Pac-12 might as well be the Pac-2 when it comes to men's tennis.

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  1. mikej

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    Top notch info / analysis as usual - thanks man
     
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    UCLA will be running live stats for the Stanford match tomorrow and the USC match on Saturday so we won't have to follow twitter to find out results.
     
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    "This is a shocking loss," said head coach Matt Anger. "I really thought this is one we should have won and it is hard to take. We just didn't get the job done and I am as frustrated as I can remember ever being."

    Pac-12 Championships Second Round
    April 25, 2013 - Ojai, Calif.

    No. 41 Stanford 4, No. 33 Washington 2

    Doubles
    1. Bots/McMorrow def. No. 53 Lin/Morrissey, 8-5.
    2. Romanowicz/Stineman def. Hawke/Manthou, 8-3.
    3. Ho/Ball def. Barnhart/Egger, 8-6
    Order of finish: 1,2,3

    Singles
    1. No. 14 Kyle McMorrow led No. 46 John Morrissey, 4-6, 6-4, 5-2.
    2. Marton Bots def. No. 117 Nolan Paige, 3-6, 6-1, 6-2.
    3. Maciek Ramanowicz def. Max Manthou, 7-5, 7-5.
    4. Emmett Egger def. Robert Stineman, 7-5, 6-4.
    5. Daniel Ho def. Viktor Farkas, 6-3, 6-2.
    6. Trey Stroebel def. Nicholas Kamisar, 4-6, 6-2, 6-4.
    Order of finish: 5,2,4,6,3
     
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    Cal shutout Utah 4-0 - they took dubs and Konigsfeldt, Johnson, and Melton won at 2, 3, and 6.
     
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    UCLA up a double break at 2 & 3 dubs against Stanford
     
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    looks like no puget for UCLA

    won't matter in a joke match vs stanford, but will vs USC if he's not healthy by then
     
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    Absolute beatdown by UCLA even without Puget. Stanford sure didn't go out on a high note.
     
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    Short handed ucla with a very quick 4-0 beatdown of Stanford

    Dropped only nine games in the three completed singles matches, and novikov was just a game away from joining in the W column to make it 5-0
     
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    Haha you beat me to the "beatdown" call, nice work
     
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    Cal takes the doubles point against USC by taking 1 9-8 (6) and 3 8-6
     
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    Link to LiveStats or Twitter feed? Thanks.
     
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    Cal twitter
     
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    The boys showing big effort tonight. And some of you called me crazy
     
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    Perhaps they called you crazy for thinking that Cal could make a run at the NCAA Final Four, could upset USC in the PAC12 Final Four, and so on. No one said that Cal could not "make a big effort." That happens all the time in conference tourneys. Congrats on winning the doubles point.
     
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    Emilio Gomez wasn't in the lineup today for USC.
     
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    Was hoping to see more out of cal. Win doubles and USC doesn't play Gomez or de vroome and cal still doesn't register a point in singles. A poor performance from cal in my opinion.

    Here we go again with UCLA USC. It's the 4th meeting already this season. Can't see USC beating UCLA without Gomez and de vroome but you never know with these two teams. Going out on a limb and saying 4-3 UCLA.
     
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  17. SoCal10s

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    it's all about match ups and styles of play ...
     
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    Final Score

    Gomez did play doubles but not singles.

    USC 4, California 1
    April 26, 2013 - Ojai, Calif.

    DOUBLES
    (1) #32 Johnson/Konigsfeldt (CAL) def. #40 Hanfmann/Sarmiento (USC) 9-8
    (2) #44 Gomez/Quiroz (USC) vs. #66 Engstead/McLachlan (CAL) 6-6
    (3) Bayane/Melton (CAL) def. de Vroome/Johnson (USC) 8-6
    Order of finish: 3, 1

    SINGLES
    (1) #33 Ben McLachlan (CAL) led #17 Ray Sarmiento (USC) 6-4 5-6
    (2) #65 Yannick Hanfmann (USC) def. #82 Christoffer Konigsfeldt (CAL) 6-2, 6-4
    (3) #34 Roberto Quiroz (USC) def. #62 Campbell Johnson (CAL) 7-6, 6-2
    (4) #80 Eric Johnson (USC) def. Greg Bayane (CAL) 6-4, 6-4
    (5) #93 Jonny Wang (USC) def. Mads Engsted (CAL) 2-6, 6-0, 6-2
    (6) #94 Michael Grant (USC) led Chase Melton (CAL) 7-6 4-2
    Order of finish: 2, 4, 5, 3
     
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    Gomez in the doubles lineup while Puget is not.
     
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    Big loss if Puget is out. Might cost UCLA #1
     
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    USC gets the dubs point
     
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    Puget in singles lineup and Gomez is not. I'll take SC at 1, 3, 4 for the mild upset
     
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    Big chance for Hanfmann and Grant to step up.
     
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    Sounds like a recipe for disaster for USC. I was rooting for them, just so UVa could regain the #1 ranking, but yes for Puget and no for Gomez sounds like a dominant UCLA win in singles. I would dearly love to be wrong on that one, but I will not invest a lot in LiveStats watching with that kind of lineup. More likely to check LiveStats once an hour.

    EDIT: And don't forget that De Vroome has been limited to doubles only for a while due to a wrist problem. Two players who were quite healthy when UVa beat USC 4-2 at the indoors are now missing from singles. If UCLA cannot win tonight, they would have little chance against UVa.
     
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    Both Sarmiento and Hanfmann pick up 1st sets for USC at 1 and 2. Puget with a 1st set for UCLA at 3
     
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    Hanfmann taking it to Giron leading 6-4 3-0
     
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    Thompson serving for the match for UCLA
     
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    UCLA wins it 4-2
     
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    is there a live stream somewhere ? how are you watching this ?
     
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    Summary: UCLA has everyone healthy, including Puget who obviously was fine. USC has #2 and #5 missing, and UCLA wins 4-2 with the final looking like 4-3 if they played it out.

    Not impressed.
     
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    How do you analyze this result? Doubles went down similar to last week. Next, bottom 4 won considerably easy due to USC's lineup change. Top 2 have been ucla's vulnerable positions all season.
     
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    USC's 6-7-8 played 4-5-6. Against an opponent like UCLA, UVa, Ohio State, or Duke, that should be three points for the other team. That leaves UCLA needing only one more point, and they only got one more point: #3 Puget over #4 Quiroz.

    UCLA and USC each has depth, but if one is healthy and the other is not, there should not be much of a match. Picture if Gomez and De Vroome were healthy, and Giron and Clay Thompson were missing from the UCLA singles lineup (but available for doubles). That is analogous to tonight's match, with the shoe on the other foot. Do you think USC ekes out a 4-3 win? No way.
     
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    that Novikov is very impressive though. He almost beat Julien Benneteau, Federer killer.
     
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    That could just mean USC has a stronger 7 and 8. And in the end has no bearing on the top because UCLA has beat USC when the Trojans had their full line-up already this season.
     
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    It could be 4-3 the other way as well. UCLA could take doubles like USC did tonight. USC would win routinely at 4-6 with Tabatruong and Brigham in there, like UCLA did tonight. Novikov could beat Sarmiento and Puget could beat Gomez at 2 like Hanfmann beat Giron tonight. Not a crazy result.
     
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    Does this speculation have any connection to reality? Making Gomez and De Vroome healthier, and Giron and Thompson less healthy, would allow us to speculate that maybe UCLA wins the doubles point? And then we think that Mkrtchian would move up to 3, and Hanfmann would move down to 3, and Hanfmann would lose ... based on what?
     
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    did anyone here see the match ? if you did, you know better ...
     
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    its all match ups. all the speculation about how ucla would do without thompson and giron is useless to discuss. i was at the match tonight and bottom line is USC brought in two players who were both ranked top 100 at 5 and 6, and obviously it wasn't anyone close to gomez caliber, but it showed.

    UCLA won in straight sets on 3,4,5,6. I don't understand how its "not impressive" for ucla considering outside of giron they only dropped one set. having lost doubles and having new matchups at 2,4,5,6, i think ucla actually handled themselves quite well. novikov had tons of chances at #1 tonight and broke back early in the 3rd only to have a couple points slip by including one that sarmiento hit a tweener on followed by a running forehand down the line winner.

    overall a good performance from both teams i think. USC playing to the end without one of their best, and ucla taking care of business and advantage the way they should at 3-6.
     
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    OK .. here's a ''what if" USC plays Gomez at #3.. drop Wang to #6 where he beat Sell last week and throw some of the same results in.. USC has the win.. it's going to be a special 5th meeting of this year at the NCAA ...UCLA may be the #1 in the country now.. but I would not bet against USC in the NCAA championship if these same two teams meet ...
     
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    All coaches would protest that lineup change and USC would lose the protest. Gomez is ranked 4, Hanfmann 65. Gomez is something like 12-0 at #1, only losses at 2 are to Giron, meanwhile Hanfmann has lost at 3 and struggled with far lesser opponents at times this season. Your "what if" isn't even possible, and if de vroomes wrist heals by may, you can bet they'll put Johnson back at 6 where he's beaten sell twice and de vroome at 5 where he's lost 3 setters his first two times out against UCLA.
     
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    all in all ,it still comes down to 'on any given day' ... all these teams are that close...

    the thing I don't get is what's the purpose of The Ojai tournament for the Pac 12 men's ? it's like another dual match ..

    I liked the old format better ... especially how they they have 4 main courts on top and 2 lower courts that stuff ain't working ..
     
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    Certainly at this juncture a team tournament in the PAC-12 is pretty stupid considering UCLA and USC are the only teams that can win it and it forces them to play possibly 5 times a year (way too many). Libbey is not set up well for dual matches, handmade scoreboards are used, and having only 7 teams in the conference gives it kind of a worthless feeling. I enjoyed the traditional individual tournament.
     
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    Virginia will not beat either of those teams
     
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    Virginia already beat USC this season. With a healthy Gomez.
     
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    Virginia is the odds on favorite to win NCAAs, I don't think you'll find much argument from many people on that.
     
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    last year Clay T. was playing #1 for UCLA .. M,Frank played #3 while being ranked #1 in the NCAA .. so how did that happen?
     
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    This has been discussed before. Nothing happened because Frank played in the #3 slot all year. If they would have switched him to #1 for the last match of the year, despite his ranking, that could have been a winnable protest. Right?
     
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    Clay T played 1 all year last year during PAC 12 regular season, and then he was moved to 2 and beat Ray S in straights at Ojai, making any future protests highly unwinnable.
     
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    Perhaps, but those "extra" matches are the whole reason the UCLA is #1 in the nation. Take away those "extra points" and UCLA would be ranked #3 behind Georgia and possibly lower.

    Really they are likely to play 3 times (previously twice). Playing in the indoors will happen only every now and then. 5 times in a season, if it happens, will be pretty rare.

    Keep in mind, both UCLA and USC have dropped 2 quality matches (i.e., Stanford home/away) from their schedule this year. What I mean is the Stanford match provided no ranking benefit. The Trojans/Bruins needed an extra match or two this year.
     
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    Without the extra match at Ojai, UCLA was still ranked #1....and they lost the meeting at indoors. even without the pac12 tournament "extra matches" ucla still is ranked 1.
     

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