Pacific Classic 1.25 x MSV Co-Focus 1.18

Discussion in 'Strings' started by Smasher08, Aug 29, 2011.

  1. I've just got ths setup. Arrived today msv in gold. My 16x19 yonex vcore 100 I usually go in at 56/52. Suspect I should start with this as was pretty powerful my last engagement with gut/poly in champions choice although didn't like the stiffness of alu rough...still had oodles of power though.
     
  2. kazamzaa

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    mrsbrownsboys I just hit today with gut/poly babolat/msv. My previous setup was with thicker strings 1.35/1.27 at the same tension. I feel that the power level and comfort is up with these thinner strings 1.30/1.23. So what I'm trying to say is "try thicker string if you want to tame the power level."
    If I inderstood right, you have 1.25 NG mains and 1.18 poly crosses in a 100" frame with an open string pattern??? I would say thicker could be better for you. Gives you durability and control. It tames the power too.
     
  3. Smasher08

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    Update - 65 hours (Set 4 - playing set) and 100+ hours (Set 3 - teaching set)

    As usual, take the hours in my teaching set with a grain of salt.

    Just a quick update for my playing set: I tried putting in a few SSers and didn't like how stiff it felt, so out they went. There are a few deep notches in the mains now, so I've no idea how long this stringjob will last. As it stands, since I've gotten 65 hours already, I'm happy. The spin, as always is great, and there is great control and power. I've gotten into the habit of throwing in the odd mega topspin moonball: if deep enough, they have enough spin to bounce straight up over the back fence for a winner.

    I don't think I ever managed to do that with Focus Hex mains!
     
  4. Smasher08

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    The interesting thing about switching gauges is that there's always tradeoffs: the thicker the gauge, the greater the surface area coming into contact between mains and crosses, and the greater the friction meaning less spin.

    Better for him to try out this 1.25x1.18 set and see what kind of durability, power and control he gets. Unfortunately figuring out what works with specific frames and playing styles can be just as much of an art as a science.
     
  5. kevin

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    Smasher, I just joined the pacific classic 1.25 x co-focus 1.18 bandwagon. I put them into my PK Qtour for 2 weeks now (12 hrs).

    Thanks for providing all the good reviews and status reports. They are quite align with what I felt, except I forgot that your 52/48 is on a 89" frame. I find the Qtour a bit too powerful with 52/48 on a 98" frame. Nevertheless, still fun and comfortable to play with.
     
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    Making a switch to the 89T :). Please enlighten us on the play of this setup.
     
  7. filphil

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    I'm hoping my racket will be shooting lasers after this. :twisted:
     
  8. Got the 125/118 setup. Spin is king for me. I play to create an opportunity to hit a winner as hard as I can within the spin capabilities of my gear...wind up or down accordingly. Obviously a max spin setup will give me the confidence to really go after the shot. The msv packaging states no more than 53lbs...56/52 is my usual..might go 55/50
     
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    How does a gut/poly hybrid compare to a full bed of multi in stiffness?

    I like the spin of my current string setup of tour bite 17 except it's too jarring for me.
     
  10. Finally got around to trying this yesterday. Very impressive. It certainly has a lot less power than the champions choice (Wilson/Alu) combo at the same tension. Feels very very comfortable. The alu in the previous combo I found ridiculously stiff after a short period of time and uncomfortably so. It feels very controllable and the spin from the first play was as good if not better than anything I've tried. I'm hoping things will get better as some have found here.

    If it lasts say 6 weeks then it’s a keeper, although I might knock the tensions down a touch for a bit more power and possibly go with a thicker gauge in the pacific as it does look pretty delicate. Any tips regarding the weather? Seems a bit of moisture in the air and the balls are picking up a bit of rain also off the court, I assume this accelerates the breakdown of the string?
     
  11. Smasher08

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    The lower the tension, the more power AND more spin you get.

    About the durability, unless it's coming into contact with water, don't worry about it. And if you don't prestretch it, it'll really last a long time.

    I'm NTRP 5.0 and I get around 70 hrs from each stringjob.
     
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    70 HOURS?!?!!?!! Good lawd, that's a lot of hours. Do you switch out the original poly cross at all or do you use it til gut breaks?
     
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    I've never restrung my crosses. In fact, now that I string myself and don't prestretch, I find I don't at all notice the poly crosses dying. Before I used to notice it from around hours 20-26.

    The other things I should probably reiterate is that I hit with an 89 sq" 18x20 string pattern racket. So going to a larger headed open pattern stick might yield different results for players at the same NTRP level. If so, just go up to 16L gauge and I'm pretty sure you'll see the same results.

    And for players at lower NTRP levels, you should probably see significantly longer durability.
     
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    If mine lasted 70 hours it would be my setup. Unfortunately I only get 8 now, so it just won't work. I will revisit since I have a set of gut left, but for now I have had to revert back to poly mains.
     
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    Getting rid of the extra 89 tour because I can't play as much as I would like to. So now I only have the single 89 tour to hit with.

    If I can get over 20 hours from a gut/poly set up that would last me about 3 weeks. I'd be ecstatic if that could work out.

    Hopefully the small head size and 16x20 string pattern contributes to great durability.
     
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    If you're going to go gut-poly, I'd strongly suggest keeping a backup racket strung with a multi or syngut for those occasions where there's a little drizzle or puddles: I learned the hard way last year that gut strings can only handle moisture when they're new. Once they get a little worn, water will kill them fast.

    Re your head size and string pattern, the other variable that will increase longevity is the tension: the looser you go, the longer they'll last. Just like the looser you go, the more power AND more spin it'll have.
     
  17. Ill keep you posted, might go 16L and maybe 54/50 next time round..
     
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    I'll have a spare racket, but not another spare 89t. I do not play competitively and am okay with packing up and heading out to eat after a string break. :)

    My tension will be on the lower end of the spec range at 53/45 so that'll hopefully contribute to longer life.
     
  19. JT_2eighty

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    This is why I love my classic 18x20 frame. It's a very dense 18x20 and having used every possible string-type and hybrid config, I agree that gut/poly takes the longest to break, while also playing *solidly* throughout. The combination of elastic main and slippery cross make for a durable setup for dense patterns. I tried the same strings in a 16x19 98" last year, and they would snap in under 10 hours... it's amazing what a flexy 18x20 can do for your strings.
     
  20. filphil

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    Loving the set up in my sig. It took a little while to get used to. At 10 hours of hitting I can say that I'm more than comfortable with this set up and am enjoying the easy power it generates on my 89 tour.

    The only con was that I did feel that the string bed was powerful on the first outing. But being my first gut use I chalked it up to having to hit differently because of the pocketing of gut.
     
  21. This setup is now opening up quite a bit...increased pocketing and spin, sometimes I now feel its slightly underpowered as a few balls I've hit dip pretty quick...that said it does let me hit some crazy angles...the poly crosses are a keeper as I don't notice them at all and playability is very good. Don't think I'll ever try Lux strings again tbh, great for an hour or two and that's your lot
     
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    Just bit the bullet and ordered 16L of both. (Gold Co Focus) If I like my Rip Control and my synthetic guts at 60 lbs in my EXO3 Tour 18x20 but like them best later in their lives when a little looser, where do I string each of these?

    Just looking for a starting point for each. Can always adjust next setup as needed, of course.

    Thanks.
     
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    Low 50s. Once you get to the mid or high 50s you lock the stringbed and reduce the spin potential.
     
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    Cool, thanks. Say 54/52 with gut mains? Or is a bigger differential generally preferred?
     
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    I've been going with a 4 lb differential. I find it allows the mains to deflect and slide a little more (more spin potential)
     
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    Cool. Many thanks.
     
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    So you are a 5.0 and you get 70 hrs.....Wooow!!
    I have to try this....
    I just can't belive that you don't feel the stiffness of the Co-Focus since it is a co-poly....all the co-polies I've tried get stiff at 8 hours mark or so.
    Again...I have to try this
    Smasher,
    How many hours out of those 70 are real match playing at 5.0 level?
     
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    I've itemized your main points to answer them more easily.

    1. Yep, in my playing racket. In my teaching racket, I strung it 2lbs looser and by my best estimate I've logged on 180-200 teaching hours on it. But take that with a grain of salt because I'm not hitting some of the time and usually feeding softly for the rest.

    The other thing to bear in mind is that my stick has an 89 sq" head, is pretty flexy, and has a dense string pattern. All of these combine to prolong the life of a stringjob far more than an open patterned 95+" stick. That said, I'm reasonably sure that moving up a gauge in an open stick will probably yield similar results.

    2. AFAIK CoF is the most elastic copoly out there . . . Probably by a mile. This means that there won't be the stiffness you'll find with something like Tour Bite. This will make the feel a bit nicer, facilitate spin generation, and probably diminish the boardiness you speak of.

    3. All of the hours on my playing frame are proper playing or practising.
     
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  29. theonly1kidd

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    i been reading up on msv co-focus thread and is very interested in trying it out. But i don't see tennis warehouse selling it in 1.18. Do anyone know where I can get a few sets or a reel from? Thanks in advance.
     
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    I have about 16 hours on my set up and it's looking pretty good. I refrained from clipping off the hairs of my gut so now it looks pretty ugly. No issues though and am glad I took a liking to the guy/poly hybrid.
     
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    Ordered a set of white 1.18 co-focus in prep for my next stringing. Going to string it up with a 16l set of pacific classic. Can't wait to see what this setup is about.
     
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    Just install pacific classic 16L/big banger alu 16L at 56/54 on my 95D, have hit with it for 30 minutes, for breaking in period i think classic 16L have less power and spin than VS team at the same tension and cross.
     
  34. Into 30 hrs plus on this setup...spin is unreal..I've added 4 grams on my frame at 9 and 3 for the first time since playing to get an even heavier ball....one strand has started to branch apart from that as good as new. Highly recomended
     
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    Which racket are you using?
     
  36. Vcore 100s
     
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    Got it in my racket for 2nd time, 1st time my gut broke after over 1 hr use from grommet.

    2nd time.didn't like it at first - that was the gut felt dead and stiff (2 yr old gut in packaging), then I decided to 9grams more of lead tape, played yesterday and loved it, now it feels soft, love the crontrol, not getting pop on ball but that's due to my technique- trying to introduce more topping; love hitting flat though.

    Been using it now for around 5hrs. If it keeps playing like yesterday then better than gut/alu rough
     
  38. It gets better about 8-10hrs:twisted:
     
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    that sounds great, hope it does. just wish i could afford gut, ran out and wont be buying it probably for along time - costs too much
     
  40. filphil

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    Logged about 25 hours on the set up in my sig. In the last hitting session it actually felt boardy. I'm chalking it up to the poly going dead.

    Since I've gotten over 25 hours I'm considering going to a thinner gauge for the gut mains. I'll see how it goes after this weekend of hitting.
     
  41. Ross K

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    Great thread here, which I'm slowly wading through. And, wow, what incredible amounts of time people are getting out of these set ups... unbelievable... "Shakes head disbelievingly." :)

    Anyhow, I'm about to hybrid Pacific Classic 16 with a poly in my APD Original. My question is, aside from MSV Co-Focus, which I may have a problem sourcing where I am, what polys might people recommend to go with the Pacific Classic in the APD?

    I'm very new to gut TBH but recently played with an old Fischer VT95 with VS/Iontec @ 56/52 lbs, and needless to say, was very impressed indeed. As the APD is my main squeeze though, I'd like to know what polys may work well with Pacific in the stiffish APD Original. A few suggestions here would be great.

    TIA
     
  42. Posture Guy

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    Can you get any of the Weiscannon strings where you are? I've tried B5E and Scorpion as the crosses in this setup and they are close to the Co Focus. Might try Silverstring, too.

    Just liked Co Focus better.
     
  43. McLovin

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    Before switching to Co Focus, I was using SPPP (1.23mm) as a cross w/ Pacific Classic & Tough Gut 17g. I probably would have gone back to it after my reel ran out, but gave Co Focus a try due to this thread. As it tuned out, I liked Co Focus 'ever-so-slightly' better.

    As the guy at G & G said on the phone, Co Focus is essentially SPPP 'plus', so if you can't get the MSV strings, give Signum a chance.
     
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    Posture and McLovin,

    Thanks for that ^.

    I have a set of Silverstring laying around actually. I'm also familiar with SPPP and can source it easily enough. I can get other MSV polys strings but not the Co-Focus I think, so great to hear of alternatives.
     
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    Ross, you have to try Yonex PTP in that frame. Acid yellow and a cracking poly to boot. Available at the World of String.
     
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    One of my tennis partners have Silverstring 1.20 (mains) on an APD and he loves it.
    He uses klip natty on the crosses. 54/60

    To each his own
     
  47. filphil

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    Set up in my sig is hitting beautifully.
     
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    filphil - how does play in your racket, whats it like?

    been using it for around 14hrs, still loving it, nat gut is slightly fraying now, but when i mean slightly i mean like on 4 strings thrs 1 strand around 2mm long
     
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    With this recent set I pre-stretched my gut. I previously did not but I felt that by not doing so it made the gut too lively for my stroke. It's now dead on in how I like my string bed.

    Again as I mentioned before I feel effortless power. I know for some people that sounds bad but what I take from it is that I can have a calm, relaxed swing and still produce reasonable pace. When the opportunity arises in a low pace incoming ball or short ball I can really rip one for a winner.

    I previously used SPPP in the same gauge as my cross. I cannot tell much of a difference between SPPP and Co-Focus initially so I won't be able to comment there. I did find at around 25hrs the dead/dying cross was noticeably stiff. I did not experience the result that Smasher did. Having said that, I will wait until the Co-Focus gets around the same amount of hitting hours as the SPPP combo before I dismiss it. I'm hoping Co-Focus doesn't have as pronounced a death as SPPP did.

    I also had a friend use my second racket strung with the same exact setup. He's a very flat hitter(you can actually read the words on the ball flat). He absolutely loved the set-up. Much more than I anticipated. The interesting part was that he was hitting with more spin. I'm chucking that to the string set-up as another user claimed that gut/poly had a spin potential of "brain dead easy".
     
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    If you hadn't prestretched it, you probably wouldn't be able to notice any poly death at all. Unfortunately when I used prestretched setups, I could definitely feel it around hours 20-26 or so, but afterwards it was just fine.
     

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