Paleo worked for me

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  1. r2473

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    It's hyperbole for sure. It's supposed to be funny.

    My point is that, as Spiral says, you don't have to go to extremes to be healthy. In fact, my unscientific, purely observational opinion is, you will be healthier on average if you follow long-term habits of moderation as opposed to extremes. (Tortoise and the Hare).
     
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    The problem with moderation is that the word itself carries no meaning. What you are basically saying is the SAD is okay. And it probably is for the most part. Longevity and health have very strong genetic components...
     
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    Everything in moderation, used to be taught. These days the term diet seems to refer to a course of food followed for a period of time. I thought it was meant to be something followed for your whole life? I think most people in the west are generally on the see food diet!
     
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    Paleo diets are a bit of a myth given that all our modern food no longer resembles what it was, but modern food is overly weighted to sugars/carbs so anything that counteracts this is mostly good.
     
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    Paleo is a myth? So like if you went back 100,000 years a Wild Salmon would look different? mmmkay.

    Paleo is pricy - but not a myth. We know what foods existed back then - and we still have the same foods available today. They just cost alot.
     
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    Nope. I don't think anyone is saying the Standard American Diet (SAD) is okay. I can't speak for other cultures, but Americans are categorically and willfully ignorant when it comes to select sciences: health, climate, economics, biology, etc ... A huge swath of our population actively denies basic realities that the rest of the world have already adopted: even though we're told otherwise by authorities and governing bodies.

    The FDA, an agency of the US Government, as well as many other organizations, have actually put together a fairly decent guide for individual and family nutrition, and they are constantly updating it as new data becomes available. The problem: too many people are too stupid, selfish, ignorant, or all of the above to follow such simple suggestions, hence the SAD. It's self-inflicted ridiculousness.

    The first part of what you said is absolutely true.

    Anybody who suggest you should live like Paleolithic Man is utterly, and ridiculous, and willfully ignorant. What's much more likely, is that they're just straight up lying to you.
    The Paleolithic Age of human history is not a myth. The Paleo Diet is a brand name, bearing virtually zero resemblance to the actual paleolithic age. People who think they're following their ancestors diets have been hoodwinked beyond imagination. The Paleo Diet's claim to "your ancestors" is absolutely a myth. Here's why:

    The Paleolithic Age extends from as far back as 2,600,000 years ago, to about 10,000 years ago. It's prehistoric. We're talking about a time when homosapiens didn't even exist. It was a time for millions of years that our distant, distant ancestors--the Hominis, not even yet neanderthals--were just starting to craft tools from bones and rocks. In the beginning of this era, the homonis didn't even have control of fire yet. Fire, guys. Fire had not been "discovered" yet. The very earliest, somewhat fringe claims of fire control is about 1.7 millions years ago. Homoerectus started getting this practice down about 400,000 years ago.

    The animals you see, the plants that you see, the food that you eat today bears virtually zero resemblance to anything that existed in the Paleolithic age. Over the course of the last ten thousands years, farming and husbandry has been genetically altering the food and plant supply we use for food through selective breeding, and grafting.

    So, which period of time is your Paleo diet from? Where you not even human yet? Is it from 2.6 million years ago? 1 million? 500,000? 150,000? 10k? Which one is it? This argument is so ridiculous.

    Unless you're bashing raw pieces of meat with rocks and bones and trying to eat them, you're fooling yourself into thinking you're "eating like our ancestors." And that piece of meat you're buying at the supermarket did not exist back then. Where exactly are you getting your prehistoric meat and vegetables from? The vegetables you're eating now did not exist. And even if you say, "fine, I'm following the 10,000 year old diet," you'd still have virtually no idea what you're talking about, nor would it even be possible. The effing wheel hadn't even been invented yet! Hahahahahahaha.
     
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    LOL. last paragraph is gold.

    You have to remember everyone has different goals. Some of us want to be ripped past our 30s, are single and live a more extreme lifestyle in terms of fitness goals. But still, what you are getting at is true - you can't do super extreme diets and workouts everyday for years, you will burn out and potentially damage yourself.

    I think the main thing is to watch bad carbs and/like sugar. That will help out about everybody. If you cut your carbs down and control your insulin, you also control your appetite.

    Then if you want to get more cut and have defined abs..etc you have to learn just to turn up the diet and exercise just enough so it is sustainable. The people that are bad are the ones say wild stuff like - "I used to be fat, now I have lost 80 pounds eating whale blubber and doing fruit juice fasting every day". It's too extreme and not sustainable. I lift weights 2-3 times a week and play tennis the same amount. I may lift twice and play tennis 3 times, but the main point is that's mainly all I do besides some easy runs to and from the gym and it has kept me in really good shape.
     
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    I’m sorry man the video just didn’t do it for me. Hard science, logic, and critical thinking make my head spin.
    Good looking diet gurus and diet experts on TV and the web are way more fun and convincing.
    Congratulation to the OP for your success.
     
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    This is correct. Moderation has no explicit meaning that applies to all persons exactly the same. It is a term of "art", not a term of "science". As such, it is open to interpretation by each person. It assumes that you take an active participation in your own life. It assumes that you are equipped with enough common sense to understand that drinking 50 ounces of soda daily or eating fast food everyday isn't good for you (but that drinking soda or eating fast food on occasion isn't that bad for you either).

    Moderation doesn't suggest that you ignore available information. Quite the contrary. It assumes that you have the intelligence to assimilate the information and make intelligent choices for you own unique situation. What is moderate for me with how much I like to exercise, would not be moderate for most people.

    By the way, "Paleo Diet" is a term of art as well. Nobody really thinks that they are eating like people did 20,000 years ago. It's not meant to be taken literally. The OP is an excellent example of this. He has crafted a "Paleo Diet" to suit his own unique needs and situation. It is probably like no other persons "Paleo Diet". No matter. The OP is smart enough to know what type of diet works best for him given the type of lifestyle he lives / wants to live. He appears to be sensitive to carb consumption, so he has wisely limited his consumption.

    I'm not particularly sensitive to carb consumption. Not everyone is. I've read different things on insulin resistance. It doesn't really seem to apply to me. I don't display any of the common symptoms or effects. I have my biometric screening done every few years. My fasting and non-fasting glucose levels are actually pretty low. I have low bad cholesterol and triglycerides. Normal blood pressure. My weight is fine. As such, moderation for me doesn't have anything to do with avoiding or limiting my consumption of carbs. It's more about eating a balanced meal. And even though I can't explain why, I know that prepared food is not as healthy as what I make at home. I also realize that my home cooked meals are nearly always lower in calories than a restaurant meal. I don't follow any of the latest diet trends, but I'm not in a position that I really need to. Maybe I'm lucky. Or maybe my luck has more to do with the fact that I've been "moderate" as a general rule most of my life. It's actually probably a combination of both (never underestimate the influence of genetics).
     
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    Are you sure comeback is extreme?
     
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    I think that is true.
     
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    Really..? And paleo is not a brand name in the context of this discussion, more a word for a direction of eating. So I suggest we discuss that instead of some extreme interpretation.
     
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    So perhaps you should stop inferring people who does not share your definition of moderation are unartfull, unactively participating in their own life, have no common sense, are unintelligent...
     
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    So why are you inferring that people with other experiences than you are unmoderate or on a wrong track?
     
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    You greatly exaggerate when it comes to 'late Paleo'.. Again a Salmon has existed unchanged for millions of years. Most Salmon breeds are thought to evolve around 7 million years ago.

    So if you ate a diet of wild Salmon and Kale thats pretty close to a real "Paleo" diet - albeit maybe of a local tribal king or something.
     
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    I probably need to take sensitivity classes, but let me ask you this. Are carbs a new invention of the late 20th / early 21st century? How about sugar specifically? Has it been around for a while or is it brand new? It's a rhetorical question of course.

    How about obesity rates? Are they worse now than 50, 100, or 200+ years ago? Again, a rhetorical question.

    So if carbs and sugar, etc have existed for years, yet we are only relatively recently getting quite obese as a population, what do you think is the cause?

    I'll hazard that we are simply eating more and more of this type of stuff (and lots of fat too). In other words, as a population, we are not practicing moderation in our diets.

    It is true that certain people are born with genetics that make them particularly sensitive to sugar / carb consumption. But I suspect that this is a small minority.

    It is also true that certain people have adopted unhealthy diet and exercise habits for many years and that this has contributed greatly to their acquired sensitivity to sugar / carb (and fat) consumption (so called insulin resistance). In fact, I think this is true for quite a few people today. And yes, at this point, the idea of moderation has to change for these people.
     
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    Change equals moderation. You moderate your food intake. There are different ways to do this. Lets have a prejudiceless discussion about that instead of hitting people in the head with your implied subjectives I suggest.
     
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    These are simply different discussions (how did we get to where we are vs. now that we are here, what do we do now).
     
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    I greatly exaggerate, yet you come to the table with one example that doesn't even apply? I hedged my statement adequately, imo. How exactly were prehistoric men hunting and gathering wild salmon? Maybe some figured out how to. They were pretty inventive with their rocks and bone tools, however; unless they lived near a source of wild salmon (they didn't) they were not eating salmon.
     
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    Let me get this straight? You believe that your diet (or anyone's) is actually identical to what any Paleo man ate?
     
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    As the Op of this thread all i can say is of course i am not on a 100% Paleo or early man diet. Paleo is the "trade name" for most of the books and websites that describe this new way of eating. I think we all want to eat healthy here. But you young guys are missing a little of the point. You still have lots of testosterone running thru your body. This testosterone will compensate for a lot of inconsistency in eating/exercising etc.. There are guys who smoke, drink eat bad etc and still feel and look good. As years pass you lose this testosterone and muscle even though i was a college basketball player and played sports and tennis at a high tournament level.
    But starting around 50 i gradually started declining (testosterone??). Yes my blood test showed it..No one loved his lentil soup and steel cut oats more than me. But i was so stiff and sore . Even at 178-180lbs in good shape my body was redistributing and the roll of fat around my waist and love handles appeared more pronounced. A prominent trainer told me the only way to get rid of the love handles was liposuction. So when i researched Testosterone, it led me to Paleo. There is no other way to explain the loss of soreness,increased flexibility and returned muscularity other than eliminating all forms of grains. I cannot see how i am hurting my longevity in any way.
    One thing that i noticed is that my stomach never swells or bloats after eating (even a Thanksgiving type meal). It has to be the grains that used to bloat me and make me tired etc. Read as much as you can, keep an open mind. It takes time and work. Today i played a former German league player 35 years old. A legit 5.0+. I lost 3-6, 6-3, 3-6. But at the end of the match he said he couldn't have lasted much longer. I felt fine. I hit my 8 month Paleo anniversary 2 days ago and will continue to post pictures and my progress.
    Another interesting article on grains http://wellnessmama.com/575/how-grains-are-killing-you-slowly/
     
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    Doesn't apply? You think hunter gathers couldn't spear fish? LMAO. What the heck do you think they ate?
     
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    Identical is not the point really. I hate when opponents take things they are against to extremes beyond the ones they are discussing with. Really an all too easy way of searching something out to oppose to. A special branch of straw arguing.
     
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    Both very legit discusssions.
     
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    Thanks for that professor! Now I know so much more about homini evolution.
     
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    Comeback, I am glad that you are happy.

    Diet, even for Paleo folk was something they did all of the time until they died.

    Do you intend to do the same?

    Diet to most people these days, means a relatively short term thing. Even 2 or 3 years is short term.

    What are the long term effects of such a diet?

    Mostly, people from these times had a relatively short life span , few would live to your age. Indeed if they did live to your age, what would the health implications of such a diet be?

    Have any studies been done on the effect of 60+ years on such a diet?
     
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    I totally agree with you Povl

    .....I was just seeing what Guy had to say. He seems to have other opinions

     
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    You're right that "identical" is not the point. But have you looked at those Paleo books or websites? They are definitely, without question, selling you "science" that you are emulating Paleolithic man, your distant ancestors. That's what I was calling BS on.

    I don't believe my example, highlighting just what prehistoric man was doing and eating, was a strawman argument. It was an argument to illustrate that these books, blogs, and gurus are selling you a load of crap when they are attempting to convince you that you're actually eating like your prehistoric ancestors.
     
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    These are very good questions.
    Yes, my intention is very long term. Right now it is a way of life. I seldom if ever yearn for processed grains or sugars because i have substitutes.

    Long term effects: no one knows but the science and long term effects of grains is only coming out now after many years. My opinion is that people in 60's now have diseases that stemmed from grains but are not directly associated with grains because it's a gradual thing that takes years to take effect. While i love my country as a former Viet Nam Vet and my son currently overseas serves in the Marine Corps, i don't believe the Government has our best interests at heart because of the food industry. They lose a ton of money paying out social security benefits if you live past 78 years old which is the US Male death rate ranking us 33rd in the world. This is a disgrace considering our technological advances. Could it be grains?

    On a personal basis I think it's easy to know how this diet is working. How do you feel? How do you look? How is your flexibility/muscularity. Another important issue is testosterone levels in your blood work.
    This is another controversial topic but Cholesterol does not necessarily need to be low, depending on other factors regarding your present condition ie: weight and sugar levels.
     
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    I'm glad your enjoying your lifestyle choice.

    But the science is relatively clear on this one. Sure, advances might be made, and perhaps some things might eventually prove to be wrong, but the evidence overwhelmingly supports whole grains and legumes as beneficial to a well balanced diet.

    There is no credible scientific support that says consumption of whole grains as part of a balanced diet causes diabetes, or some of the other ailments the salesmen of the Paleo lifestyle/diet claim. There have been some studies--frequently cited Paleo advocates--that suggest there might be some correlations between the excessive consumption of grains (80% or more of caloric intake) in impoverished third world countries, but they are not causal conclusions, and most of them appear to be metastudies, and not actual trials.

    "Could it be grains?" you ask. This is classic conspiracy diction. Could it be because Power Rangers was cancelled back in the 90's? Could it be the increase in people who like reality TV? Could it be martians?

    Scientists have asked, "what do grains do?" And they have studied them, and come to well known conclusions.

    Your closing paragraph is one of the strongest reasons why diets like this continue in popularity. They rely on people expressing positive reinforcing anecdotes.

    Again, I'm genuinely happy that you're enjoying your new lifestyle, I'm just here to express my position on the drummed up controversy.
     
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    Not to take anything away from you, but I suspect the main reason for your success is that you’ve already had a good foundation in terms of your diet, physiology, lifestyle, genetic, knowledge… just to name a few. You just modify what you had to make it better. However, the long-term effects of that remain to be seen.
    I wonder how many people out there who are nowhere close to your situation try the same eating habits and fail. We don’t hear about them, do we?

    Without googling I can comfortably assume that’s the new eating style is just another clever way of recycling, repackaging, and relabeling of old ideas. Just add a catchy name to it and put the media machine to work and a lot of people are going to jump at the idea. Sure the new diet may immediately help a few, but for most it’s nothing more than unwanted distraction. We have way more information than we ever need, but we often rely on opinions rather than facts.

    It’s been proven that with money people can drastically alter their weight for a short period of time. Professional athletes, actors, bodybuilders… have done this. Of course they all have a whole team of experts and personal chefs behind them to make it work. Whether it’s healthy or not is another debate.

    I believe that for the majority of our population, the whole diet dilemma is not lack of knowledge but rather execution. It’s a complex journey and most of us are left to figure this out on our own. As a nation, the odds are not in our favor.
     
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    I congratulate the OP on his success. I think his new diet (way of eating) is great.

    I think Paleo is a fine diet (way of eating). I don't think it's unhealthy to cut back or even eliminate grains. I think long term it will prove quite healthy (for adults; not so sure it's a good idea for children that are still growing and developing). I simply think Paleo is really, really hard to maintain (for most people) and unnecessarily drastic (for most people). But if you can do it, keep it up long term, and it is a lifestyle you enjoy, I say go for it.

    Most people however will probably see noticeable benefits by employing less drastic measures. And for long term success, probably a less drastic approach will work better for most people IMO.

    But if Paleo works and makes you happy, I say go for it. My mother-in-law (who is in her mid-sixties) adopted a Paleo diet a few years ago. She lost and has kept off about 15 lbs. (and she wasn't overweight to begin with) and just loves the Paleo lifestyle. She reports much higher energy levels and better biometric numbers (cholesterol, blood pressure, fasting glucose, etc). It works for her.

    PS: Let's not forget that the OP is 62. Everyone knows that it's tough to keep off the weight as we age. For me (20 years younger), Paleo doesn't look like a great idea. But that could change as I get older (and something I'll keep in mind). Anyway, thanks for sharing your experiences OP, and here's hope for your continued success.
     
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    Very solid comments. It's very disheartening to see people brush off the sciences as a second or third hand information source.
     
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    It would probably be hard to find studies that show it is dangerous to substitute grains with greens.

    Balanced post, thank you.
     
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    I hope you continue to enjoy the benefits.
     
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    I started this thread and want to update: i had my one year Paleo anniversary on March 4th 2014.. I am currently 5' 9" weigh around 148 (bodyfat apprx 12%) down from 178 (30% bodyfat) a year ago. [​IMG]

    All aspects of my life have improved ie, tennis, sleep, sexual perfomance, endurance, energy, appearance, minimal soreness, recovery, flexibility, muscle tone , running speed. Even my hair loss has stopped although i'm not growing new hair. My testosterone level 18 months ago was low at 325. Now it has skyrocketed to 753, an unheard of figure for an almost 63 year old male. Just think of the athletes and other males who are taking testosterone injections/supplements etc.

    I have devised my own paleo blueprint by eliminating ALL grains and grain products that includes seeds, processed sugar and incorporating good fats like coconut oil, avocado, nuts. On occasion i will eat lugumes. I do have some whole milk and homeade plain yogurt. Paleo deserts include carob and raisen almond flour cookies and chocolate brownies made with coconut flour and plain cocoa powder..There is also paleo pizza, plantain lasagna and eggplant parmigiana..All just made with different flours. Food made paleo style is more delicious than if made with conventional flours.

    Paleo guru Chris Kessler (just google him) was recently on Dr Oz to explain the misconceptions people have about paleo and how to form your own paleo system..This is a also great website http://www.marksdailyapple.com/

    I'm about 5 lbs over in this picture at around 153 lbs as i just returned from a week of eating at a 5 star all inclusive resort in the carribean.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Great results Comeback!!!

    My 68 year old mother-in-law has been doing Paleo for at least the past 5 years and reports similar positive results. She was in good shape when she started, but now she is about 20 lbs. lighter and all of her biometric test scores have improved markedly.

    She actually enjoys living the Paleo lifestyle and doesn't find it at all restrictive. How about you? Are you still staying on course?
     
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    Thanks for asking r2473 and i'm very happy for your mother in law.

    PLEASE: IF YOU ARE A PRO GRAIN PERSON GO TO THE THREAD "GRAINS VS NO GRAINS.
    I hesitate to use the term "Paleo" because it's become a cult like word. Several knowledgeable people with great results had told me about paleo but having to give up my precious oatmeal, cereal, bagel, pasta, deserts, pizza was a thought that i could not conceive. I would even justify myself by googling "dangers of paleo" to convince myself of reasons NOT to try it.
    Growing up i was an All Star in Little league, all county high school player in 3 sports basketball, baseball,football and later a college basketball player. After a stint in the US Army i worked in the corporate world for 20 years (while still playing) .The next 20 years worked as a certified personal trainer and certified tennis teaching pro (still am). i was in great shape playing 4.5-5.0 level 6 pack abs 5'9" 170 etc. At around age 45 things very gradually deteriorated, back, arm, prostate, hair loss, muscle loss, low testosterone, body shape changes, hard to lose weight, soreness, less flexibility etc. I read several books about low testosterone and it led me to Paleo.
    Starting paleo wasn't easy but i really wanted it . i wanted to ski and play basketball and tennis with my 2 sons and be active with my 3 grandchildren. So on March 7th 2013 i threw all grain and sugar products in the garbage. I have outlined the food i eat in other posts and believe me the food is better and not more expensive. I eat almost everything i ate before just made with natural ingredients that don't raise insulin levels.
    Most or all of my above problems have improved tremendously. It takes time for your body to adjust from carb burning mode to fat burning. I don't have to live my life in constant hunger anymore eating excercise bars before matches or trying to burn calories. If i never played another set of tennis,i would stay at approx 150lbs
    There is a lot of scientific information on grains causing inflammation which later on in life leads to heart and other disease.
    This next statements will definitely turn people off and some will consider me a "flake" but i really don't care.
    I don't consider grains in any form "real food". IMHO grains are like shaved wood chips that infiltrate your system and muscles causing long term damage. Take a piece of bread and squeeze it in your hand. It just forms a small glue like goo that doesn't digest as well as natural food.
    If anyone wants to argue the value of grains please go to the grains vs no grain thread or do a paleo blueprint for a year instead of criticising something you've never tried.
    At least some people are honest and just say they couldn't live without grains, bread and processed sugar products. If you really want results and are willing to do the "hard yards" it might change your life.
    There is a reason 5900 have viewed this thread so far. People are very interested but cannot take the plunge. If anyone is serious about trying paleo i will privately help them. Just leave your email.
    READ THIS WHOLE THREAD IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND LOOK UP THE LINKS I PROVIDED.
     
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    I don't consider grains in any form "real food". IMHO grains are like shaved wood chips that infiltrate your system and muscles causing long term damage. Take a piece of bread and squeeze it in your hand. It just forms a small glue like goo that doesn't digest as well as natural food.


    Bread is made by the Chorleywood Process, rather than by either sourdough or yeast based baking.

    The glue like goo nature of bread is the result of industrialised bread-making processes, and has nothing to do with grain.
     
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    But I am not sure that Chorleywood Process or not really changes the nutritional value or effect of grains all that much.
     
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    I seriously doubt that, but the thing here is that the glue like goo character of bread is due to that method of making it. And the inference that this chareristic is due to bread itself is wrong.


     
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    Ok Bartelby, with all due respect. Most google searches state that 80% of bread made in this world is by the charleywood process thus turning it into a solidified wallpaper paste. There is so much info now not to feed ducks/geese bread. Why do humans even eat it?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-ducks-bread-birds-hooked-starchy-foods.html
     
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    Yes, I know 80% eat Chorleywood bread but that means a lot of people may be having problems due to this style of bread rather than grains per se.

    They would be better off converting to paleo.

    Chorleywood is cheap and people have been mis-educated into thinking this is bread for several generations.

    There should be a 'purity law' for bread so that only breads using a few key ingredients can be classified as bread.



     
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    In my experience the (negative) immidiate effects of grains, in my case bloodsugar plunge, tiredness is also evident in full grain, slow baked (or what you call it) bread. Or unbaked for that matter. Not having too much, going for full grain and combining with a good amount of protein seems to help minimise this, but not nullify it.
     
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    If you have a meal of grain-based carbs you can get a bit of post-meal tiredness but the afternoon siesta is not just because of the heat.

    It is also because the main meal is in the middle of the day, so is a bit of tiredness a real problem or abnormal in any way?


     
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    In addition to tiredness, eating bread products would make my stomach protrude for several hours after. You'll see many people have to unhook their belt buckle after eating. Currently our eyes have gotten used to seeing a belly on almost everyone so now it's a normal thing.
     
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    Have you been medically diagnosed with a condition?

    What and how much did you eat for this condition to occur?



     
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    Absolutely no medical condition, i was tested several times for gluten intolerence but NEVER had it..I just ate the SAP (standard American diet)
     

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