Paleo worked for me

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  1. comeback

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    6 months ago there was a discussion thread here about increasing testosterone. Since my blood test numbers were on the low side i read a book whose author Jeff Volek was also the author of several "paleo diet' books..After reading them and another paleo book by Rob Wolf i started paleo approx 6 months ago on March 7th 2013. Before i was 5'10" approx 178-180lbs in very good tournament tennis condition with a 34 inch waist. But at 62 i was plagued with stiffness,soreness, lack of fexibility, limited recovery after matches, and a general decline in most physical areas of living which i attributed to "old age" But after 6 months i lost over 20-25 lbs with a marked improvement in everything. I look, feel and play better. I didn't think i would get this close to a 6 pack again and weigh 154lbs. I basically cut out extra refined sugar and grains. Luckily my wife changed her cooking ingredients to coconut or almond flower so there are plenty of ways to eat your forbidden foods and still stay paleo. I did go thru some fatigue without refined carbs but my body has adjusted and i now have more endurance and energy than ever before. In the photos you can see my size 34 falling off me.
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    Thanks comeback I'm seriously thinking about giving paleo a try
     
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    Every meal where I skip grains and sugar, I feel more energetic afterwards than if I dont.
     
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    Is pasta a nono or ok to eat according to your diet?
     
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    Don't think that I could give up the peanut butter, lentils, chickpeas, lasagna or the other legumes and pasta. And no pizza! No wonder Paleo man didn't live past 30 -- the hunter-gatherers couldn't find any pizza joints! :wink:



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    I thought so too, i loved all the above and oatmeal, cereal, bagels too. But after a lot of digging and the many paleo websites there are some alternatives..I have almond butter and eggplant parmesan. Pizza made with almond or coconut flower. Spaghetti squash etc..For sweets there are lots of great stuff made with plain cocoa powder..Also there is a great fruit ice cream maker called "Yo Nana" http://www.yonanas.com/
    Here are 2 other good websites
    http://janeshealthykitchen.com
    http://www.vitacost.com

    Once i had substitutes for many things i used to eat..I really didn't crave them anymore..it is a gradual learning process. But the tradeoff of looking and feeling better and performing better are well worth it for me
     
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    Congrats. TNT Diet by Volek is my go-to. I love the workout plans in the book as well. After the first week of eliminating mealtime carbs, your body really starts to feel great.
     
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    Congratz on the weight loss!

    i did a semi-paleo diet for about 2-3 months and dropped 25 lbs.

    honestly the 'rhetoric' of strict paleo can be kind of ridiculous. For me sticking to the main tenants of paleo without joining the cult gave me great results.

    I allowed myself 'cheat days' where I could eat pizza and pasta every now and then. I did eat some dairy and then and had sugar and cream in my coffee. It also helps that i'm not a dessert guy.

    I think the main benefit of paleo comes from going easy on processed carbs and eating a ton of veggies.
     
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    What you are doing sounds a lot like the TNT Diet I mentioned in my last post. It's more "carb-cycling" than "low carb." I'd suggest checking out that book (by the same title.)
     
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    Thanks, i am kind of proud of myself..As for cheat days, i never do them. After reading so much about processed refined grains it scared the daylights out of me. One comment by a paleo website parralled eating grains to shaved up woodchips..In other words whats in all the breads,cereals, pizza crust etc and so many things we comsume mindlessly on a daily bassis isn't even a food, but a foreign substance..In my case my muscles were so sore and stiff, it had to be that (and processed sugar). Because now i am so flexible and able to do twice the amount is proof enough for me.I know i might sound a little nuts about grains but i think when you are younger you can fight off and animal your way thru sports without strict eating..i did it too.. but as you get older eating bad will catch up to you in subtle ways.
     
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    But that is not grain or sugar, is it?
     
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    ^ But they are on the Paleo no-no list. Paleo man was a hunter-gatherer, not a farmer or a pizza maker.


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    Well I was not adressing pizza. But according to the OP "I basically cut out extra refined sugar and grains." And I just think people should find their own paths and not get overly turned of by dogmas and details.
     
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    Hi Povl, when i first started it seemed simple to just cut out "sugar and grains" but as with anything in life, it wasn't so clear cut. I never realized how much these 2 ingredients were in most processed foods. It does however get easier as time goes on..feeding 25 lbs less becomes easier. I learned how much less food the body REALLY NEEDS . Even with tennis and exercise i was concerned that how will i have enough energy? But the conversion from burning carbs to burning fat showed me it can be done..I can't explain the science behind it (even though i read it in the paleo books). But i can tell you it happened to me. Yes there was an adjustment period of fatigue but now i am never concerned about endurance during a match and best of all if i have a match the next day..I know many who read this say they can NEVER cut out eating this and that, but you'd be surprised what you are capable of.
     
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    True, true. However, the OP's thread is supposed to be about the Paleo diet. There have been numerous diets that pre-date this recent fascination/implementation of the Paleo diet that "cut out extra refined sugar and grains". If the OP is basically/primarily cutting out these things we probably should not be referring to it as a Paleo diet. This diet is more than sugar & grains. While one does not need to adopt all aspects of this diet, we should make a disctinction if we are going to use this trendy diet concept.
     
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    Nothing predates the Paleo diet in human history.
     
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    I happen to do well limiting my intake of simple carbohydrates and avoiding sugars. However, as with most diets, there are a lot of things that are passed off as fact that are either unsubstantiated or outright nonsense.

    Here is a very interesting counterpoint to some of Paleo and Primal principles...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOjVYgYaG8
     
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    Paleo man did not refer to his own diet as the "Paleo diet". But then you probably already knew that this is what I meant. The modern adaptation of the Stone Age (aka Paleo) diet, that which we call the Paleo Diet, started to become popular in the late 90s.
     
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    Maybe you're right. The reason i call it paleo is because that's most of the books i read. And the websites and emails subscriptions i signed up for all are "paleo" based as well as the food recipes. So thats what rolls off my tongue. But i know there are a lot of modifications to paleo
     
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    Fair enough. Any plans to be more or less inclusive with your diet as you move forward?
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    Right now i am so happy with this diet and my progress that i don't think i will . As i stated before, after reading the negatives about processed grains, i really feel i will never eat anything with them again..I know it sounds crazy, but luckily my wife works extremely hard in making me "substitutes" with coconut or almond flour which does not leave me wanting anything else..i still eat "modified" ice cream, chocolate cake, lemon cheese cake, even pizza with almond flour isn't too bad..eggplant / zucchini parmesan is great as well as so many beef/chicken/fish and veggie dinners. You would think with these substitutes that one wouldn't get results. But my progress and how i feel speak for itself. I would know if it wasn't working
     
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    Paleo diet works fine. But its difficult to maintain - extremely IMHO. My dad lost some weight on a variation of it but then he started cheating. Like well I am on vacation - its the holidays etc. And then the weight came back. Also if you are married and your girl likes to share sweets.. Rough.
     
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    Yes i agree it's difficult but not extremely difficult. You can find substitutes almost anywhere now in restaurants and vacation resorts..just eliminate sugar and grains. It takes a little willpower but you'll feel better in the mornng
     
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    Depending on how strictly "paleo" people are, eliminating gluten and minimizing sugar are probably the two main choices. There are many good recipes for gluten free pizza crust so this isn't a big issue for most.
     
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    Gluten free pizza may be gluten free but how is it paleo?
     
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    From my understanding and reading "gluten free products" still contain grains and are not paleo.
     
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    I must admit though that the paleo diet looks like it was invented by a man who just wanted an excuse to eat barbeque food for the rest of his life.
     
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    From my understanding most and the main sorts of grains contain gluten so I would disagree.
     
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    OP, congratulations on your newfound energy and weight loss. I find strict diets too hard to follow, but have had great success with a diet similar to Paleo but which does not adhere to all of its principles - and one which it seems several posters in this thread are with as well:

    1. Eliminate as many processed foods, complex carbohydrates, and grains as possible.
    2. Consume whole vegetables and unprocessed meats as dietary staple.
    3. Try to keep Omega 6 fats balanced with Omega 3 fats
    4. Consume fruits and simple sugars in quantities consistent with your activity level and your body's requirements for energy.

    I think more people would have success if they viewed it as a different way of eating than a diet. It is ok to have "cheat" days or a nice dinner out without guilt or adverse health consequences if one can exercise the discipline to eat properly the rest of the time.

    There is a saying that I like and that is kind of the mantra I use (cannot credit the source, because I forget, but I didn't make it up)

    "Eat food, real food, not too much, mostly plants"

    The rest kind of takes care of itself. After about 2 months of this, I am ready for a new wardrobe and I can breathe through my nose on the tennis court.

    I do miss ordering pizza on Friday night, though...
     
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    ^^ Source for that quote is Michael Pollan. Simple, yet profound.
     
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    I love barbecue. But you have to be careful because it can contain a ton of sugar. Probably the best Paleo food is actually fish which sadly is even more expensive then meat.
     
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    ^ Sardines are a great way to go. I eat them about 4x/week. Comes "marinated" quite a few different ways -- water, olive oil, salmon oil, lemon (sauce), tomato sauce, etc. One of my favorites is a lightly smoked sardine in olive oil from Trader Joe's. Not expensive at all.
     
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    I think the reason 'cheat days' work is because you are not infact 'cheating' as it is a part of the plan. I specifically planned my 'cheat meals' in conjunction with special events, holiday gatherings and nights out to dinner... those plans would become my cheat meals. They also help to suppress cravings. I felt that if i denied myself everything forever, I would be prone to BIG cheats that would be hard to resist.

    I think another key is to make sure the things you ARE eating under a paleo or semi-paleo (or any other diet) is really really tasty. For example, I'd rather have a steak and salad than i would a dense chicken parm for lunch. This is also why i would not eat inferior substitute products like chickenless chicken or some weird soy protein product. There's plenty of delicious and nutritious food out there!
     
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    Paleo is essentially a rich man's fad diet. The doctor who pioneered the diet has been widely discredited, as have many of his sprouts (Wheat Belly, et al ...).

    My problem with the Paleo diet is that is demonizing perfectly healthy foods and radicalizing people into thinking their diet is a superior lifestyle. It blends right in with the Crossfit loonies. People giving up things like whole wheat, brown rice, peas ... Some people take it even further and won't even eat certain fruits and vegetables--which can be part of a well balanced diet--because things like the Glycemic Index and Glycemic Load are misrepresented to make people think it's something that it's not.

    Whole grains and legumes are excellent sources of nutrition and energy. Data suggests, and science agrees, that including them in a well balanced diet, with regular exercise, can improve your health and decrease disease prevalence.

    A strict, prolonged adherence to the Paleo diet, without a significant amount of exercise, could lead to an imbalance in fat intake (too much of it) and put your at higher risk for heart disease. Plus, it's much, much more expensive to eat like this, and is essentially the opposite of sustainable; hence the opening comment.
     
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    Thank you for that, and for jogging my memory...
     
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    There are some excellent recipes using almond flour or tapioca flour. Is that paleo? I don't know for sure. I follow Mark Sisson's blog and books which are similar to paleo but probably not quite as strict.
     
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    Maybe but it seems to work. Seeing the limited resources in this world its good there are people like you who discredit it because not everyone could eat that way..
     
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    Thanks, Guy. It's not a sustainable diet, and it's certainly not something the vast majority of the world's population can realistically adopt--not should they.

    In the short term, if you want to lose weight, and you can afford it, and you exercise regularly, it's fine, and it works. You'll lose weight, and you'll probably feel great. Keep it up for too long, and you're putting yourself at long term health risks, and you're paying a lot of money for food.

    My biggest beef with it (pun intended) is the demonizing of healthy foods and the misinformation.
     
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    Being the OP of this thread i can only say how adopting the Paleo diet has affected my life. I used to be very stiff and sore after matches. I often took Advils to get by. But now that has completely gone and the answer could only be that grains and sugar were getting into my muscles.
    As far as expense, Paleo is really not more expensive. One thing to remember is that when losing weight ie:I lost approx 25lbs. That is 25lbs less i need to feed everyday..so that cost balances out. Plus eating more healthy fats totally negates hunger pangs. The other factors that healthy fats have improved are endurance.
    At 62+I can go all day now, play 3 sets back to back days against players half my age on hard courts. Sleep and sex have improved also so i cannot ever see myself cheating.Why would i? Having a 32 inch waist and a six pack are way better than chewing on a slice of pizza or chocolate cake. You can make most of the same stuff with Paleo ingredients like almond/coconut flour and pure cocoa When you find something that works so well you stay with it.
    There are many books and websites from reputable Doctors that validate the long term detriment of grains (which are a form of sugar that raises insulin levels).
    If you look at top level athletes, most are as lean as possible (TV makes them look heavier) and don't eat as much food as is supposedly needed in some other threads on TT. You'd be surprised how little you really need.
    Here is an informative article that discusses this subject.
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...email&utm_content=mv1&utm_campaign=20131006Z1
     
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    Thank you for sharing comeback!
     
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    I'm extremely happy to hear your success story! I really am; but it's an anecdote that is not applicable to the science in question here. Many of the doctors promoting this diet have been seriously called into question, as have the studies they're citing, or they have been badly misrepresented.

    I'm glad that you're not feeling the pain of the diet's increased costs. Just know that you are considerably more fortunate than many people around the world, that you can afford such a luxurious diet. Hopefully you and your doctor agree that the high-fat diet you're on now is one that you're physically ready for. If so, go for it!

    Anybody that decreases caloric intake and increases exercise will lose weight. Cutting out "grains" altogether necessarily means that you avoid a lot of what should be considered junk food. This will also benefit you, from a health perspective. I'm not, nor would I ever, argue that eating pizza and/or cake is a smart health choice. My primary push back is the mentality that many Paelo's adopt and promote that all grains (and legumes) are bad for you. This excludes the extremely healthy category of whole grains and legumes, and this is especially bad for younger people who have the rest of their lives ahead of them, and may even push this diet onto small developing children. That is dangerous.
     
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    Could you explain this point? Why is cutting out whole grains and legumes especially dangerous for children?
     
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    I am not shure comeback is on a high fat diet. But ofcourse he could better answer that. Rather it is a moderate carb diet (or way of eating), with lots of greens, and a lift in proteins. That does not sound so unhealthy to me.
     
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    Children are still developing and have changing nutritional needs as they age. I don't know about you, but my children will continue to eat a well balanced diet of whole foods, and enjoy the processed treats in extreme moderation. We will stick to dietary regiments supported by empirical evidence.

    Perhaps using the word dangerous was somewhat hyperbolic. I should have said risky. I don't take risks with my children's health, if I can avoid it. What I meant is that (a) you're specifically eliminating entire food groups, and without careful attention, that could result in nutritional deficiency. And (b) some of the people following a low/no carb diet, like Paleo, are increasing their chances for cholesterol related illness because of the increased consumption of saturated fats. Because whole grains and legumes have been proven to provide numerous health benefits, and are recommended as part of a well balanced diet, omitting them from a child's diet is voluntarily denying your child that potential benefit.

    I hear ya. I was generalizing for sure. Low carb / no carb diets tend to be higher fat diets.
     
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    Moderation works well (same as it always has). But it's not very sexy.

    Much better to eat on the extreme side of garbage for years and years and get really fat and unhealthy first. Then adopt an over-the-top healthy lifestyle and talk to anyone who will listen about the joys of (.........). Just fill in the blank with the health fad of your choice (paleo, low-fat, high fat, no carbs, running ultra marathons on a daily basis, etc).

    Try telling people that you eat a balanced, home cooked meal, run a few times a week, and do moderate strength exercises. Talk about boring.

    Now tell people that you lost 400 lbs. eating only bacon, that oatmeal is like eating mercury, you do high intensity interval workouts 4 times a day, 7 days a week while squatting 2.5X your bodyweight. That's sexy with a capital Stepanek.
     
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    That, my friend, was awesome!
     
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    Exept it is straw arguing in the context of this thread.
     

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