true is absurd. I don't mind cheering the kid on, but don't like the misleading going on.
     
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