Pacific Bull Gut - the review

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  1. Michael Lesbowicz

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    Here it is. What many have been waiting for. The review of the
    Pacific Bull Gut natural gut string, aka "most expensive and exclusive natural gut string in the world".

    I will repeat here what I have been told by Pacific and what I also
    talked about in the original thread about this string.
    Pacific claims their Prime Gut string already represents the highest level
    for a natural gut string. What they did with the Bull Gut is to create
    a natural gut string from specially selected gut fibers, all from bulls.
    This, they claim, enhances the typical properties of a natural gut string.
    Eat set of Bull Gut string contains gut fibers from 6 to 8 different bulls,
    hence the high price.


    Price: 70 Euros / $95 USD.

    I got mine from Tennis Warehouse Europe.
    Here strung in a Yonex EZONE Ai 98 at 23 kg / 22 kg (51 lbs / 48.5 lbs) tension.
    String gauge is 16L / 8.5G (approximately 1.25 mm).

    I am not very good at reviewing rackets and strings, so I am not going to use
    generic terms like "I felt super dialed in on all my shots" or "lots of power from
    all areas of the court", but I will say this:

    Yes, it is the most powerful, comfortable and arm-friendly string I have ever tried.
    It does in fact feel better than Pacific's Prime Gut which I have also tried.
    I have tried Tough Gut as well, which almost now feels stiff compared
    to Bull Gut. There was more power than I could handle. With my poor technique,
    I had trouble keeping the ball inside the court. The whole stringbed feels very soft
    and buttery and the ball flies off the racket with a very unique feel.
    It is a string that needs a much better player to take full advantage of its potential.
    Level 32 post-human tennis warriors will love this string.

    Another difference I noticed is that the Bull Gut string is very clear in terms
    of color, almost like a nylon string. It does not have much of a yellowish
    tint like Prime Gut does. So physically they do look different.

    However, it is not worth the high price in my opinion.
    Prime Gut, priced at 30 Euros, is almost as good.
    That is my conclusion. If you have $95 USD to blow on a tennis string,
    I would recommend trying Bull Gut for yourself and forming your own conclusions.
    I have two more packs of this string, one of which I am saving for the
    Yonex VCORE Tour G, which I will be getting in March.


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  2. AZHDExperience

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    Thank You for the long awaited review! Have you tasted the string at all to try and taste the bull?
     
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  3. Triskadekaphilia

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    I would have strung it tighter...at least 60 lbs.
     
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  4. Michael Lesbowicz

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    You are too modest! Why stop at 60 lbs? Why not string your racket
    at 70 lbs? Or better yet, how about a cool 80 lbs?
    Do not be shy! String it as high as possible! Real men play with a tension
    of at least 80 lbs!!
     
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  5. Triskadekaphilia

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    Well I don't know about that but premium gut likes a little more tension. Remember it is the most powerful string you can get. At 60 it still feels nice but will taper down the power enough that you feel control is still good.

    Never played at 65 or 70 but that's what they used to do in the past with softer less powerful racquets.
     
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  6. Power Player

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    Cool stick :) I think you are fine on the tension- knowing this racquet. It may have been strung a little on the low side, but not too bad.

    The feel must be rather awesome in the ai.
     
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    have you tried other natural gut? i'm wondering if you can compare with other natural guts, if not, its cool. love the frame and the high def images
     
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  8. dominikk1985

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    I was playing with him:). I did not realize that you had such an expensive string that day.

    let me try it the next time so I can hit some 110 mph serves with it:D
     
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    If there was to much power for you to control. You need it tighter. I agree 58/54 for winter and 60/56 for summer would be about right for gut. You will have far more control. Wish I was rich enough to try it! Enjoy.
     
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  10. Michael Lesbowicz

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    Yes, I have. I have a full bed of Pacific Prime Gut in my Wilson Six One 95 18 x 20 Model 2014 racket,
    and I have tried Pacific Tough Gut as the main string in a hybrid setup with an Ashaway MonoGut ZX Pro
    string in the cross, in a Yonex EZONE Xi 100.

    As you see, because I have tried these strings in different rackets, I can not
    do a fair comparison. Also, the Prime Gut I have is 17 / 1.20 mm gauge, and
    the Bull Gut is 16L / 1.25 mm gauge.

    If however you meant if I have tried other brands of natural gut, then no,
    not yet. I plan on trying Bow Brand Championship natural gut soon.
     
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  11. Michael Lesbowicz

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    I was just being silly about the 70 and 80 lbs suggestions, but I just think
    60 lbs would be way too high for my taste.
    The highest tension I have ever tried was a hybrid setup in a Wilson Pro Staff 100,
    where I had the tension at 25 kg / 24 kg
    (55 lbs / 53 lbs), and I hated it. It was much too stiff and not comfortable at all.

    My Wilson Six One 95 18 x 20 Model 2014 is strung even lower:
    22 kg / 21 kg (48.5 lbs / 46 lbs), and that provides the kind of feel, power
    and comfort that I like.
     
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  12. Triskadekaphilia

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    No problem! Well gut plays differently and you may like it a little tighter.

    Hybrid is a different animal, usually one of the strings is a poly and that should be lower. I have a gut poly I am using currently strung at 56 (pacific classic main) and 48 (msv cofocus) and that is about perfect. But...it is much stiffer than a full bed of pacific classic at 60 lbs.
     
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    I've never used full bed gut below 60 lbs.

    I think you've done yourself a disservice by stringing the powerful gut at a relatively low tension.

    Here are examples of what I string at for the setups I like:
    62 lbs Full bed gut
    53 lbs / 49 lbs Gut Mains / Poly Crosses
    30 lbs Full bed poly
    55 lbs Full bed poly

    I tried 60 lbs full bed gut in a powerful frame and that setup was obviously too powerful for me. Now I use 62 lbs in a lower powered racket and it's nice.
     
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    only way this bull gut is worth its price is if it lasts minimum of 1 year in play.
     
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    Many people advice to string gut at least 3-4 pounds higher than poly because the string is more elastic and repulsive thus generating more power.

    so if you use 23K on poly you might consider using like 24 on gut.
     
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  16. souledge

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    3-4? Try 5-10.
     
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    I can't imagine they would have much sales at that price!
     
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    I'm sure if I strung this in my racquet, I would lose the coin toss, shank my first return and snap the string.
     
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    I have played with Pacific bull fiber gut and I can tell you that this gut is much more powerful than the Pacific classic gut. I have strung this Bull fiber gut at 57# on a 98 head raquet and it's too powerful, although Pacific classic plays fine at 54#. Every one is recommending you to string it tighter and I concur with that. Keep in mind that every string is different and this one in particular is powerful. So before you do any further reviews of this string, please try it at 60# on your 98 head racquet and then let us know. This string is not harsh at 60# at all. It is actually much softer than the Pacific Classic gut.

    Tom
     
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    so at the price would you say it is twice as good as regular gut ?
     
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    NO way. 10-20 % Tops. Regular good natural gut is very good already
     
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    So you've tried this gut?
     
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  23. dominikk1985

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    I was asuming 3-4 because of the numbers in a gut/poly hybrid. don't know about full gut.
     
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    I tried it in a Yonex Pim Pim (RDX 500) 90" frame @ 62 x 60. It was incredibly powerful and I actually did not care for it. I have used Babolat pre-BT7 and post-BT7, Wilson, and the Pacific Orange Bull Fiber. I feel bad for the bulls now, because I wasted it by not fully appreciating their "sacrifice."

    It actually snapped on the stringer (Wilson Bairdo, done by an MRT) and Pacific replaced it for me. So, with price comes service, I suppose...

    Granted, I am a full bed poly player, so it was really silly of me to try, but when I saw Michael's first post, I had to order it from TW Europe. Well, not only was it expensive due to the weak dollar, FedEx slammed me with a $25 importation fee. So, talk about the most expensive string ever!

    Thanks for the review, Michael!
     
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  25. Nostradamus

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    I am confused. I was told that Pacific gut was made from Lamb intestines not Cows. but this one is from Bull cow intestines ???
     
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    what to say.. hmm... Congrats on wasting 70 eur for set of strings that basically play worse than good synthetic gut.

    Was so curious about natural gut hype here on forums and bought on auction site set of VS Team and tbh it sucks (have in mains with smooth poly croff in babolat stick and its nothing special with worse control than nylon...
     
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    rick, I wouldn't go that far. this string does have more power than any synthetic string out there. the New babolat origin may come close to gut. but No synthetic can compare with natty gut like this one.
     
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  28. Michael Lesbowicz

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    Bull Gut is much better than any crappy nylon string.
    More powerful, more comfortable and much better tension maintenance.
    Leave your ignorance at home and come back another day.
     
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  29. Michael Lesbowicz

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    You are welcome.
    Are you not the guy who said he is homeless because he bought too many
    packs of this string? Or was that someone else?
    How many packs did you get? :)
     
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  30. souledge

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    I feel that if I ever try this string, since I like PNG @ 62, maybe string Bull Gut @ 70?
     
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  31. Nostradamus

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    it will break in your bag at that tension
     
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  32. souledge

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    But it's made from only the finest young freshly slaughtered bulls!!!
     
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  33. Nostradamus

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    Remember Bjorn Borg used to string his guts at around 72 lbs and he carried 6-8 rackets. and it would POP during the night in his bag. and Borg only used the best gut Babolat was able to make, only the best. even better than Bull gut.
     
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  34. souledge

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    Before my time, but good to know.
     
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    where I can get sharkie gut for better "bite" ?
     
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  36. Rabbit

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    The only natural gut made from sheep these days is the cheap stuff out of india. All natural gut from Pacific, Babolat, and Klip come from cows/bulls.

    Really? How do you know what grade VS Borg got? Have you hit with a 30 year old set of VS and a new set of Pacific Bull and made a comparison?

    Seems to me that gut is stronger now since it's in larger frames. When larger than wood racquets first came out, gut didn't last nearly as long as it does these days.
     
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  37. JT_2eighty

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    Full gut is a completely different animal than Gut/poly


    Having used a lot of various hybrids, and full gut setups, I can say from my experience, full gut needs to be at 58+lbs, (not hybrids) and I'll explain why:

    My normal setup over the years is gut/poly at 56/53. I've tried it higher, lower and everywhere in between. Also used a few various full gut setups, but as soon as you take out the poly, control was noticeably more difficult until I got the full gut near 60 lbs. I had compared Pacific Tough Gut at 52 lbs full and 58 lbs full, and the 58 was more comfortable.

    In another back-to-back test of strings, full gut at 60lbs (VS 17), was still more difficult to control than a similar setup of VS 17/Lux Ace at 56/53. I even had better control than both of those with my Full poly at 38lbs (Tour Bite 17). Thus, comparing a hybrid tension to a full gut tension is not a good idea. I agree with the poster that suggested adding 5-10 pounds when transitioning from gut/poly to full gut. I would clarify that and say "add 5 pounds coming from gut/poly, or 10 pounds coming from full poly."

    All I'm trying to highlight is that even a poly cross will hugely impact the feel, power and control of your stringbed, so it's hard to extrapolate one's "full gut tension" from their hybrid tension, and use equal tensions for both. I've compared my 60lbs full gut to a 60/58 gut/poly, and the poly made the setup massively lower powered, harsher and sapped a lot of feel away from the gut.

    While 60 pounds sounds high, full gut (especially VS or Prime) truly shines at 60+, and the feel is deceptively comfy and smooth. While other strings will feel stiff and boardy at 60+, Premium gut in a full setup is pillowy in comparison, even to a gut/poly hybrid setup.


    Secondly, the TWU professor, in one of his books, has an experiment they did where the data shows that natural gut actually becomes *more elastic* as it reaches 60lbs, compared to 50 or 40 lbs. Something about the natural muscle fibers allow gut to increase in elasticity as the tension increases, whereas all other man-made string types will become less elastic as you increase tension.
     
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  38. souledge

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    Thumbs up for a great post!
     
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    curious, on your six one 95 do you have good control at those low tensions with all gut? seems a bit low for an all gut setup :shock:

    i have a similar racquet k 6.1 95 18x20 and was going to do a gut/poly hybrid so have been thinking about what tension for the gut....maybe low 50s to start with poly in the 46-47 range
     
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  40. Michael Lesbowicz

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    Yes, I get great control with my Six One 95, despite the low tension.
    The tight 18 by 20 string pattern helps with the control.
     
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    Add me to the list.

    I have been a devotee of hybrids, strung in the lower 50s/upper 40s for some time now. I got a wild hair and strung my six.one's with all gut at 58. Your post is spot on. It is a different feel, but it's the one I have been looking for. You get sublime pocketing, the string bed seems to retain all the bad stuff from impact while giving you more power than with anything else.

    So far, I much prefer an all gut string bed to a gut/poly one. There is no ill effect on my wrist, no jarring impact. It truly warrants the term buttery in response. That's not to say uber flexible like the C10, but natural gut is firm and yet comfortable at the same time.

    Also, after it warms up, I will be stringing up my set of Bull gut. I'll share my thoughts on it versus a full set of Prime.
     
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  42. JT_2eighty

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    Yes, those tension are a perfect place to start on your 18x20. As a fellow 18x20 midplus user, you can get amazing control in those ranges. My preferred tension ranges for gut/poly is 52 to 56 for the mains, and 48 to 53 for the poly crosses, depending on which string and gauge I'm using. Lately I've been using full poly since this summer, and have gone as low as 30lbs, which while still controllable at that tension, I settled on 38-42 lbs for full poly. I guess my point is that an 18x20 can give you nice control even well below the recommended tension ranges.

    For gut/poly, 50/47 is a good place to start, and you can tweak it from there. Sometimes there will be a break-in period too, so give it a few sessions before passing any final judgements. I often find gut/poly gets better with age.
     
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    You don't worry about gut (especially 17g) snapping at >55 lbs?
     
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    In my experience, I've strung up three sets of 17g gut @ 60, 62, 62. The middle 62 snapped in my bag, but all signs point to a shank.

    I only use premium gut, I have had no experience with econogut.
     
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    Trying to put your comments into perspective. I have always, and still, like natural gut, but a bit less recently. I loved the way Victor Imperial felt, but today's products are different animals -- very good feeling but not as great IMO. Maybe I am missing the sweet spot tension-wise with what is available today. What type of machine are you using? Lock-out or CP? Thanks in advance.
     
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    I agree 100% with you. Yesterday's gut did feel better and was different than today's. Unfortunately, when racquets changed, do did the gut. The gut had to be stronger which meant some of the sublime feel went away.

    That said, there is still nothing that feels like natural gut. I have gone back to all gut before and then gone all poly and then poly/multi and then gut/poly. I do think the racquet has a lot to say about what feels best as well. With the six.one, an all gut job just feels great. I did immediately notice an increase in power, but spin is also super easy to generate and feel and control are still very very good.

    My machine is a Prince Neos with a Wise tension head. I string my racquets two-piece set at 58 pounds with constant pull turned on. I do not use the pre-stretch option on my tension head.
     
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    Oh God...yet another arrogant armchair expert. High tensions?
    Who told you that? The pros? I use what I use because of my unique
    preferences and tastes. If you want to be an ignorant amateur who
    thinks high tensions are "COOL", then you go ahead and string your
    racket at 80 pounds. As far as I am concerned, with strings and rackets
    there are no rules. I don't need your or any other jerk-offs permission
    to string my racket at a low tension.

    You like high tensions, I like low tensions.
    In fact, I am going to string up the next set of Bull Gut at an even lower tension, just out of spite. So P.O.

    You should give up tennis and instead play a trumpet as part of a circus
    ensemble.
     
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    I'm not a string breaker but just strung up my MG Rad MP (18x20)
    with klip legend 17 at 58#, i had no hesitation. It string up nicely enough.

    I think I've hit with it 3-4 times now. It feels great but i'm still not sure what to do with it. I'll figure it out. I play snyguts and multis otherwise, no poly.

    great on my sore elbow.

    i notice more power and touch, can't say i notice more spin.
     
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    Thanks, man. I am going to bump the tension next time.
     
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