Orange Bowl 2012

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  1. Number1Coach

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    TCF your second paragraph is what we went through for years , my advice is the ball machine make the setting to where she can get a rhythm , trust me focus on clean strokes and movement , I was doing a lot of hand feeding till he was 14 , wish I had bought a ball machine , we use one regularly now and now he is a top player every one wants to hit "kinda irritates me " but its all good .
     
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    Tennis isn't a rich person's sport. Jimmy Connors wasn't rich, Pancho Gonzales wasn't rich. I don't think Brad Baughman is rich (at least people seem to be concerned he couldn't pay for DB's college). It is a cult sport. Everyone plays basketball, everyone plays football. All it takes to get good at tennis is a racket, a ball, and a wall (or a shopping cart in Richard Williams' case). After that, some people to hit with at the local public courts.
    However, you have to be part of the cult. Almost always, it comes from the family. You need some good initial instruction - that usually means family members who are good at tennis (Connors was taught by his tennis pro mom and grandmother). You need support from the family to keep playing tennis when the other kids are out doing other things. You need someone to hit with - often parents or siblings. You also need the driving desire to be great at tennis - part of which is inculcated by your surroundings. Also, it can be diminished by peer pressure where tennis isn't considered a "cool" sport.
    When you get to the highest levels of juniors, some money is needed, but it isn't at that point that the best drop out.
    Yes, the cult began in country clubs, and so most of the members come from wealthier backgrounds, but money isn't the big issue. It is a difficult sport to learn and success in it isn't reinforced highly in our society.
    Face it, we are all just cult members.
     
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    I agree with you , one of the things we keep doing on here is thinking all the best athletes are in other sports I disagree purely from the definition of what and athlete is , i have trained around some of the most well conditioned fighters and these guys would struggle with tennis ,thier bodys are not cut out for tennis !

    TCF and Ga tennis have 2 players they should be focusing on turning into athletes it is something we dont look to do in tennis ,that is why DB is stepping up and having the success he is having , when he played Coric the diffence in the match ultimatley was DB became to physical for him in the 2nd and 3 rd set .
    Trust me RG 3 and Luck would suck at this sport their bodys would not allow it but as football quarterbacks they are unbeievable .
     
  4. Freak4tennis

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    Hi Granite; Actually we are looking for the same thing for the same aged player. Mine has 2 singles, and 10 doubles points so he has a bunch of contacts already and is trying to come up with a host for the all 4 including Palm Coast.

    I'd prefer not to say who it is here although I'm certain a few already know. I will monitor this board. If you can share an email address I will email you maybe we can split expenses somehow.

    We aren't certain he's going for all 4, and he may find something on his own, also depends a bit on his training facility there. However, if neither can find a host maybe sharing expenses between 2 or 3 may work as well.
     
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    There is a coach in that area who houses kids named Bill Adams very solid if you would like could give you his no. Or you could look him up he has a passion for tennis and I trust would be very reasonable , let me know
     
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    Yes he can now so that has been nice but trust me if I had it to do over I would have invested in a machine , the one regiment we stayed regular on was plyos and running stairs at 9-12 yrs old kept his feet like and has always had lungs of iron , TCF you are a freak for tennis focus and build within her and addiction for off court training , START NOW with that it will pay off !

    If you do this trust me you will start seeing the vision of her on the tour cause what truly separates the best from the rest will be the insane work ethic if you want you can contact me through my YouTube page ' truly no hard feelings towards you or your family ' I mean that and will be willing to tell you what I did with my daughter and DB .

    We need more Americans in the pipe and deep down inside I know your thinking that way .
     
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    ^^^Great stuff guys. When I was teaching tennis 20 years ago, still playing competitive open level tennis and doing triathlon's, I was then (still am) a huge advocate of getting more fit than your opponent. This included finding ways to be more athletic. There's a lot that goes into the game. Often the easy part is hitting a lot of tennis balls. What many don't realize is when your player is not hitting the ball as clean as they can on a certain day, having a superior fitness base to fall back on can often carry the day.

    We are now again talking about good stuff guys. Keep it up.
     
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    TCF, have you structured such activities (i.e., followed a specific plan), or have you integrated these plyo/agility/balance drills into day to day fun and play? I've started working with my son to develop a better athletic base (fast twitch exercises, SQA type stuff), but it's sometimes hard to know when to do it (on off days or before hitting balls?) and how often (I don't want him to overtrain at his young age).

    FYI, Donald Chu, who co-authored Progressive Plyometrics For Kids, recommended starting his program at age 8-10.
     
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    What is the world coming to:confused:, TCF is back, then, TCF and BB kiss and make up:oops: but the real shocker TCF wants his 7 year old to compete:cry:,,,,,,,,,,,,,, hope she is ready for the ugliest most unfit 10 year old with the worst strokes in the world to push, moonball, bully, cheat and will crawl on her knees from here to china to get a ball high deep to your daughters backhand to a point where she will quit tennis. Welcome to U12 Jr. tennis competition :)
     
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    That's a good plan, TCF. It's pretty much what I've implemented the last 3/4 of a year or so. When do you think is a good age to plan a consistent, structured, workout session focusing on speed, quickness, and agility?
     
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    Thanks for the responses. I can be reached at granitechief at yahoo dot com.
     
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    The two families I had in mind for housing and driving the kids, both are already engaged. This is such a small world! They were actually approached last week, during the OB and both have committed to housing one junior and one college player.

    Sorry!
     
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    ok jr. ITF, is INTERNATIONAl, there is an international little mo going on right now in your neck of the woods, where an 8 year old can compete with other 8 year old using YELLOW ball on full court. no colored balls if she wishes, the evil USTA is not involved, with international players, BUT not many showed up:confused: In my neck of the woods there are over 40 U10 girls that show up to these colored tournaments every weekend. I asked about the level of play at these international little mo tournaments and it seems that it is not that high level, compared to the top players in NE.

    How is the orange bowl level this year? heard it might be weaker than last year:confused:
     
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    I can send you a boy to look at who is better than the one you saw :) who is from our area and will be moving to your area . Not sure how I can contact you though, I will be in GA and might come down to your neck of the woods.
     
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    Hey tcf how do you make lines on all your posts? Is there a global setting or you did it all manually one by one?
     
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    http://tinyurl.com/a4tgyfz

    he jumped ship
     
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    Hey Freak4tennis, I left an email address a few post back: granitechief at yahoo dot com. Just wanted to see if you had any updates or see if we should coordinate.
     
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    Re Little Mo,

    The level is not particularly high at these invitationals. Little Mo is diluting their brand with the expansion into these one off contests. In effect they are selling their brand ID to people who choose to fly out to these locations and play. Soon we'll all be confused on who won Little Mo when.
     
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    How does this kid Djere from Serbia play? He won 18s and also finaled in Eddie Herr, lost a close final 46 in the third.
     
  27. Number1Coach

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    btw love the pic,, what happen with TCF ? kinda worried about how stable he really is one minute everyone has no shot , then he hopes the best and now he may be off to a mall or a school campus , i am a little worried !
     
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    Btw the academy called and told me to tell you some little girl has taken deits spot for the scholarship. Something about Monica Seles or something.
     
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    You can always report a harassment email to the carrier.

    If I get some email that I have won 500,000 dollars and I just need to send a 1000 dollars to Nigeria,
    I just forward it to their account carrier, yahoo for example.
     
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    Or hand it over to a teenager, they can tell you the address of the house that sent the email.
     
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    If anyone messes with your family and you know who they are just give a ring i am allways down for a dance with anyone making you feel uneasy 'threats' about your girl.
     
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    btw if your over towards old Nicky's place the boy is training there till I believe Christmas maybe longer swing by and watch if you can introduce yourself to him , I will be back over there sooner or later , right now freezing in CA
     
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    C'mon TCF... why post at all if you're just going to delete it? It's annoying... and petty.
     
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    C'mon, it's from two weeks ago when a poster was naming his 8 yr old daughter and saying disgusting things. A lot of posts have been deleted in the meantime, so you may have thought the one you cited was current. But it is not
     
  38. arche3

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    Db looking nice in those. Kid is pounding the ball. Good placements.
     
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    BB, DB looking good.

    I like how he is dictating the points.
     
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    Will post more in a few
     
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    unfortunatley over pounded against Thai , Thais defence was solid and on the clay even better and DB went to big and got stung but overall good run , Futures next and a couple of jrs in Brazil then probably the French and so on . Thanx and will post more as I cut it up points won and lost cause it was high quality form both sides .
     
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    Ah... TCF, if you're still reading/posting, my bad.
     
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    A general question. Are you focusing on a particular surface to maximise dbs skill set? I know people train on all surfaces but in your mind is one surface where you will want to break through?
    For my 11 year old son we train on hartru 4 months a year but he is a much better hard court player.
     
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    I have a couple of thoughts , first clay builds the legs which are your most important physical tool in tennis also the hard courts are so slow now and coaches still attempt to train kids according to a outdated system of drills , clay courts expose %'s better and faster then hard courts.

    Hard courts give kids the feeling that they can blast their way through matches its a habit we are slowly breaking on DB and it is what ultimately cost him the OB , if you can play your kid on hard tru every other month I would encourage you of that now rather then later .

    We are fortunate of video recorders cause we have studied his matches a couple of times and he sees the mistakes he made and now we work to correct but you can cut out some of these problems ahead of time .

    in the Thai match you can see him blasting away as thai is spending 80% of the match camped out on the fence and on defense and DB fell for what I call hard court tennis curse on clay. Best to you and your kid .
     
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    I think it is great to play on har-tru. It is slower than hard courts, but when dry, can be a pretty fast court. When wetter, it can be very slow. Between the necessity of adjusting your game to different conditions and, more importantly, learning how to move efficiently on a slippery surface, it helps to develop an overall game.
     
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    I do 'slice' will post , also I agree on the serve motion as were building his strength its not easy to have the smooth motion as he is lifting heavy , soon he will be in the swimming pool to lengthen the muscles and hopefully the serve will be as you and I both would like to see.

    I have most this on a Flip camera and as soon as I figure out how to make the file share-able I will let you guys know then you can watch the whole match ,btw if any of you are computer savy about the Flip camera get in touch with me will take any help I can get haha Really!
     

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