Pacific Bull Gut: world's most exclusive and expensive natural gut string

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  1. Triskadekaphilia

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    To answer your question: Yes.
     
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  2. Triskadekaphilia

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    Yes...but I am interested in your impressions after trying the string :)
     
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    The meat from a bull has a stronger flavor and is leaner from all the testosterone. I'm sure there is some difference in their serous membrane.
     
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  4. Michael Lesbowicz

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    So I am wondering: should I try the 1.30 mm (16 gauge) version
    of this string too?
    Will a 16 gauge natural gut string still be more powerful, comfortable
    and elastic than a 1.20 mm (17 gauge) synthetic multifilament string?

    I am not a hard hitter and I have never broken a string before,
    so I am thinking I can stick to the 1.25 mm (16L gauge) without
    worrying about durability.
     
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  5. Torres

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    Interesting....good to see Pacific pushing the natural gut market, though at this price, I can't see them selling much of this string. That said, I wouldn't mind trying this Bull Gut purely out of curiosity.
     
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  6. djNEiGht

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    How long do you plan to test out the string(s)? The appeal with gut to some is that once the initial tension loss has happened, it plays consistent through out its life span. This could be one long test if you try and get your moneys worth. I'd hate to see one cut out gut. I had a full bed of mid priced gut last me 3-4 months.

    Or maybe you could have multiple racquets set up. One with Bull, VS, Wilson, etc...and go for a couple matches one stick then rotate through each set up every couple of matches.
     
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  7. pennc94

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    This test of yours will be nice, but not very helpful IMO. You are not a gut user and do not plan to test against other gut strings. Buy a set and try it, but perhaps you buy another pack for the TWU Professor for some testing.
     
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  8. EatMyForehand

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    I think you should try a cheaper gut before trying these.

    Actually, I have a brilliant idea :idea: ! Since you have 3 sets, I say send one to me and a set to someone else so we can all test the strings. Therefore we will have 3 reviews on the string playability.

    What do you say??? :cool:
     
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  9. 3fees

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    Bull gut tennis string..enjoy

    :)
     
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  10. Rabbit

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    I, based on my experience, don't believe this is a case of marketing. There is a substantial difference in the play of Classic versus Prime. I'm still very interested in the results. :)
     
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  11. Readers

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    So true, prime is so much more powerful than classic.
     
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  12. Michael Lesbowicz

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    And now we just need to find out how much more powerful Bull Gut
    is than Prime Gut. :)
     
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  13. Readers

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    Have you found out yet?
     
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  14. Nostradamus

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    Couldn't agree more. If he had this gut on in Cinci then he would have won that match.

    and besides what makes you think this is any better than Babolat Team gut ? just cause it is more expensive ? Is all Babolat gut made from Girl cows ?
     
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  15. Chotobaka

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    Only the hot ones.
     
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  16. Nostradamus

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    my question is Is it really that different, if the gut string was made from the Bull or Girl cow ? Bulls are bigger but didn't know they had better intestines. so does this mean a Man has stronger better intestines than Women ???
     
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  17. Chotobaka

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    I seriously doubt it. Even when it comes to eating them, if you heavy feed a bull for 30-60 days (feeding it as you would a steer for meat production) the taste and texture of the meat is pretty much the same. And gut is probably not made from "girl" bovines, as these have ongoing value for dairy production and breeding. Gut is likely made from the by-product of cattle bred for meat production.

    Bulls and steers are both males and only differ in the following ways: (1) steers are castrated while young to make them more manageable within the herd and around humans; (2) steers are heavy fed for weight gain since they are strictly bred for meat; (3) bulls are selected when young for their physical characteristics as it pertains to breeding and are not castrated; they exist for breeding. (4) bulls are fed differently since they are usually not in the food chain. Ranchers do not spend extra time or money fattening up bulls. Bulls are most often eaten when they are injured (i.e. broken leg, etc). At that point, feeding reverts to that of steers up until slaughter.

    The notion that bull intestines are inherently better for gut production is pretty ludicrous, especially when considering the amount of processing that goes into string production. FWIW, the August issue of RSI had an interesting feature article about how natural gut is produced. I suspect the actual process is quite different than the romanticized idea many people have about this.
     
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  18. Michael Lesbowicz

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    Instead of making ludicrous claims about a string you have never tried,
    I suggest you look at the facts, so I will repeat what I have said earlier
    in this thread: Pacific never said bull gut is drastically better or different
    than cow gut. They even admit that their Prime Gut string which is made
    from cow gut already meets the highest demands for a natural gut string.

    What they have however done with the Bull Gut is to make a string
    exclusively from specially selected higher grade bull intestines, which due
    to its different properties, enhances the qualities of a natural gut
    string, with slightly more elasticity, power and comfort.

    Each set of Bull Gut string is made from gut from 6 to 8 different bulls,
    and combined with the selection process to find the highest grades,
    is what makes the string so expensive.
     
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  19. Nostradamus

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    how is higher grade Bull intestines have different properties ?? in humans, man's intestines aren't any different than women's , I believe.
     
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  20. leroy_sunset

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    It's been 2 weeks since his first post, still no results. Either he's trolling, or he works for Pacific.
     
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  21. insiderman

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    He does NOT work for pacific.. and yes, there is a clear difference in making gut with 'true-bull' intestines - much so..
     
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  22. Ronaldo

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    Any company use buffalo intestines for strings?
     
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  23. Sander001

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    I stayed at a farm for a few days after getting stranded. I wanted to repay my host's kindness for letting me stay so I decided to milk their cow. When I presented the gift to my gracious hosts they looked troubled and told me they don't have a cow, they only have a bull.
     
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  24. Marcus

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    Looking forward to reading your review Michael

    Mark
     
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  25. Dimcorner

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    Could be diet related. IF they take it from a breeding bull then they don't have to get fattened up for slaughter. That said thou maybe it's expensive because you just don't have that many bulls around to make a set of gut string. I mean you can keep a herd of bulls around right? Don't they beat each other up?

    Wonder if they can just engineer the stuff now? I mean why not grow collagen strands? It probably takes WAY less time to grow a 130mm strand of gut than +3 full cows/bulls/steers. I guess cost is the main factor since gut is probably a by-product of meat factory. I doubt they go though the trouble of growing several bovines JUST to get a pack of string.
     
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  26. Michael Lesbowicz

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    Oh yeah, definitely. I work for Pacific. Might explain why I do not own
    any of their rackets and have never tried any of their strings before.
    The only troll here is you.

    I recently had all six of my rackets re-strung before I got the three sets
    of Bull Gut strings, so I am not in a hurry to re-string a newly strung
    racket just to try a new set of strings.
     
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  27. Michael Lesbowicz

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    This is the text on the back of the package meant to justify the high price:

    "The most exclusive and highest quality natural gut string ever. Developed
    to meet and exceed the ultimate in performance demanded by any serious
    player. Direct benefits are: maximum comfort, unmatched power and
    excellent spin potential, delivering a totally new playing experience that only
    natural gut can deliver. Each set of Bull Gut is carefully hand crafted
    using only the best of the best natural gut fibers and only those
    taken from selected bulls. PACIFIC quality standards have reached
    a new level of expertise, as it takes on average 6 to 8 bulls to make
    a single set of Bull Fiber. Limited quantities are available
    -however with unlimited performance."


    Sounds good on paper, but unfortunately it might take a while
    for me to verify if real world performance matches their marketing.
     
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  28. scyzer

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    No one has actually stated WHAT the difference is other than throwing marketing hyperbole around.

    Google it and this thread comes up top with no other useful information.

    I appreciate that this string is expensive but we have nothing showing that it's better other than the fact that strands are chosen from many bulls (I thought that was the same process for VS gut just from different cows instead of bulls?).

    Ultimately, when the OP does review it, as he hasn't played with NG before, it'd be difficult for other members to actually gauge how this string performs in comparison to other major brands.

    I'm not having a go at the OP but this thread needs to die until his review - otherwise it just sounds like he's being unnecessarily condescending at people who don't believe Pacific's claims baselessly.
     
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  29. arche3

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    I think babolat needs to breed 20 special VS bull cows. Then slaughter the bulls. Then feed the carsass of the bulls to the next 20 bulls. For 100 generations. Then and only then will they gather the holy VS gut bull fibers.

    VS100 bull gut mains with lux 4G crosses is the Arche3 rig 1.
     
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  30. wrxinsc

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    goat gut.

    /thread
     
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  31. Ronaldo

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    Anyone please explain why sheep gut is not as good as bull gut?
     
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  32. GBplayer

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    Bison or African water buffalo make any bull look a bit effeminate. Surely the way to go.
     
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  33. tistrapukcipeht

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    Mehhh, Pacific is just overmarketing this stuff, I'd not pay that much for anything, if I were gonna buy gut I'd buy Wilson, but you do what you wanna do and thanks for the feedback.
     
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  34. Ronaldo

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    Was not joking about bison, strong tasting meat.
     
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  35. tistrapukcipeht

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    Bison meat is just plain awesome, better taste as well.
     
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  36. Ronaldo

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    Nearly as good as Venison
     
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  37. Chotobaka

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    Unless a bull dies suddenly, they are usually heavy fed prior to slaughter to improve the quality of the meat. Intestines are just a by-product, the meat is where the real money is on a slaughtered animal. I have had bull meat handled in this fashion and dry aged -- the steaks I ate were just as delicious as the best steer I've eaten.
     
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  38. Michael Lesbowicz

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    I will be comparing Bull Gut to other natural gut strings too,
    Bow Brand Championship and Pacific's own Prime Gut are those
    that I have selected.

    I never said I believe any of Pacific's claims. So please do not put words
    in my mouth. I started this thread to raise awareness about a product
    most people did not even know existed. I welcome critical and skeptical
    thought. I have stated before that while Bull Gut should in theory
    be the best natural gut string, it remains to be seen until I review the string.

    And I will repeat for the third time: even Pacific admits that their Prime Gut
    string already meets the highest demands for a natural gut string.
    So far they have not met any claims that I would consider baseless.
     
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  39. Chotobaka

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    Unless I have misread earlier posts, you have never played with natural gut strings. I do not feel like slugging through the entire thread so, if I am wrong, I stand corrected. If you haven't played with natural gut, I am not sure if there is any there there when it comes to your review. Just sayin'.
     
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  40. Triskadekaphilia

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    If you can throw 300 bucks at 3 sets of string you could probably afford another racquet. Maybe you can ask for a stick from pacific as a comp since you will be about the only person reviewing their flagship string;)
     
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  41. Chotobaka

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    Definitely tasty when cooked right (i.e. not over done and dried out). And, extremely healthy. I recently had kangaroo tenderloin -- seared on the outside, very rare inside and absolutely delicious. Tasted very much like beef with no distracting characteristics. Probably the most tame "interesting" meat I have eaten.
     
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  42. pennc94

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    So has the OP tried the string yet?
     
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  43. spinovic

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    No. He is waiting on something...new racquet maybe? Read it in another thread, but can't remember the reason.
     
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  44. UCSF2012

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    Why would you kill bulls for their intestinal lining? I can see farming cows for serosa, because we'll eat them anyway. But bulls? Why kill bulls? Almost as obscure as killing giraffes for tennis strings.
     
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  45. Chotobaka

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    When bulls get too old to breed (which is their only function in life,) or are seriously injured, they enter the food chain. No one in the industry is slaughtering bulls for their serosa -- the dollars and cents just do not add up. At least, not in this universe. Perhaps the terms "bull" and "steer" are interchangeable in N.Z.? BTW, cows aren't normally slaughtered either -- they ring the cash register by producing milk.
     
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    Because me and a few other people keep buying up the stock. Anything that is obscure is going to be purchased by the Jones family. :)
     
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    Over a month since the original post and still no full bed comparison with Wilson or BT7?
     
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    Maybe he lost the key to his safe deposit box.
     
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  49. spinovic

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    He hasn't strung the Bull Gut up yet.
     
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  50. Ronaldo

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    When bulls get too old to breed -- they ring the cash register by producing milk.
     

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