Organix 8 300 Club

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  1. JackB1

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    This thread is for owners and discussion regarding the Organix 8, 300 gram version. I will open it up with my review of this great racquet:

    OK, I got to play with the Organix 8 tonite (thanks Hominator!) and I have to say, I loved it! I had a league match tonite and I put it in my bag just to warm up with and then planned on switching to my regular stick...the IG Speed 315, but the Org8 felt like home right away, so I didn't put it away! I played very well with it and it seemed to work very well with my swing speed and style of play. It has a bit more pop than my Speed 315 and I felt like I always had a little extra power on reserve when I wanted it. It was effortless to hit deep rally balls, but when I wanted to flatten out a winner or drive the ball more, it worked well for that as well.

    My serve picked up some pace and was able to hit my full variety of slices, kicks and flat heaters. I actually served better the first time out with this stick, than I have with my Speed ever! But we shall see it that keeps up. The sweetspot feels huge and the racquet felt good to me. I had it strung with full multi and it has some nice pocketing and a slight cushioned/springy effect which was nice. The extra power came in handy when off balance or stretched out. Also, I was surprised how well drop shots were executed. I knew this was a "baseline bashing" stick, but it also seems to have a decent amount of "touch" for finesse shots.

    Anyway, I am going to keep using it to see if it continues to perform so well and if so, I might make the switch. It was only one outing, so I don't want to overreact, but it was very encouraging Can't wait to try one of these with my usual natural gut/copoly hybrid. The full multi (Xcel) is very good, but the strings have to be constantly adjusted between points and I would imagine the multi will become too powerful after a few more sessions, like most multi's do.
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    I was also very surprised by it's comfort and touch. It's basically a "jack-of-all-trades" even though it was designed for baseline bashing. Just like the Aeropro Drive is a similar tweener that most 3.5 guys can use for just about any type of game they want to use it for.

    I finally feel like I don't have a racquet that is "over my head" when I am not at my best. My IG Speed 315's may be "endangered" :)
     
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    the x8 does have a large sweet zone and good control for a 16x18. i have mine strung with isospeed control 16 and it works very well with this stick.

    i also have a pure drive gt (french open red) and the x8 hits the same ball but with more comfort and control. the x8 may even hit heavier but its a close call. i also like polystar energy 16 in both frames and again, the x8 outperforms.

    it would have been great if volkl would have made the x8 315 and extended length frame and gone up directly against the roddick pure drive gt. my kneissl is 27.2 and it works well for me. (i guess i have a thing for red colored frames).

    anyway, i am a proud member of the x8 300 club as it is a great modern frame for the modern game.
     
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    I have been playing with ABLX90 , Pb10Mid & London . I am enjoying the Pb10Mid more and more , but lately I've been eager to try the Organix 8. Not in the club, but the urge is getting harder to resist.
     
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  5. edwincen

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    is it made in china thing?
     
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    I am in, my setting is MSV Hex focus 1.18/Syn 23kg/21kg. 3g in handle. 329g
     
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  7. JackB1

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    I just noticed that this stick has almost the same EXACT specs as the Babalot Aeropo Drive GT.
     
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    JackB1: did you try X295 version?

    If so, how did you like it compare to IG315 and X8?
     
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    Yes. I didn't like the 295 at all. Didn't work for me. Felt too low powered and light and flimsy. The X8 felt 100% better. More power, bigger sweetspot and got weight through the swingzone.
     
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    Please try to compare X295 with IG 300 when you get it. If not directly on court just how you felt.

    Thanks!
     
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  11. TennisMaverick

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    No comparison. The PB 295 is very polarized. The X300 is much better balanced as the PB 315 is. The X8 300 is a combo of the both.
     
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  12. cayzi

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    You jest mention Volkl rackets. I am asking about Head IG 300 vs. X8. :-?
     
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  13. El Diablo

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    I lasted about a week with the Orgo 8, arm pain and inability to keep the ball in the court, not impressed with spin generation. Much better results with another powerful 100, the 03 White, far more comfortable and much more spin.
     
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    There is decent heft in the throat area to help driving through the back of the ball, so if you want spin, you have to really accelerate the racquet head. If you just want spin, try the X6, X8 315, or X10 295. Make sure to string the crosses less than the mains.
     
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    Played 2 mins with the mod yesterday. god, that thing is damm heavy. removed the 2g leads in hoop, much better.
     
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  16. JackB1

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    I tried the O3 White for a while and had a harder time with the power in that frame. But they are similar for sure, so I would thing if you could find a string setup to make the White work, you could do the same with the X8.

    I haven't found any arm pain with the X8, but I use a nat gut/copoly hybrid which feels very soft. What string setups did u try the X8 with? The O3 White is a good racquet for sure, but I prefer the X8. The White is almost even balanced and feels more "flimsy" in the hoop to me, whereas the X8 feels very solid and stable to me. Also the X8's paintjob totally blows away the plain White's :)
     
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    It does have a heavy swingweight, which is why I don't understand why everyone has to add lead to this stick? I measured mine at the store yesterday and it read 337 on the machine. That was with 4g's of build up tape on the handle.
     
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    A little background. I'm a fit 46 yo, versatile all court I'm told, 4.0, moving toward a SW forehand and I have a newly developed 2hbh. I hit heavy topspin from both sides but can flatten and hit it hard. I've a flat or slice serve. I play equal amounts of doubles and singles and play at least 3-4 week.

    I ordered two X8's when TW had that special. Previously played with the PBV1MP and before that - while just getting back in to tennis again 3 years ago - with ancient Prince racquets.

    The new X8's are strung with a full bed of cyclone at 50/48.

    While my frame of reference <pun intended... is limited I can safely say that the new 8 is my favorite racquet.

    I initially switched to the Volkl [and a 2hbh] for their famous comfort as I was struggling with TE badly, due to playing alot after a 20 year or so hiatus.

    While the X8 is not quite as comfortable as my V1 I have had no TE issues and am playing alot. Plus I'm using a full bed of poly which i had never done before so comfort may be a bit skewed against this setup.

    The X8 offers violent topspin. It's power is fine for me, allowing me the racquet speed when i need it and giving me confidence/power to hit deep shots consistently without swing speed every shot like i had in my early 20's.

    The X8 is fine at the net - reasonably stable. It plows through OK against hard hitters. I'm playing 8.0 mixed against strong 4.5 male oppenents that hit hard / heavy shots and haven't had any issues with this racquet being out of sorts. That was a certain problem with the light V1. Touch is really nice with the X8. Much like the V1 for me.

    Serve is terrific. Nice placement. Heavy spin. Flat out pace when you want it.

    In my opinion it is a must demo for a middle aged all court player such as myself.
     
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  19. jibinhe

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    Then we have similar setup now :D, I have 3g lead in handle.
     
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    An unbiased comment from my tennis instructor, who's a Wilson user and has forgotten more about tennis than most of us will ever learn, after hitting some with my x295 then the X8 300 for five minutes, looked at the X8 unimpressively and said, "the one you have (x295) is way more solid than this thing." I had high expectations for the X8 (maybe too high) and I was still forming an opinion on it at the time, but deep down, I knew I agreed with him.
     
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    That's such a general statement and really doesn't mean much to me. I can't imagine someone saying the X8 doesn't feel "solid". Look...the 295 works for you, so enjoy it. They are 2 different racquets meant for 2 different types of players. There are positive and negative comments about every racquet out there. The TW review team had many negative comments about the 295, so your beef should really be with them. Unfortunately they aren't reviewing the X8, so we don't know how they feel about that one.
     
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    I don't have a "beef" with anyone. An X295 v. X8 comparison was brought up and I offered a different perspective than yours. Has that become a breach of decorum in the Talk Tennis community recently? I don't have to imagine someone saying the X8 is not solid - because I heard it. He made such a general statement because it was a general observation. His bag isn't to pick apart people's gear. He's there to help people become better tennis players. It's from a source who's opinion I respect and he was relating it directly with the X295 so I knew exactly what he was talking about. I'm not the first or only person to post a critical remark about the racquet, you know? I don't think the X8 is a bad racquet at all, but I don't think a different perspective, which may reign in peoples expectations, is a bad thing and shouldn't be something that gets you upset.
     
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    It didn't get me upset. It just seems to me like you are always trying to justify your X295 and prove all the negative comments untrue. If it works for you, that's all that really matters. I love the IG Speed 315 and the TW Reviewers didn't seem to like that one either. I tried the 295 twice and both times came away with the same impression. I strung them myself with my favored strings/tension to be sure. Would it matter to you if I said my local Pro also tried the 295 and said it "wasn't solid" after hitting with it for 5 minutes? Of course not. Bottom line is people have to try these racquets for themselves and see what works for them.

    I was just saying that your post about your "Wilson using instructor" trying each racquet for 5 minutes and then proclaiming yours is somehow better was kind of meaningless. if that made you feel better, than that's cool. Personally, I think I will take the TW Reviewers comments as a little more meaningful since they played with the 295 for a month and tried different strings and tensions, etc. Plus, they do that stuff for a living. Who know what strings that thing even had on it? Either way, I found your post rather humorous.
     
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    An argument in a Volkl thread, and I wasn't invited? Gentlemen, you disappoint me.
     
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  25. TennisMaverick

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    Sorry Jack....it only takes 5 minutes, if that much. You've heard me say this many times.

    IMPO: There are tons of 100in2 sticks, so there is a lot to make a comparison. There is only one X10 design. That makes it tough to compare the two.
     
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    It only take YOU 5 minutes. I wish I could make that statement :) I may know in 5 minutes if I like the racquet enough to continue testing it, but my demo process is much more involved and time consuming. Yes, I can tell in 5 minutes if I like a racquet and can use if fairly well, but that's just the 1st step. I have to see if it works better for me, (than my current racquet) in competitive play and over the course of several matches. I just can't find out everything I need to know in 5 minutes. There's serves, slices, touch shots, baseline rallies, drives, loopy shots, lobs, volleys, etc. For me, it's such a fun and enjoyable process to put a racquet through it's paces, why rush through it?

    The TW team plays with a racquet for a month before writing their reviews. Are you saying they could do the same in 5 minutes?

    In short, everyone has their own method and timeframe for testing and trying racquets. There is no universal rule on this one. Totally personal.

    BTW, picked up my 3rd X8 today and played more last night and continue to really like it. Now when is Volkl going to come out with Organix bags?
     
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    Nicely played, this really made me laugh :)
     
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    TM is referring to the pro who has played so much that he knows a good stick from a bad one.

    For me, I can pick up a bass guitar and know if I want it in less than 1 minute. I have never been wrong.
     
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    Same here. I used to work at a big name guitar store as a sales rep, and I dealt with more guitars and basses then most people do in their entire lives!

    The more you deal with certain objects, the more you know what you like. Tennis is quite specific because there are 4,5,6,7,8+ things you look for once you like, but it does become easier the more you deal with them.

    -Fuji
     
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    ^^^ apples to oranges

    a guitar is all about how it feels in your hands. a racquets needs to be played with. I play guitar and bass, so I know what u mean.

    I don't think TM was only referring to a Pro. He has said many times that anyone should know in 5 minutes.

    I know in 5 minutes if I hate it or I want to continue exploring the racquet. I don't know in 5 minutes if this is the racquet I will use for the next couple of years.
     
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    I am not sure if it is Apples to Oranges. My point is that when you have been doing something half your life or more at a fairly high level you are going to be able to make extremely fast and accurate decisions on gear. And plus I actually do not make my decision on a guitars feel in my hands at all. That is actually not as much of a factor to me as I can adapt to that.

    I have ZERO GAS when it comes to guitars. None. I don't lust over anything anymore because I know what tones I need and I'm done. To me that is what it is like for Dparis's pro when he hits with a racquet.

    Fuji gets what I am saying.

    If TM is saying any rec player should know in 5 minutes, I am not sure. It just takes experience to really learn what you like and there is no substitute for that.
     
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    I agree with all of that and it makes sense.

    My point is I don't HAVE to decide in 5 min's. I like taking my time and playtesting until I am 99% sure I want to put them in my bag. There is no rush for me. But I am this way with everything, so it's just in my DNA. I just can't make quick decisions on purchases. I "hem and haw" on most everything. Heck, it took me to age 40 to pick out a wife! Lots of "playtesting" :)
     
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    Yeah I actually enjoy the process since Tennis is not a source of income for me and rather a source of fun.
     
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    Jack,

    My wife always tells me that she's glad I'm not playtesting wives as I do with racquets.
     
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    I've been with mine for 10 years now, so to all those naysayers... see I CAN hold onto something!! :)
     
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    So you're saying "just make a list of what racquets work for you and be done with it"? That would make for kind of a boring forum. I thought we are here to discuss racquets, why some work for you and why others don't, give advice and dispense a little dime store psychology.:) I have no need to "justify" my opinion of the X295. I know what I can and can't do well with it, and I'm not trying to convince you to like it. It's actually to my benefit that you didn't like it, right?

    Again, why so defensive? You'll either like the X8 and enjoy it for months to come, or - you'll switch racquets in a couple of weeks and start a new club. Either way is fine by me. I enjoy reading your posts and the discussions they encourage regarding so many different racquets; many that I have used or otherwise interested in hearing about. No need to project your feelings (racquet insecurities?) on me, though.:wink:

    Regarding my pro's opinion - I/he didn't proclaim any racquet "better"(though if pressed to do so, I would choose the X295 for its superior variety and stability). At the time my pro tried both racquets, I was not at all committed to the X295 and was fully expecting (and wanting, honestly) to like the X8. His observation, limited to the stability of the two racquets, was germane to the discussion in this thread. If you thought it was meaningless - that's fine, but I suppose you could have expressed it more cordially.
     
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  37. rovision

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    Jack, somebody tells me that since you like OX8 so much, you really need a fourth one! ;) Especially in great shape and at a special discount for you... check the FS.
     
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    No need for a 4th one!!! Go Away!!! ;)

    Seriously, 3 is plenty for me...2 for matches, set up identical and 1 for practice/wet weather. The 4th would be for swatting mosquitoes.
     
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    Did you buy all 3 from the forum members or buy them new?
     
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    Excuse me if I'm a little "sensitive" about a racquet I just committed to :)
    You know I am all for discussing racquets and hearing about what people like and don't like. I just thought your comment was made to try and get a rise out of me and to somehow exclaim yours is better.

    As far as the 295 having "superior variety and stability", I can possibly give you the "variety" nod, although there is nothing I can't do with the X8....baselining, droppers, touch shots, slices, etc, so I am not sure how it is better for "variety", by OK I'll give you that one. But as far as "stability" goes...no way. The X8 is solid as a rock and it's higher swingweight (330 to 315) PLUS it's higher static weight (11.4oz to 11 oz) PLUS it's larger headsize (100 to 98) all combine for more plowthrough and more mass behind the ball and also less instability or put another way "more solid feeling". There were so many comments from the TW reviewers regarding the 295's instability and getting "pushed around" by heavier balls. To me, I found the X8 way more solid feeling, so I have to disagree with your instructor's assessment completely.
     
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  41. rovision

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    No, really, you need a fourth one for balance! Two on each side of your 6-stick bag. :)
     
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    good point! :)
     
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    Jack any news about your IG 300. I really would like to hear what you have to say about it.
     
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    I have a new one here that I have to string up. Just been enjoying the x8 some much that I am afraid to try it :). Sometime soon though!
     
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    Where do you get all of your icon photos???
     
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    From the TW photos of the racquet. I just copy and paste a piece of the pi I like and shrink it down to 80x80
     
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    +1

    Of all the racquets Ive demod, its very high on the list. Surprising power, excellent spin and although meaningless- good looking too.

    Im having a really hard time figuring out which racquet to go with. Positives and negatives with each thus far.
    I need the grip shape and feel of the x10, the power level of the Speed MP 300, the serve/spin of the EXO3 Tour Team and the drop dead good looks of the IG Instinct MP :twisted:
    I could live with an x10 if i could squeeze a little more power out of it. (I have a more medium/moderate swing that a very full/fast). I'd like to try one of these x8's as they should provide more power, and the grip shape/feel I want...problem is, that swing weight might be a bit high :-|
    Although I did enjoy the BLX Blade 98... Jack have you played that one? Any comparison you could make ?

    Thanks. I always enjoy reading your reviews.


    PS- The demo of the MP 300 that I hit came strung as follows (and I thought it was very good)

    head sonic pro 16g at mid tension on mains
    and head fxp 16g on the crosses at mid tension
     
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  48. cayzi

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    JackB1: Can you please compare X8 vs IG 315 (16x19).

    What I notice on my IG 300 is that for full power you need really swing fast if you want play from base line. True there is a lot of control, serve is just great compare to my (old) TF 295.

    Today I tried Babolat AeroPro Team GT and what I notice is that racket is more forgiving regarding perfect swing and speed and more powered than IG 300. I did not notice stiffness compare to my IG 300 so I would say that they are close. So when playing with Babolat my arm was happy for a while because I need to use less power and speed to push ball around the court.

    Also I notice that Babolat have a lot less control and for me worse serving compare to IG 300. Also if you did not use perfect spin technique the racket performed not so good and nothing special. I guess this is spin machine designed racket.

    So JackB1 if my findings are correct please let me know how X8 compare to your Speed.

    Also today I notice that IG 300 is enough for me regarding weight. I had 4 hours tennis today and probably I would not handle more weight. I do not know what would happen if I would have more SW.

    I know that this is wrong topic but just for your information I am attending to try something like this in near future. Still looking for "my racket":

    Head YOUTEK IG Instinct
    Babolat Pure Drive GT
    Prince EXO3 Tour Team 100
    Prince EXO3 White
    Volkl Organix 8
    Dunlop Biomimetic 500 Tour

    Thanks JackB1.
     
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    captainobvious I have a feeling thaat we are looking for something similar here :)
     
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    You should check out the Babolat Pure Storm Team GT and the Head IG Instinct MP. Both have good spin and closer to medium power. The PSTGT has a thinner beam and both look quite good in my opinion.

    What string setup do you have on the Speed MP 300 cayzi ?
    My demo came strung with the specs I posted above for Jack. It had more power than I thought it would and was very comfortable.
     
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