Pacific Bull Gut: world's most exclusive and expensive natural gut string

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  1. Michael Lesbowicz

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    I recently discovered Pacific's very rare and hard-to-find
    Tournament Pro Bull Gut string,
    which Pacific describes as the as most exclusive and highest
    quality natural gut string.
    It is also the world's most expensive tennis string: 70 Euros ($94 USD)
    for one pack. It is available in 1.25 mm (16) and 1.30 mm (16L)
    gauges. There is no recommended tension listed on the back
    of the pack, but the product description mentions each set
    containing specially selected fibers from 6 to 8 bulls, hence the high price.

    As the name implies, it is not just a natural gut string, it is a
    natural gut string made exclusively from bull gut.
    This string should not be confused with the Prime Gut
    Orange Bull Fiber string, which is just the Prime Gut string,
    with an extra orange bull fiber strand wrapped around it.

    Pacific's Bull Gut was nowhere to be found.
    I contacted three different online tennis stores, and
    Tennis Warehouse Europe was the only one store willing and able to
    order this string for me. Both gauges are now currently in stock
    at TWE.

    I recently got three packs of this string:

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    I will write a review of this string in a week or two, when I get it
    strung up in one of my racquets.
     
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  2. struggle

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    imagine the winners one can achieve with $95 strings.
     
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  3. Dear Djordje

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    Federer needs this to go up against the bull.
     
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  4. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I bet I can hit winners and drop shots from two courts away with these $95 bull strings.
     
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  5. Michael Lesbowicz

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    Two more things:

    I will not be hybridizing this with any other string.
    It is just too expensive to experiment with like that,
    so I want to start out by taking advantage of a full bed of it.

    I have never played with natural gut before, so will not be
    able to compare it with other gut strings. Therefor I am not
    sure how useful my review will be, but I hope to have some
    interesting findings to report.


    Read more here, it is the first string on this page:

    http://pacific.com/products/tennis/strings/natural-gut/

     
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  6. pauliewa

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    I think there are better ways to throw money away. Certainly easier ones.
     
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  7. sundaypunch

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    You will have no basis of comparison. You would probably be better off spending some time with a variety of normal guts strings first.
     
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  8. Michael Lesbowicz

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    This is true. My review will obviously not be a Bull Gut vs. Other gut comparison.

    But at least I can compare it to all the 'gut-like' multifilament polyamid (nylon) strings that I have used.
     
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  9. BLX_Andy

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    If you have that money to spend on 3 of those string sets then at least buy one pack of Wilson and Babolat Natural Gut and use those first so you have a base comparison. But good luck nevertheless.
     
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    The feel of uncoated natural gut combined with the longevity of VS BT7 are its endeavour.
     
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  11. MarrratSafin

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    It used to be just under 50 Euros on TWE. The price now is just..:shock:

    Edit: Prime 16g has gone up too, good thing I stocked up earlier.
     
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    I love the fact that your first ever gut string purchase was this string! I hope it plays awesome for you. I am sorta like you in that of there is something I'm interested in buying, I'll try to get the top-of-the-line of the item (as long as I can afford it).

    Can't wait to read your review of it!
    Dave
     
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    That's bull!
     
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    Interesting. That's some expensive stuff! Have fun.
     
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    I hope you have an experienced stringer to put this stuff in your sticks. I would hate to hear that it was wasted due to some hack stringer's incompetence.
     
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  16. Disgruntled Worker

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    I would string it at 80lbs in a wood racquet
     
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  17. djNEiGht

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    What kind of tennis rackets do you use? What kind of strings have you used before? What is your playing style and do you break strings? Good luck, have fun, that's all
     
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  18. Michael Lesbowicz

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    Rackets: Yonex EZONE Xi 100 & VCORE Xi 100.

    Strings used before: Tecnifibre X-One / TGV, Luxilon M2 Pro / 4G,
    Isospeed Axon Multi / Axon Mono / Professional / Energetic Plus,
    Ashaway MonoGut ZX Pro, Solinco Tru Feel.

    Playing style: sometimes very poor, sometimes average, occasionally above
    average. Not a hard hitter. Prefer staying at the baseline. Serve & volley not my thing. I have a habit of trying to hit a winner on every return. Sometimes
    I succeed.

    Broken strings: never broken a string before.
     
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  19. Michael Lesbowicz

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    I would not consider it throwing money away.
    What might be a waste of money to you, is not a waste of money to someone else.
    It depends on your priorities, interests and what you consider worth
    spending money on. To you, 94 $ for a pack of tennis strings might be a waste of money,
    whereas to me spending a few million dollars on a painting at an auction (like some millionaires sometimes do)
    is a waste of money - even though the millionaire who values the painting, might think it is the best money he ever spent.

    Even a 5 dollar polyester string is good enough to play tennis with
    and does the job, but I like to experiment and in general, when I see
    something rare and expensive, I am willing to spend some cash on it,
    to test it and see if it is worth the price.

    Later on I will of course be trying other (and cheaper) natural gut strings,
    to compare and find out whether Bull Gut is really worth its price or not.
     
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  20. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Allow me to apologize well ahead of time if my assumptions are wrong, but your brief history with strings/equipment (and maybe even the sport in general) suggests you have never used natural gut. So here are some tips to preserve the gut for as long as possible, because they're all expensive, yours in particular!

    1) BE CAREFUL stringing it. They're not like synthetic and polys, which can withstand all kinds of bends and kinks. If you kink it in anyway, kiss them goodbye. Either be an experienced gut stringer, or find one that is experienced in stringing gut.

    2) Stay away from water and moisture at all costs. I don't care how thickly (or not) coated these are, water is detrimental to natural gut.

    3) You're more likely to snap gut on off center hits, so there's that.

    Tell us how they play, most of us don't (and probably won't) use these because they are extremely expensive. Which is why you should be more cautious about them.

    Enjoy! Once you go gut, it's hard to use anything else.
     
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  21. Michael Lesbowicz

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    @Say Chi Sin Lo: your assumptions are not wrong. :)
    Only thing is, I did already mention (see post #5)
    that I have never tried natural gut before.

    My purpose of getting these strings was not to find out how much
    better they are than other natural gut strings, but just to get the
    (supposedly) best and most expensive one, and compare it to some
    of the best synthetic multifilament strings I have tried.

    Thanks for your advice. I will have my rackets strung by TWE.
    Hopefully they will do it right. I will include a note asking them
    to be extra careful. :)
     
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  22. TimothyO

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    There's no such thing as "gut like" multifilament. Not even close. Comparing a multifilament to gut is like comparing a multifilament to Kevlar. There is no comparison.
     
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  23. Michael Lesbowicz

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    Tell that to the manufacturers.
    They are the ones who advertise their multifilaments as "gut like".
    I am not the one making the claim, they are, and I am not even
    saying I believe them.

    To quote Solinco about their Tru Feel multifilament string:

    "A premium high-quality, arm-friendly multifilament string
    offering unparalleled natural gut-like feel and comfort...".

    Kirschbaum also claims the multifiber core in their Gut Feeling
    string provides "gut-like playability".

    So you will have to educate the manufacturers, not me.
    I am already aware of the limitations of synthetic strings.
     
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  24. Michael Lesbowicz

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    I will do that too once I am done with my Bull Gut vs. Synthetic comparison.
    My next plan is to get a set of Pacific's next-best natural gut string,
    the Prime Gut, to see how much better the Bull Gut is and whether it is
    worth the high price.

    I am not sure if I want to try Babolat VS Gut. I have read bad things
    about the latest BT7 version.
     
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  25. anubis

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    If I had those strings, I'd get myself some truck nuts for my racquet.
     
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    Hey, thanks for starting this thread. I am very interested in how you like it. I have used all of Pacific's gut except for this, and am a devotee of their product. I can tell you Prime is buttery smooth and the most powerful gut I've ever used, so I can only imagine how nice what you have will be.

    As for the guys giving you a hard time, just ignore them...jealousy takes all guises! :)

    Good luck with your string and please keep us posted.
     
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    I heard BT7 VS Gut provides gut-like playability
     
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  28. TimothyO

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    I thought it was you who wrote:

    My apologies if you were just quoting a manufacturer.

    The tennis industry is its own worst enemy the way it misleads its customers, whether on the subject of strings or racquets.
     
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  29. Michael Lesbowicz

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    No problem. And yeah, that's it! Hence the "gut-like" term in quotes. :)
     
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  30. Michael Lesbowicz

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    I would not doubt it!
    Imagine that, a natural gut string which almost plays like real gut. :)
     
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    Poor bulls. Killed for their gut.

    Someone call PETA.
     
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    Post of the year!
     
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    Have you ever heard of something called "marketing"??
     
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  34. Smasher08

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    Yep, some strings can approach it in certain characteristics, but never across the board.

    X-1 and PPA are certainly very good in terms of feel, but not so much in elasticity, tension maintenance, spin generation, and durability. At least not when crossed with a smooth copoly.
     
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  35. Readers

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    The next best is orange bull fiber, not the prime gut.

    Yes, they make 2 bull strings...
     
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    I'm excited to hear your opinion.

    However, the fact you spend roughly $300US on three sets of strings make me believe money is not an issue. On the other hand I know if i spent that amount of money, it might influence my review as I would try to justify my purchase in anyway.

    Get out there and hit and let us know how it plays!
     
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  37. Michael Lesbowicz

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    So you have tried Pacific Bull Gut?
     
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  38. Michael Lesbowicz

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    Oh no. Inflation. :-?

    Pacific Prime Gut in 1.20 mm gauge is still available at TWE for 30 Euros.
     
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    Agreed! Please keep us posted
     
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  40. Michael Lesbowicz

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    Nice to know I am not the only one who thinks that way. :)
    I wanted to try natural gut for the first time, so I looked around
    to find the most expensive (and hopefully the best) I could find.
    I was never satisfied with using something that was second-best.
     
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  41. Michael Lesbowicz

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    Yes, once a long time ago. I think.
     
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  42. Michael Lesbowicz

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    The orange Bull Fiber string is not a pure bull gut string.
    It is just the Prime Gut (made of ordinary gut) with an extra
    orange colored bull gut fiber wrapped around it in a spiral.
     
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  43. Michael Lesbowicz

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    I understand why one would make that assumption, but it does not apply to me.
    I am not like that. If there is something I do not like, I will say my honest opinion,
    regardless of how much I paid for it. On the other hand, I will also
    not pretend a product is better than it really is, just because it is very
    expensive, so if it ends up being good but not great or impressive,
    I will say so.

    However, it is highly doubtful that a 94 $ natural gut string will be junk,
    so I am expecting to be positively surprised and satisfied with the performance.
    Whether it is much better than the best synthetic strings or cheaper
    natural gut, is what I plan on finding out in the next couple of weeks.
     
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  44. TennisCJC

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    At $94 per set for Bull Gut, I would want the rest of bull cut up into rib eye, Fillet Mignon, an NY strip steaks and delivered with the set of strings.
     
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  45. Michael Lesbowicz

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    Hahahaha. :)
    If I had not been a vegetarian, I would probably have expected that too.
    And the strings better come from organic pasture-fed bulls! :)
     
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  46. Triskadekaphilia

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    Looking forward to hearing your review.

    However, since you have never played any natural gut previously I don't believe that the review would be terribly useful.

    My prediction: the strings will play great. Like pretty much any NG plays.

    Will they play more than twice as good as Wilson or Babolat VS? That is the pithy question! And ... that will be impossible for you to determine or report.

    Good for you for trying the best / most exclusive / most expensive string product available. However, I think you are approaching it backwards. It would be more logical to play with mid priced gut 1st, then VS and understand what the magic of gut is before testing the extreme.
     
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  47. Triskadekaphilia

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    Excessive consumption!

    Is a bull's intestinal serosa intrinsically better than a cow's? Just because a bull is stronger doesn't make it's gut any better. They are different types of muscle tissue.

    I agree with the above posters that it is likely just marketing nonsense.

    Still, I would rather waste 100 bucks on string than buy a Veyron and discover that the Ferrari is just as good. Just don't break the string with an early shank!
     
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    €56 for single set
    €50 for 6+

    I have a set of it, a set of the Orange Bull fiber prime, and will do a playtest.
    I will compare the 16g versions along with Wilson and BT7 VS.
     
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  49. Michael Lesbowicz

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    And you came to that conclusion without even trying the string?

    It is not marketing nonsense.
    I talked to Pacific and they admitted the Prime Gut string already meets the
    highest demands for a natural gut string. What they have done with the
    Bull Gut string is create a pure natural bull gut string from specially selected higher grade bull gut fibers,
    which they say enhances the properties of a natural gut string. So as far as power and comfort
    is concerned, the Bull Gut is a step above. In theory.
    Whether there is a noticeable practical difference, remains to be seen.
     
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    Get a set to the TWU Professor for objective measurement in the string database.
     
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