P90X modified for tennis season (my round 2)

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  1. tennis34

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    I'm proud to say that I did finish all 90 days of P90X program! It was a great experience, and it made me feel really energized when I walk out on the tennis court.

    Now, I'm preparing to do it all over again, and since it's summer, it will be easier to incorporate tennis into it.

    Results from the first time around

    1) I lost 10 pounds. (Down to 192 from 202).
    2) My shoulders, chest and arms are better defined.
    3) I never had so much energy, and I'm in the best shape of my life. I can spend 2 intense hours on the tennis court and still feel like i have some energy left. Plyometrics dvd gets the most credits for it.

    Lessons learned from Round 1

    1) I need to eat better this time around to gain more muscle mass. I bought protein shakes, and cut down on carbs (bread) and eating more meat/fish. Definitely eating more vegetables and fruits too.

    2) I wanted to get better abs definition the first time around, but it's just not showing up. I gave up all mochas and fatty food. Replacing all my sugar cravings with fruit.

    3) I'm doing more Yoga this time around. I was too lenient on myself first time around, and I'd skip it a lot.

    My Modifications

    I modified P90X schedule to incorporate tennis instead of all P90X cardio dvds. It's summer, and I play tennis 4-5 times a week :)

    The challenge is to find time to do all P90X stuff in addition to tennis, work and sleep. So, instead of having a set day for each dvd, I will have a list of workouts to do every week. For example, if I have to carry over the Ab Ripper to the next day, so be it. Or, I can always work in 30 minutes of Yoga as the warm up before tennis...

    Weeks 1,2,3,9, 11

    Chest & Back

    Yoga X

    Shoulders & Arms

    Back & Biceps

    3 times Abs Ripper X

    4 times Tennis

    Weeks 5, 6, 7, 10, 12

    Chest, Shoulders, Triceps

    Yoga X

    Back & Biceps

    Shoulders & Arms

    3 times Ab Ripper X

    4 times Tennis


    Recovery Weeks 4,8,13

    2 times Yoga X

    2 times Core Synergistics

    3 times AbRipper X

    4 times Tennis
     
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  2. charliefedererer

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    It's great to have a plan. It sounds like you have put a lot of thought into this program.

    Just don't be afraid of "listening to your body" and modifying it as time goes along.

    Welcome to Talk Tennis.

    Good luck!
     
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    Thanks! I will keep posting updates on this thread as I progress. I'm in week 2 now, and so far so good.
     
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    I should probably state my stats/background:
    34 y/o
    6'3" height
    191 pound (as of today)

    Fitness level: I played basketball and soccer my whole life (on average 3 times a week). I've never before did a serious workout program similar to P90X. First time around was really tough. Second time around is easier because I know the routines, but it might be time to increase some of the weights. Right now, I do most of the exercises with 20 pound dumbbells.

    I started playing tennis about 3 years ago. I never played in my life before. Right now I'm a solid 3.5 (maybe even a 4.0 player). I play about 4 times a week in the summer.
     
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  5. JGads

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    I'm into my second month of 'Insanity'. Such a great tennis workout, because it's 80 percent leg work that, for me, has completely built up my strength where I'd long neglected. But that really good diet is a must to keep your energy levels up; otherwise you completely drain yourself. Tennis34, have you done that recovery shake (either 'shakeology' or 'results and recovery' formula) they recommend? If so, your thoughts on it?
     
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    I also started with P90X, never got through the whole 90 days, but did restart multiple times. I usually got 1 month in and started to lose interest.

    Then I discovered Insanity. It is a lot harder. I actually have to push myself extremely hard through most of it. Just like with P90X I started skipping. The first time I made it to day 40 (out of 63) And now Im 2 weeks into my second attempt to make it through the full course.

    I went back and tried some P90X after and it was way too boring and easy. I couldnt wait for the pace to increase. It seemed like everything was being done too casually in P90X after I had experienced Insanity.

    So I guess what Im trying to say is: If P90X gets boring, definitely try Insanity to get even more out of your workouts!
     
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  7. JGads

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    ^^^
    Good to hear, in a way, as I was considering P90X as a follow up to Insanity. I thought it was actually a tougher workout. Best part about Insanity is the simplicity (no weights/bands) and the timing (just 40, 45 mins a day). Loving it.
     
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  8. dak95_00

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    I finished P90x a month or so back and moved on to Insanity. I miss the weights of P90x. I'm in my 3rd week of Insanity and it is a sweat factory. I fill up a shirt and have sweat pouring off of my body while doing it. It has killed my tennis game but I know it will eventually help it. My legs are just getting used to it and my game is improving but the first two weeks were tough.

    This week, I started doing P90x weight workouts in the evening since I'm doing Insanity in the morning. Here is my modification:

    Insanity in the am M-F.
    M=Chest & Back + Ab Ripper
    T=Tennis
    W=Tennis
    R=Arms & Shoulders + Ab Ripper
    F or Sat=Back
    Sun=Rest

    I will do the other workouts at a similar interval when I get to week 5 of P90x and probably skip all P90x workouts during the rest weeks. I just really miss the weight workouts and the muscle mass that I gained by doing these workouts. They (P90x) are so layed back compared to Insanity but they also work very, very good w/ less chance of injury. I will also be skipping all ab workouts associated w/ Insanity as I feel P90x's ab ripper workout is safer as it assures better form w/ less of a chance of my body breaking down because of improper form caused by fatigue.

    I should also say that I'm playing tennis in the am on Saturday & Sunday. My background is:
    39 years old, 5'9" 170lbs (160 before P90x), distance runner prior to doing these workouts (completed 1/2 marathon at 8min/mile pace in fall), wanted some explosiveness (got it), and now I want a six pack (not yet; better diet should do it!)
     
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  9. tennis34

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    JGads,
    I haven't tried Shakeology...I bought a protein shake from Sam's Club which has 190 calories and 30g of protein in a serving instead. I didn't do any protein shakes in my Round 1, which was a big mistake. Shakeology looks good though, but it is really pricey (it comes down to about $4 a shake).

    To reply about all Insanity comments....Insanity is definitely on my "to-do" list. I am planning to do it in the winter when the tennis season winds down.

    dak95_00,
    your program looks really intense! Are you seeing more results from this hybrid of P90X/Insanity?
     
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    I'm only 3 weeks into Insanity. It is tough and I am sore. I have good days and bad days and I depend on my legs to drive my tennis shots and it is hurting my tennis right now. However, I'm looking good for me. I've never had a 6 pack and I'm still not there but I can see it coming. I'm as close as I've ever been. I'm going to really work on my eating here in the next few weeks. I've already returned from the grocery w/ better choices; the foods I eat when I'm training for distance running, etc.

    I'm certain it will all pay off in the end. I can say that when I was only 5 weeks into P90x that my legs and energy level felt as though I was 10-15 years younger and it was evident when I played basketball against guys who I'd played with in the past and are 10-15 years younger than I am i.e. I kept up better and outplayed them in some cases where I'd never done that before.

    I also think it will be one of those things that it'll take me longer to notice than it will for people around me to notice. For example, I'm going to visit my brother in a couple of weeks. I haven't seen him since last summer. He'll notice more changes than I have noticed because I saw it happen gradually. He'll just notice that I'm bigger/stronger/more defined through the upper body and also in the lower body. I just have to get that midsection there. It's almost there. I'm not embarrased to walk around at the pool.

    Time to do Arms & Shoulders (11:37pm)!
     
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    Impressive effort! I'll definitely give Insanity a shot somewhere in November when they take off the nets from tennis courts :)
     
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    Great stuff. I been ding P90x for 1 year now and love the results. I worked out for 25 yr and never got it right until P90x.

    I do everything except for the back & biceps (no pull-ups or chair dips since those really hurt my shoulders & had to see a doc).
    After cutting those two out, I am back at 110% & leaner. a six pack & I always ate healthy so diet was not modified much. Just eating smart.

    6, 1 3/4 inch
    205 (was 215), trying to get back to 195-ish

    Monday - Core Synergistics + Abs Ripper X
    Tuesday - Plyometrics
    Wednesday - Shoulders & Arms + Abs Ripper X
    Thursday - Yoga X (or Tennis)
    Friday - Legs + Abs Ripper X (or Tennis)
    Saturday - Tennis and/or Cardio X
    Sunday - Tennis


    I hated Yoga but now I look forward to it since the type he does actually sculpts your body.
     
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  13. tennis34

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    I'm glad to see that other people are modifying too. A lot of advice out there is not to deviate from the program, but as Tony said: "Do your best and forget the rest". To me, this translates to: "Feel free to modify as long as it makes sense".
     
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    remember if you are goin to modify just dont do too much activity cause injuries can occur from too much workout.... YOU DO NEED TIME TO RECOVER FROM SO MUCH ACTIVITY!!!! I love both Insanity and P90x...I started with Insanity then went on to p90x after and had amazin tennis results...now i have moved on to CLX, another beach body program and love it...but with all of them I made sure to take sundays off to recover and on mon wed and fri hit the tennis courts after i did my workout in the morning or afternoon for about a 2.5 hr court workout!!!
    if you do follow the programs and put in the time with them your tennis game will go to higher levels!!!
     
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    If P90X is too easy, all you have to do is up the weights you use (except on the non-weight programs).

    After a few weeks of Insanity, I can do the whole program just fine, but I find singles tennis matches much harder. Maybe I run too fast for my own good.
     
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  16. JGads

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    Towards the end of the week, like now (Friday), I feel pretty drained after a week of Insanity and tennis. I know it's an investment, but with a league match tomorrow, I need my legs so I'll be taking today off and then possibly doing the workout after my match tomorrow.

    Heading into the second month (I'm doing the 'recovery week' workouts now) I've got that Shakeology stuff on order to try and up my energy levels with some extra nutrition. I take a protein shake to recover after the workout, but feel like I something extra, especially now heading into the grueling second month.
     
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    when I do insanity and have a tennis match, I do the cardio recovery on the morning of my match. Helps gets my legs loose from all the hard workouts and keeps my fresh for the evening match.
     
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    I did Insanity too but felt it was too much cardio and don't see myself keeping that kind of cardio routine up weekly. I wanted to build some muscle, lose some body fat at a no-so intense rate. P90x does that. I don't everything in the videos. Plus I don't want to bulk up, I just want to strengthen my abs, shoulder, legs, and back as well as become quicker.

    I'll admit. Sundays are usually my off day, and Wednesday may involve tennis vs. working shoulders and arms.
    Tony's run around the towel routine, I substitute for that skipping,cross-step, twist thing the pros do. It is simply cross-training for me. Those periodic back or shoulder problems are gone (fingers crossed)
     
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  19. JGads

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    That's a good idea, as that's a great little workout that still gets you going just enough without cooking you. I will admit that I LOVE how free and loose Insanity workouts make me feel for my tennis if I do them before I hit the courts; I'm a notorious slow starter and I play so much better early on when I have an Insanity workout behind me. But then if I end up getting into a third set, that's where the legs start to go.

    Guess it's always about finding just the right balance, but all in all, I just love Insanity. My legs, once a weakness that led to some knee injuries here and there, are becoming a strength.
     
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    congrats on being able to finish
    **** is hard
     
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    Exactly the same thing I do!

    I also agree w/ the rest day post! I try even though I'm doubling up on certain workouts. Right now, I'm only doing Insanity M-F. I play a league tennis match on Wednesday nights so I've talked the people I workout with to flip/flop Wednesday & Thrursday workouts so we are doing the recovery day on Wednesday. I learned the first week that going hard in the morning wasn't a good idea. I got cramps in my legs at the end of set 1 in a 90 degree/80% humdity day of a 3 set match. It wasn't pretty. Technically, I won but it wasn't worth it!

    This week, I did the Cardio Recovery (7:30am) workout took a shower, played two sets (11am), and then played my match (6pm) w/o any problems. My 11am opponent pushed me harder than my 6pm opponent did and it still wasn't a good idea to do that much. My tennis suffered but I said "screw it! I'm gonna give it a try. What's the worst thing that couldd happen to me?"

    I've already suffered from most overuse injuries in my life. I've had plantar fasciatis and survived/recovered; no orthotics for the fist time in 4 years!. I've had ITBS and recovered. Right now, my right hip is sore. I'll probably suck it up and take an ice bath and roll all of the soft tissue that I can to get that deep massage.
     
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    Dak 95,
    how did you recover from plantar fasciatis? I got it over a year ago, and it got really bad. I tried everything (night splints, shoes inserts)...but what really helped was stretching of the calf. Once I started doing P90X Yoga, the pain in the mornings went down from 8/10 to 2/10. Some mornings I don't even notice it.

    JGads,
    I'm a slow starter too, so I like to do either Yoga or Ab Ripper X right before I leave for tennis courts. It wakes me up and I'm ready to go from the first point.
     
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    And today I'm starting week 3 of my round 2. So far, so good! I give myself an A- for overall effort. I'm eating much better, but once in a while i surrender to temptation and eat something bad such as chocolate...But, I am doing much better with other food cravings.
     
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    Stretching!

    I had the night splints, cortisone shots, etc. and they didn't work. I did get custom orthotics which definitely helped relieve the pain. I can't emphasize the fact of custom over the stuff purchased off of the shelf. They're not even close! I got my custom from a chiropracter for my co-pay and also received a massage from the therapist. My appointments went like this: fitted for custom orthotics, back adjustment, 30 minute massage. I could do w/o the back adjustment!

    I'd agree w/ you that the YOGA X really helps! Do the stretch I commented about that the guy found on Youtube. Pull hard at your toes and hold! You'll be 100% in no time. I don't wear orthotics any longer. I first got PF as a result of improper stretching afterrunning and training for a marathon. I didn't even know what it was until it came back and then didn't go away.....for close to 5 years!

    Time to do chest & back!
     
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    I just started the 'official' month 2 of Insanity today (last week was the 'recovery week' workouts in between the two months).

    What. The. Hell.

    It went from like 90 to 200 in terms of difficulty and intensity. I was not prepared for that kind of a leap. Also didn't help that they pair two workouts - the fit test and the max interval back to back on you.

    Then I had a tennis match with a buddy of mine tonight and my legs, well, they didn't come with me to the courts. Month 1 was difficult enough balancing this and tennis, but manageable. I have no idea what I'm going to do about this Month 2 plus two leagues that I'm now in.
     
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    JGads

    I popped in a max video just to see the length. It appears to be an additional 20 minutes which means twice the series? Is that about it? I'm not looking forward to it.

    I'm in week 4 but we keep skipping the Saturday workouts. Next week, instead of doing the recovery week we are going to do the Saturdays in its place. Then I am going on vacation so that'll be my off week.

    I don't know if I could do twice the workout right now either physically or mentally. I'll report back in a few weeks. We've talked about just repeating the first 4 weeks as some of my workout partners are pressed for time.
     
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    I had a feeling that Insanity wouldn't work well with tennis....I'm definitely saving it for November/December time-frame when I play tennis only once or twice a week. I play 4-5 times a week in the summer.
     
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    Actually was talking more about the intensity of the workout. It kicks up hugely, at times to an almost comical level. Though that first Monday that I posted that previous comment it was in fact double the workout, because on that Monday they ask that you do both the Fit Test, which is a full workout in and of itself, along with the Max Interval Circuit, which is just out of control. I'm now three days into these new workouts and each day has been pretty much the same -- far more intense workouts that I just can't keep up with fully (have to take a break toward the tail end of a few of the workouts), though I'm at about 90 percent of what they're doing so I'm still pushing through. I hope to be more like 95 percent by the second week of the crazy stuff.

    By the way, started the Shakeology shake once a day in addition to the post-workout protein shake and I can say that the Shakeology stuff is pretty great. I really do notice a difference in my energy level; not quite as wiped out as I was beforehand. Basically, the second month there is no messing around. I think the only way to really do it effectively is to do the five meals a day and supplement where you can to keep the energy levels high enough. Especially if you're mixing in tennis, which I'm doing 3-5 times per week.

    Anyway, it's really tough but that's what I was hoping for.
     
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    Jgads,
    how does Shakeology taste? And how much did you end up paying for it?
     
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    Darn it JGads!

    I had myself talked out of doing the 2nd month and just repeating the first month again. Now, I feel I need to try the 2nd month.

    BTW, how old are you? I'm in week 4 and I feel drained. Last week, I felt great. I think I'm just going to have up and down weeks of energy levels. I realy struggled today w/ the Plyometric workout. I'm drained. On a side note, I played great tennis last night and beat a guy who beat me a couple of weeks ago 6-2, 6-1. Last night, it was 6-3, 3-0 and he quit after I ran off 6 straight games. I was hitting the ball so hard on both wings and on my serve that he felt he had to go for winners to just to get a point. It wasn't working out for him; a former college player 13 years younger than me!
     
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  31. JGads

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    Re: Shakeology, I have the chocolate flavor. I like it. It's not as good as the chocolate protein powder I have and certainly isn't like chocolate milk or a milkshake - not THAT kind of good - but it's not bad at all. I hear the green berry one they have is a flavor a lot of people do not like.

    Dak: feeling drained at times is just something that happens with this kind of intensity, I think, but the nutritious and vitamin supplements are very, very helpful. I'm now doing the Shakeology once a day, a protein shake/banana after the workout to recover and then three balanced meals the rest of the day, maybe a fourth if it's small. Aside from the Shakeology, I also take this Ultra Greens Mens supplement I got from GNC once a day. Key is to mix in many grains and to not be afraid of carbs. With tennis and Insanity, they're a must. So I'm making myself chicken wraps in a wheat tortilla, some whole grain wheat pasta, those kinds of things, along with bananas to keep me from cramping when I hit the tennis court. ... And I'm 30... Oh yeah, and I definitely felt the most drained at that fourth week, like you're now at, which is when I started really focusing on good diet. Not a fanatic about it, just careful and making that extra effort to eat the five smaller meals throughout, and mixing in the shakes/supplements. Another thing: that "recovery week" video (core cardio and balance, I believe it's called) is a fantastic workout to bridge the first and second months. A full week of it, along with the new diet, rejuvenated me a bit.

    Three weeks and change to go...
     
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    Thx, I'll have to try it eventually. I went to Costco yesterday, and bought a case of Muscle Milk (20g protein/shake) and this other protein shake that i used before which has 30g protein/shake.

    As a side note, my favorite player Novak Djokovic became new #1 in the world! It was a great match with Tsonga, I took a vacation day just to watch it :)
     
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    Just a quick update....I'm in my first recovery week (week 4), and my modified program is giving some really good results.
     
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    anyone try Supreme 90 day workout? It is suppose to be a p90x rip off, but it is a fraction of the cost. 10 Dvds + nutrition plan at the cost of $20!:shock: It uses the same buzz words "muscle confusion", ect. Only a small number of reviews around but they all seem positive- especially about the price!
     
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    It's probably not a bad idea even if you have the full set of P90X, variety being the spice of life.

    When you get tired of seeing Tony and Dreya, watch some new faces!
     
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    If it's a workout and gets you to do a variety or excercises for an hour at a time for 90 days, it WILL work.

    I'll look it up. I might have to bail on Insanity at the 1/2 point. I don't wear a heart rate monitor but instead go by feeeling and I am very, VERY easily agitated lately. Typing this is getting me pissed off!

    Besides, I can get a daily tennis game in at 7am or start training for another 1/2 marathon which I think I'll find more fun for the time being. I hate feeling like a failure for quitting but overtraining can be the only reason for my agitation lately.
     
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    Well I went ahead and ordered it. Heck it comes out to only $2 a DVD. Not too much risk. All you need are dumbells and a stability ball. The stability ball workouts are a little different than P90x. Buy it directly off their website- Amazon charges $10 more. Even if it doesn't have all the pizzazz of P90x I watched some promotional vids and it doesn't look half bad.
     
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  38. scotus

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    Let us know how it goes.

    Besides safe and effective workout routines, it helps tremendously if the trainer on video has good, endearing personality.

    Whatever motivates people to come back for more....
     
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    Just a quick update, I started Week 6 and it's still going great :) I'm down to 185 pounds (from around 204 from the beginning of the year). I probably need to stop losing weight at this point, and start eating more protein....
     
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    I am very happy with my Week 6. I did all workouts, and added 2 Ab Ripper workouts to the schedule. Also, I increased weight to 25 pounds to some of the arm and shoulders workouts.

    Nutrition wise, this was a good week. I ate out a couple times, but I didn't eat too badly. I bought Muscle Milk whey protein powder, and I drink twice a day (27g protein per serving). It tastes much better than other stuff that I tried so far. I mix it with milk, even though it doesn't taste bad mixed with water either.
     
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  41. OldButGame

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    Wow!!...The reviews on this system are really positive!!!!...and at a great cost!!!...:shock:
     
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    A quick update:
    I started Week 8. It's supposed to be a recovery week, but I'll just continue doing Phase 2 workouts. I'm noticing better results than the first time around, and it has to do with two things: A) eating better and eating more protein B) I increased weights to 25 lb (per dumbbell).

    I am still looking into Rushfit, and it seems like a fun thing to do for a week or two, but not sure if I would commit to it for full 8 weeks. I'll definitely do a week of it after I'm done with the second round of P90X (September 11, but I might take a week off, so it will be September 18th when I start).
     
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    I'll be curious to hear what You think about 'Rushfit',...
     
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  46. PandaKing

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    Good luck with that. You could just get that all for free by just working out smart. What a shame falling for that scam.
     
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    So you are suggesting that all of this is just common knowledge? I'd have to mightily disagree with you. What's wrong w/ purchasing a video series of workouts. It's like having a personal trainer right there w/ you for constant encouragement in your home.

    It would be like me saying everyone should save their money and not take golf or tennis lessons because they could just train "smart." If it works and it helps you w/ personal improvement, it is not a scam! A scam is something that takes your money and doesn't work.

    Maybe you should give P90X a try. I bet you'd get better results by following the program than you get by doing your current workout.

    Finally, if you don't have anything useful to add to the conversation, don't come on here and spam what has been a useful and motivational thread for some of us. I find it nothing more than disrespectful and rude.
     
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  48. pepka

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    I'll be starting P90X in September. Im in the worst shape of my life due to all kind of injuries but September start is a MUST... after that i'll do the Insanity. Hope to be ready for some serious tennis after the winter ;)
     
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  49. PandaKing

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    Actually, No. Most of that stuff is COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Go to a gym and pick up some weights. Its that easy. And their is no way that I would get a better workout anyway. You guys are just wasting your money when you can just look online on techniques. The continual repetitions of what he does burns more muscles than it creates. Using that many reps ruins the body when you havent worked out in a long time. Plus, it isn't spam when its better to not waste your money on that program. It is informational of what I have said. Free youtube videos + sites vs expensive videos. Even if they didn't go through all the muscle groups and focused on a main 10. It shouldn't matter to you guys should it.
     
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  50. PandaKing

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    If you had the real intention of getting stronger that is. Than you wouldn't need a bs "trainer" to help you out in the first place. "One that does not seek knowledge itself, cannot be taught by others."
     
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