Orange Bowl 2012

Discussion in 'Junior League & Tournament Talk' started by NLBwell, Dec 4, 2012.

  1. Number1Coach

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    Oh wait DB has 2 more times to win the OB if he wants and his 1st time is in the quarters wow lot
     
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    Calm down folks. The kid had a nice run to the quarters. Let's leave it at that. The important point here is that college is the right move for most highly ranked juniors. IMHO the only time a junior should think about a direct jump to the pros is when 1) he has multiple wins and final appearances at the big events and 2) his ball striking is off the charts- at or near a pro level. I don't see that with the current crop of American boys. Kudla, Sock, and Harrison were a different story. They made the right move going pro.
     
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    Nice run Brad, congrats to you and Deit! No need to get in the gutter with that guy - he already lost all credibility here, and really is the one who should be laughed off this board... Too bad he didn't make it a permanent sabbatical :-(.
     
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    Congrats to Deiton!
     
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    Thanx and will let Deit know
     
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    Brad - Diet is doing great but the board is right - college is the way to go - at least for a couple of years - are you not at least thinking about that?
     
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    Tai played smart will try and post video of match as soon as I can , As Tai said in his interview after the match is pretty much what happened Tai's game plan was to hit high looping balls and any wide defensive balls were sliced , DB looked to drive through the court which does not work on clay and basically hit himself out of the match , pretty much for the first time in the tourney played a hard court style , hurt to watch LOL

    At this point you must give Tai credit he knew how he needed to play and he did it and i shook his hand and told him smart playing and it was .
     
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    My, my ,my these are children, children with parents who love them. I've chaired a few matches for DB and he is a great kid, and I've met Brad and in person he is a gentlemen. TCF, well by reading his comments he has a personal axe to grind with Brad and that is between them, they should work it out in Privae messages and quit the sniping attacks in public threads concerned with Juniors.

    Brad it is clear to me that you overreacted to an attack on you and your son. You took it too far. Two wrongs don't make it right. Man up and apologize.

    TCF, your in no way innocent here either, seems you owe Brad an apollogy as well.

    Remember gentlemen, you are adults.
     
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    coach on the advice of several top NCAA coaches about 7 or 8 they have said over the years they have watched DB's game progress and by the time he would be ready for college he would be more ready to go after the tour what do you say to that ? I asked them why do they think that because these guys are trying to recruit and they are pointing us towards looking to go pro , always followed by but we would love him at our program ?

    give me your thoughts
     
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    no problem , i am sorry , please just respect our decision about what we are wanting as a family as a team , if you are to come out and watch him in person and can show me why he shouldn't go pro other then jr results i would gladly listen and as always consider ,
     
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    It depends who the 7 or 8 coaches are, your relationship with them, and the level of trust between you and them. Coach: I don't agree with TCF. The pros for your player are a long shot- but possible. Especially with the improvement he is showing. The only logical route to the pros for him is through college. Have you seen the roster at UVA? Imagine practicing with those guys 20 hours a week with top notch coaching, and playing matches against some of the best players in the country. I think the entire group of young Americans need college first. Your player may be an Isner or Steve Johnson. He is not a Harrison. Honestly coach ask yourself how much your bias against college is about not wanting to give up control of your player's career. It is an emotion we all have and very legitimate- but is it in the best interests of your player?
     
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    Nice posts TCF.

    What Brad and his son have accomplished with so little is nothing short of amazing.
     
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    Losing control is not a problem he spends a majority of time on his own already will be for the next month in Fl. Without pops , my problem with college is tennis today is a real full time job on tour , college there are study's that take place after long hours in the class room then you get a little practice 2 hrs a day , extra time is for sleep and rest .
     
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    Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not making excuses for him. Not having been there, mine is just an observation on paper. The best thing I'm hearing from you is it appears you're viewing the experience from a much clearer lens and most of all learning from it. That will make him a better player tomorrow and that's a great take away from the week.

    Good to see you and TCF are settling down the vitriol.
     
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    Best post of 2012!!!!!!!
     
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    How did Abby do at the Nike Junior International tournie?



    ..........nevermind looks like it is going on right now.
     
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    Practice at the very top schools will be at or near the NCAA limit of 20 hours a week. That is more than enough to prep for a pro career. Yes there will be 10-12 hours a week of class and some homework but that part is very doable. On the pro tour it is hard to train and get the right variety of hitting partners. You have to be a finished product just needing match toughness and play. Did the coaches at UVA and USC tell you he should be looking to go pro? I don't think so. Those schools would be perfect to get him ready for the next level. I have more faith in those colleges and coaches than the Academies.
     
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    Now we're getting somewhere. Nice evolution of this forum.

    Along those lines, I am looking for a host for my jr. player for F1-F3 the first 3 weeks of Jan. Looks like they are all in the same general area: Plantation, Sunrise, Weston FL.

    If anybody knows anybody that may be interested in hosting a 17 year old USA boy going for his first atp points, lets talk more. Thanks!
     
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    Nice to see Elias Ymer doing so good these days! Sweden needs another top player soon. Even though Norway doesn't seem to produce any top players we have to enjoy the success of the swedes :)
     
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    Granite give me a call when u can or through YouTube I have a friend in something 'Pines' by Plantation
     
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    Sounds like he has as legit a shot as anyone. You probably don't even remember, and jokingly or not years ago I remember when you were thinking of switching DB to a one hander. That two hander was way too buttery and smooth to ever abandon, but how is his forehand right now? When he arrives at the academy I would have someone check his left arm and how he gets it out of the way on that side. It still appears as though there is a very slight hiccup in there. I'm just going off of what I see in his most recent hitting videos, but it does look better than a year or so ago with Krajinovic and Nishikori.

    Congratulations on all the success. To me when a kid has a legit shot to go for the highest level the people around them should be helping as much as possible. Seems the "board" is finally a little more on board with a positive approach which is nice.

    Best of luck in his training, you can't teach height ;)
     
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    I can contact her dad and see what he says, they are pretty booked though. I think shes got USTA training and heading to Sarasota to open up a Bryan brothers event right before the Orange Bowl. It's a nice offer though. ,,,,From what I hear she's got a tough draw, but the #1 seed lost today to the girl that Abby beat in Eddie Herr. all the draws are posted at www.nikejuniortour.com
     
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    WOW!!!! If it stays like this we might have something really special here guys. A ton of passion with knowledgeable posters WOW!!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!!!!! We can really help each others here guys if we keep this going..
     
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    Please don't under estimate the benefits of a college education....

    I say try college stay for 4 years like Johnson or go the Kosakowski route if he isn't benefiting from college.. then leave and go Pro!!

    Glad to see DB is on the move up
     
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    I LOVE IT!!!!!! SHE'S GONNA KICK SOME BUTT!!!! But make sure you keep your expectations in check. She might look like a million bucks but be patient and remember its growth if she loses to a 12 year old pusher. As long as she stays committed to doing it right results mean NOTHING!!!!!!
     
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    If the serve is at the level your saying it is then she's already ahead of 99.99% of the rest of the kids her age.I would give her notes to take out on court with her. keep it simple with basic reminders and remember to write have fun Daddy LOVES you.I would tell her to think high over the rope groundies(high heavy) and look to move forward. Tell her to serve to he targets and hit her targets.Ask her who she has to play and make sure her answer is her targets. :)
     
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    Most important shot is the high heavy ball. She needs to be hitting with the rope up constantly.And I'm talking high heavy hit full out.If she gets this shot down she will DOMINATE!!!!!!!!!!!! Just make sure she is looking to move forward.
     
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    who s the kid? i may be able to help, i know a few people down that way
     
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    Congrats to team DB!

    Congrats to TCF!

    Waiting for the new and improved Mikej!
     
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    haha, as TCF mentioned after you posted this, i offered some positive thoughts and congrats to DB's team after the coric win - definitely an impressive week and a major difference in the third set results we've seen in the past from the kid - still has approximately zero chance making it as a pro, but i'll admit his ceiling might be a bit higher than i thought a few months ago (in my post - before the whole thread got deleted - i stated there might be gold ball / all-american type stuff in his future, which i would've bet heavily against before the OB results)

    can't help it if others on this forum go crazy and get threads deleted after i say some positive things

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    wouldn't call it a new and improved mikej though - same guy - i'll offer congrats and admit to underestimating him when he has huge weeks like this one (just hasn't ever happened before the OB) - and i'll still be here to go after dad when he makes ridiculous excuses for losses / attacks other junior players / etc
     
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    Tennis has ranking systems in every country and worldwide. Basketball does to? The basketball experts know who the best 6th, 7th and 8th graders are in China, Brazil, Croatia, Serbia, Camaroon, etc. more quantitatively than they do in tennis? Just curious, where's that website?
     
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    ^^^I see what you're saying now. What difference would it make knowing where/who the best players are? I could see an athletic girl like your daughter playing both tennis and basketball though H.S. and getting fullride offers to player either. At smaller colleges (mostly non-D-1) girls playing two sports for those who are motivated is not a stretch. The opportunities for girls athletic scholarships are so much greater for college sports.
     
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    Strange how America produces the best basketball players in the world but so few top tennis players. I have seen quite a bit of bball at the AAU level. What a culture shock in how the players are coached compared to tennis.
    Yelled at, screamed at, swore at by the coaches. Also, parents are not involved- it's all the coach. Maybe that's a key. Who knows?
     
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    Basketball has choice of the best athletes. Tennis in America rich kids average at best athletes.
     

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