Discussion in 'Former Pro Player Talk' started by PanchoGonzalesTheGreatest, Sep 6, 2012.
That was great. It made me laugh. Thanks!
I was not referring to the spelling of his first name. I was pointing out that his own fans cannot spell his last name consistently, even days after being corrected.
And as I've explained, Richard Gonzales is anglicised, i.e. English language. Ricardo Alonso Gonzalez is his real Spanish language name. Pancho was his nickname, as it's only usually used for men with the first name Francisco, like Francisco "Pancho" Segura, not for men with the first name Ricardo.
It's like Johan Cruyff (English language), Johan Cruijff (Dutch language).
there´s traditionally 2 kinds of tough guys: the cooky, street fighter guy like Connors,Gonzales,Becker,Mac and, somehow, even Nadal and recently Djokovic and the cool, iced, rational guys like Laver ( he was more of a mixture, though), Rosewall,Lendl,Borg,Wilander,Sampras and Federer.
it is just a matter of style and personality.it does not make you stronger menthally whether you are cooky or you are cold as an ice block.
When did "Gonzalez" start being used as spelling? About forty years after he retired?
That was his real name.
But he appeared to accept "Gonzales", even in his own autobiography. How did he sign his cheques?
Just like Johan Cruijff excepted "Cruyff". Gonzales is anglicised, Gonzalez is the Spanish language version of his name. He accepted Gonzales and Gonzalez, as well as Richard and Ricardo. I'm not sure what he thought of the nickname Pancho, though. I've even heard rumours that he disliked the Pancho nickname.
Check out the spelling on the court that Gonzalez played on in this video at about 2:25. I do know for a fact the family prefers that his name be spelled Gonzalez.
I think Pancho Gonzalez was the ultimate warrior in tennis history and the amazing Pasarell victory was his defining moment.
He is overrated in that as much as he is underrated on other things
Gonzales was a great warrior but no more than 10 or 20 other players
Looking angry does not make you tougher
Borg was cooler than Connors but owned left and right Jimmy mentaly
I cannnot judge the date, looks like late 1960's, but in his prime, you only saw "Gonzales", including his own autobiography (the final test).
Except the real final test is that his family prefers the z at the end.
I agree Kiki but I will say that Gonzalez could be argued to be as tough as any player that ever lived.
Look at the title of this thread.
They probably also preferred "Ricardo" instead of "Richard".
Ricardo Gonzalez belongs to his family, but Pancho Gonzales, the moniker the man himself used on his autobiography, belongs to history.
The distinction is easy. Use "Ricardo Gonzalez" when contacting his family (or himself in his later years), and "Pancho Gonzales" when discussing tennis history.
Arthur Ashe was a personal friend of Gonzales, and even took excursions with him. He always called him "Richard", never "Pancho", although most in the 1950's, including his friends, used "Pancho" when talking with Gonzales, and "Segoo" for Segura.
Well, as I've mentioned, Pancho is generally used as a shortened name for Francisco. Segura's name is Francisco Olegario Segura, so when he's called Pancho, it's short for Francisco (like say Tony is for Anthony). Segura's nickname is Segoo.
Gonzales' name was Ricardo Alonso Gonzalez, and was sometimes anglicised to Richard Gonzales. Gonzales' nickname was Pancho (unlike with Segura, where Pancho is a shortened version of Francisco), which was regularly used.
You've got to kidding. :shock:
I know Pancho was a great warrior but mental toughness also includes capability to absorb pressure,cool and smart thinking and ability to switch tactics and change a given pattern
Laver was excelent in those points
I don't think "cool" (as in headed) would ever be applied to Pancho.
He was one of the fieriest players of all time.
Interesting article from exactly 50 years ago today...
Everyone piling on to gloat over this particular Gonzales failure, including SI - "aging Pancho Gonzalez made a pathetic bid to come back". Sheesh. And apparent lack of irony regarding the outrage over Gonzales getting an appearance fee, even with the mention of Trabert getting more money during their pro tour a few years earlier.
I wasn't there, and there are (at least) two sides to every story, but one can only imagine the sh*t Gonzales had to eat, being brown-skinned and not inclined to kowtow to the tennis establishment. No wonder he was bitter!
In hindsight the reports of his demise were a tad premature - he gave em all a little more Hell before all was said and done.
Also interesting: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1026099/index.htm
Nature, or nurture?
BTW, Mike Agassi himself no peach by most accounts.
Pancho a Film by Gino Tanasescu
( Tennis starts about 26 minutes in for the impatient. )
At the beginning of the film that's a young Dabney Coleman pestering Pancho to get the camera into his room pre-match.
Interesting to note that at the 1969 Las Vegas tournament featured in the film mentioned above Gonzales at age 41 dispatched first Newcombe (then 25) in straights, Rosewall (then 35) dropping one set, and Ashe (then 26) in straights in a best of five final!
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