Pac-12 might as well be the Pac-2 when it comes to men's tennis.

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  1. SoCal10s

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    ''Pac-12 might as well be the Pac-2 when it comes to men's tennis''
    original post by ''automator'' got me wondering .. why are so many players staying in SoCal rather than going to Stanford or Cal ? next year ..
    .going to UCLA ..
    Gage Brymer Irvine CA
    Joseph DiGiulio Newport Beach CA
    M. Mackenzie McDonald Piedmont CA
    Michael Guzman Napa CA

    and USC
    Robbie Bellamy Pacific Palisades CA
    Connor Farren Redwood City CA

    I doubt if these guys will get any serious playing time.. why are they still committed to still go ? especially those from NorCal .. Guzman,Farren and McDonald .. if they chose to Stanford instead or Cal ,the Pac-12 would be somewhat interesting again..
     
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    There will be playing time in their second years onward at UCLA and USC. The UCLA guys will be competitive with Karue Sell at the bottom of the lineup in their first year. Alex Brigham will leave a doubles spot open in their first year, also.
     
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    But I thought the PAC-10 was so much better than the SEC? Is that not the case now?
     
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    Stanford's dynamics as a team began suffering years ago. They may have been a good team ranking wise, but functionally they have been more like individuals playing tennis to more a degree than is healthy for a team. And Cal is an environment you have to want to be part of, especially these days, it is not for everyone. That is more of a statement about the school itself, not the tennis team. Then of course there's Peter Smith and the fact that UCLA is UCLA.
     
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    Harvard with sports (Stanford) will regroup this year and get better and better as time goes on.
     
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    I'd pick Harvard over Stanford in men's tennis this year and next. Ha ha.
     
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    oh man I didn't know I was going to UCLA.. I have the same name as the kid from Napa!!

    Anyhow I work at USC and I catch both men's and women's tennis matches from time to time. I was able to watch the doubles a couple weeks ago between UCLA and USC..From where I was seated I was able to watch 2 double matches closely..
    the impressive ones to me were Sarmiento, Giron, Novikov and Brigam (he had some nice serve n volley tactics)...
     
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    What do you mean by that? Seriously. I visisted Berkeley for the first time maybe 3 years ago, now that my sister lives in the Bay Area. I always go see some friends in Oakland and spend some time in Berkeley when ever I visit the area. Seems like a perfectly nice place.
     
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    this is not only a UCLA and USC thing .. I see Duke's and Virginia's bench also loaded with really top talents .. why aren't these guys transferring to a D1 college where they could be starters ?
     
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    Same reason why you rarely see other Blue Chips and 5 stars at Mid-Major or up and coming/improving programs. Because tennis players gravitate to the biggest and best univeristy they think they can play at. If coaches can overload their rosters with Blue Chips and 5 stars to keep them from competing against them when they can they will. Mistakes by tennis players choosing programs over their head happens all the time.
     
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    While others are smart enough to go to a JUCO for 1-2 yrs and improve their game and get an offer to a bigger school then. ;)
     
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    I could make the same statement about every university, Stanford too, it wasn't meant as a slam. Academics, stats on the university, environment, not everyone fits every school and we were specifically discussing Cal and Stanford.
     
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    ^^^Working your way up the ladder at top 20 programs is the exception not the norm. If you can't come in and start as a freshmen, that's not a position that's going to change much over the 4 yrears. More players come in the next year and so on.
     
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    treeman10 ... come on be realistic... if you're on the bench and you're not top 6 by college age you are not going pro... those odds are less than winning the LOTTO...
     
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    not sure why stanford doesn't get the recruits. Did they get a new coach cause for the last 40 years stanford has probably put out more money making pros than any school (a lot of those stanford guys seem to make a decent living a doubles or mixed) which is a pretty smart way of using their skill set.
     
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    They've trended down since the coaching change.
     
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    I know you didn't mean it as a slam, I was just wondering if you were referring to something specific that would be a negative to most people. By "environment" I honestly didn't know if you meant the general vibe of Cal and the surrounding area (and as you rightly said, every place is going to be liked by some, disliked by others), or if you were talking about something specifically negative like problems with the team, in the athletic department, or in the university as a whole.
     
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    ^^^ I can't say what ''treeman'' was referring to but, maybe ... I used go to Berkeley area in the years past and it's what we would say ''very liberal '' .. it's not for everyone but I enjoy it...
     
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    SoCal is just where it's at...
     
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    What is the Cal environment like?
     
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    This thread is absolutely ridiculous. It insinuates that a team only matter if they can contend for the national championship. If that is the case then why isn't the NCAA just called the "Big 3" this year? Throw everyone else out.
     
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    Calm down. It just so happens this year that two of the best teams in the country are the only ones capable of winning the Pac 2. It could be different in coming years.

    Take for instance, Illinois last year. I never thought they were national contenders in 2012, but they are always dangerous in conference. They go into the Big 10 title match last year and knock off the Buckeyes 4-3.
     
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    just want to repeat ... San Diego State ....
     
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    Two Easter Bowl champs on the same team, oh yeah!
     
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    so who do you think they will replace in next year UCLA line-up? maybe Sell ?
     
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    Okay, according to this thread title, the "PAC-2" regular season winner will be decided today. Predictions? I think UCLA wins this one 4-3 or even 5-2...
     
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    UCLA 'bearly' got by the Waves ...
    ... if the 2 USC cousins show up with their 'A' game,USC will run away with it ... they both lost the last time USC vs UCLA.. they looked somewhat sluggish after the Davis cup outing though..

    Ray S. and Yannick H. have been playing real steady tennis.. they won't lose today ..

    Eric J. has been a real workhorse and Jonny W. at #6 is a dark horse.

    If USC can flip-flop their lineup .. now that should be fun ..
     
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    First meeting in two months. Should be a great one.
     
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    what a total beatdown .. USC should have stayed in bed .. 4-3 but those scores are really lopsided ...
     
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    Pac 12 Tournament

    Draw is out. UCLA and USC get byes into the semis. Cal is the 3 seed and Stanford the 4.

    1st Round Matches - Wednesday:
    Washington (5) vs. Arizona (8 )
    Utah (6) vs. Oregon (7)

    2nd Round Matches - Thursday:
    Cal (3) vs. Utah/Oregon winner
    Stanford (4) vs. Washington (5)

    Semifinals - Friday
    Cal vs. USC
    Stanford/UW vs. UCLA

    Finals - Saturday
    USC vs. UCLA
     
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    does this Ojai tournament decides who's the Pac !2 champion ? what's the purpose of this tournament ?
     
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    UCLA is already the pac-12 champion by virtue of beating USC last weekend. Ojai is the pac-12 tournament which only determines the conferences automatic bid to ncaa's. it gives other teams who didn't win the conference title another chance at qualifying for ncaa's essentially.
     
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  36. mikej

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    Uh, no

    The conference has one auto bid that goes to the conference champion - which in conferences with a final tournie is decided at that time

    Sure, UCLA has the regular season title, which if you ask me is probably more meaningful, but not the ultimate title that is linked to the bid - the winner of this tournie can accurately call themselves 2013 PAC-12 champion with no qualifications

    It's not "another chance" for an auto bid - it's the only one - though UCLA, USC, Cal need not worry regardless due to their rankings

    Unless tennis is way different than basketball and there are two different champions who are officially recognized with auto bids, in which case someone tell me to sit down and shut up
     
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    Uh, no, UCLA is the 2013 Pac-12 champion regardless. Look at the 2012 Pac-12 championship trophy and the pac-12 website. UCLA's name is on it even though they lost to USC in the Ojai final. The Ojai is the postseason tournament that determines automatic bid, thats all.
     
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    The regular season champion in the Pac-12 is always guaranteed an at large spot in the tournament because of ranking, though they don't get the auto bid you are correct on that, however the "Pac-12 champion" this season is still UCLA regardless.
     
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    fair enough on your response, i see the website lists ucla as champions last year and right beside that usc as tournie champs

    so only half of your statement was incorrect (the above where you imply that the regular season champ gets an auto bid and teams that don't pull off this feat have another chance at an auto bid) and i shouldn't have been so dismissive

    in basketball i know there are many years you'll see both Duke and UNC fans walking around with "ACC champions '0x" shirts due to split regular season and tournie titles

    http://www.usctrojans.com/sports/m-tennis/recaps/042812aaa.html - USC got a nice trophie last year also and i'm sure considered themselves the conference champs

    like in tennis, only one of these two champions gets the conference champ tie-in to NCAAs, though kind of not worth distinguishing since in such a case both would always get in anyway

    yeah, should have let your post go earlier, my response was just as dubious as your initial statement it seems, shades of grey, my bad
     
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    poor wording in my first post, together we have come to the correct conclusion and thats all that matters.
     
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    Look for the Bears to make a run.
     
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    uh, no :)

    (though i should have learned my lesson about being dismissive today, i feel pretty confident about this one!)
     
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    With USC in Cal's way, only way is if Gomez from USC is still hurt from last weekend retiring down 0-6, 0-2 to ucla. If gomez can't go and de vroome is still on the shelf with his wrist, it could get interesting if cal can win the doubles point but any other scenario and its hard to see cal getting by USC. Even if gomez and de vroome can't go, they bring in wang and grant, both ranked players, wang having beaten ucla's 6 in straight sets last weekend.

    if Cal does somehow get by SC, beating ucla seems a monumental task considering they are completely healthy and won't have their boisterous fans out at libbey park. either way we'll probably see Cal hosting ncaa regionals and have a decent shot at making the final site.
     
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    Washington gives Arizona a beatdown in the 1st match. Only dropped 5 games at 1, 2, and 3 singles.

    Pac-12 Championships First Round
    April 24, 2013 - Ojai, Calif.

    No. 33 Washington 4, Arizona 0

    Doubles
    1. Bots/McMorrow def. Ask/Shinde, 8-3.
    2. Hawke/Manthou vs. Thompson/Urquidi, 7-7 (unf.).
    3. Barnhart/Egger def. Dunn/Takeda, 8-5.
    Order of finish: 1,3.
    Singles
    1. No. 14 Kyle McMorrow def. Kieran Thompson, 6-1, 6-1.
    2. Marton Bots def. Fredrik Ask, 6-1, 6-1.
    3. Max Manthou def. Sumeet Shinde, 6-0, 6-1.
    4. Mario Urquidi led Emmett Egger, 7-6, 0-1.
    5. Naoki Takeda led Jeff Hawke, 7-6, 1-0.
    6. Nicholas Kamisar led Carlos Bermudez, 6-2, 4-3.
    Order of finish: 2,1,3.
     
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    Hamza moved up to 1 but he came up short.

    #6 Utah 4, #7 OREGON 3
    Doubles - 1, 2, 3
    (1) #67 Mullen/Cambier (ORE) def. Tasevac/Mamedov (UTAH) - 8-5
    (2) Willems/Hamza (UTAH) def. Rovello/Sardu (ORE) - 8-2
    (3) Lane/Medinilla (UTAH) def. Clissold/Massland (ORE) - 8-5
    Singles - 5, 2, 6, 4, 1, 3
    (1) Cambier (ORE) def. #107 Hamza (UTAH) - 4-6, 6-4, 6-0
    (2) Mamedov (UTAH) def. Mullen (ORE) - 6-4, 6-3
    (3) Medinilla (UTAH) def. Maasland (ORE) - 7-5, 3-6, 7-5
    (4) Rovello (ORE) def. Lane (UTAH) - 4-6, 6-1, 6-4
    (5) Sardu (ORE) def. Willems (UTAH) - 6-3, 6-2
    (6) Tasevac (UTAH) def. Randriamampandry (ORE) - 7-6, 7-5
     
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    Stanford beat Washington 4-2 so they move on to the semis against Ucla. Stanford is now off the bubble and will make the NCAAs.
     
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    that's been my guess too, but you sound very confident of this - you know off the top of your head where cutoff was for at large bids last yr? (sorry for being lazy and asking rather than researching - but if anyone knows this, it's you)
     
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    I think it was 44 or so. I figure they'll end up around 40.
     
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    gotcha, somewhere i had mid-to-high-30s in my mind, if cutoff is in 40s they're definitely good to go

    guess we'll get to hear feddie chirping for a few more weeks :)
     
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    Virginia Tech was the last at-large last year making it in ranked #45. Right now the cut-off is hovering around 46 but will drop lower if Drake doesn't win the Missouri Valley, VCU doesn't win the A10, and Pepperdine, San Diego, or BYU doesn't win the WCC. I can't see the cutoff being any lower than 43 and no higher than 46.
     
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