Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by anointedone, Aug 20, 2007.
Patrick McEnroe I find a terrible commentator. Is he the worst commentator in all of tennis?
No he isn't but he is far from the best. Have you ever heard Katrina Adams on the Tennis Channel? She is horrible. She is the worst commentator ever. She comes across as an idiot too.
I personally hate him as a commentator for many reasons. He states the most obvious and irrelevant things (like John Madden in football). He has a rather annoying voice. He thinks he knows EVERYTHING (you can hear Cliff Drysdale get annoyed with him as well). I hate his stupid "EYE DROPPER!" crap. Whenever a player makes a good shot he says "federer-like" which is completely disrespectful to the player who made the shot (he should get credit for his own shot). I think John McEnroe is WAYYYY better. He's a lot more entertaining and gives good critiques of the players.
Ohhh tennispro11 reminded me. I think I may hate Mary Carillo the MOST.
No I have never heard her. I mostly follow the main cable stations, and he is the worst on those for sure.
I will have to try and hear Adams commentate a match now.
No i dont believe he is the worst but hes also not the best either. However i dont like it when Pmac constantly interrupts other commentators when they are talking. The best commentator in the game today is of course his brother, John McEnroe. I think some of the commentators on the Tennis Channel might not be the best maybe because of there lack of experience compared to some of the commentators on ESPN who has been doing this for years.
Yeah he is very annoying and smug sounding. He does come across as a know-it-all type, and really full of of it. I also hate his dumb "EYE DROPPER" comments ad nauseum, they drive you up the wall after awhile. He is also incredibly biased to American players, especialy his Davis Cup homeys. His mockery of players regularly ranked 30-50ish range (excluding ones who might be involved in his Davis Cup plans) is ludricious considering he was no better then that in his own career.
Oh yeah I totally agree with you guys who already said John rocks as a commentator. Many times better then his dorky brother.
His brother was better.
i like john and i don't mind patrick either. i agree that katrina adams is horrible, as is dick enberg. the best commentators are the guys on the tennis channel who broadcast men's tournaments from europe, such as monte carlo, rome, and hamburg. one was american, one british, and one south african. i wish i knew their names but they are the best in the game. i'm a big fan of darren cahill as well. brad gilbert and luke jensen are clowns who bring nothing to the commentary.
I think patrick is one of the best comentators behind daren cahill. I also like brad gilbert
OMFG Dude! You hit the nail right on the head. I really do hate Mary Carillo and all her mannish ways. :evil: Still I don't know if she is as bad as Katrina Adams. I have to put my sound on mute.
Exactly my thoughts!
If you were a former pro tennis player you are already a better commentator than anyone who has not played pro tennis. That formula counts for any type of sport, trade & skill out there. That person might not be as good of an eloquent speaker as (for example) that guy from NBC, but that person has professional knowledge regarding what they are talking about, and that is what educates and entices the viewer to keep watching!
All analyst guys though have played professional tennis. That does not make Patrick any better then any of the others. In fact Patrick and Mary Carillo are two of the least successful players to ever get high profile commentary jobs. In an article I saw Mary basically admited she lucked out and told the story how it started. Patrick of course lucks out that you know who is his older brother, otherwise no way in hell he has any of his current jobs, in the booth, or Davis Cup Captain.
The play-by-play guys like Enberg, Fowler, etc....have a different role, so the same does not apply to them neccessarily. Their job is different, not neccessarily requiring the same personal experience of playing professional tennis, and they do their job, which is different then Patrick's, better IMO then Patrick does his.
They do all of the ATP Tennis Master Series Tournaments. Their names are from the U.S. Doug Adler, from the U.K. Jason Goodall, and from South Africa Robbie koenig. I think these guys are the best announcers in tennis. They don't talk during the point, they are not overly chatty, they always stay focused on the match. Also in these ATP master Series telecast you don't have a idiot like Dick Enberg or Chris Fowler dumbing down the commentary. You have all former tennis Pro's talking to each other about the match. I find it like you are sitting in on their conversation about the match.
He is a Legend in the making. You should hear him cover up all the mistakes Cliff makes. and His match analysis rivals that of best ever.
Yes! Those guys are really good at what they do. I really enjoy listening to the matches they cover. They really make the people who do it for Espn sound like retards.
I agree. I just read on wikipedia that she is 'childhood friends' with John McEnroe. Is that how she got a commentator job?
You Cannot Be Serious?
What kind of "different" job do you mean anointedone? They are standing right next to the PRO commentator and are commenting their views of what they see. And you obviously hear their mistakes once in a while because they are NOT pros at what they comment about.... And luckily they get corrected by the PRO commentator next to them once in a while... who, on the back of their minds are probably laughing, just like we -- the TV viewers -- do, when we hear Enberg say something stupid.
Can't STAND p-mac. "That is just nasty!" My ten year-old cousins used to say that to describe something disgusting. And this was twenty years ago. J-mac is far less irritating. Dick and "Cliffy" irk the bageezus out of me too. I pretty much just like Cahill and J-mac.
At least he better than Brad Gilbert. Ah.....both also very annoying.
Brad Gilbert's match analysis is so right on that many pros say they want to work with brad as soon as he is done with andy.
Yeah, Brad Gilbert definitely knows what he is talking about. For sure. I enjoy his commentating as well. Not as much as Cahill though.
Everyone got their different taste of life...............
Here are my picks, the Best and Worst:
Jason Goodall - Always "spot on"
Robbie koenig - Just gets it.
Doug Adler - Unbiased and insightful.
John McEnroe - Genius
Patrick McEnroe - Very few know the game as much as Patrick. I'm just guessing here but my guess is he even knows more than most of the posters on TT. Are there any other Davis Cup captains here at Talk Tennis?
Brad Gilbert - Almost as good as JMac.
Cliff Drysdale - He's better now than his earlier years when he was too redundant but he's a good match with Pmac. I like how he changes with the times. He's a good sport.
Mary Jo Fernandez - She knows the game and doesn't say anything stupid.
Mary Carillo - She was actually once pretty good in the early 80's now she rambles on at the wrong time and I don't believe she's conscious of it.
Ted Robinson - The male Carillo only worse.
Dick Enberg - As knowlegeable as he is, he's just too goofy. Time to bow out like Bud please.
Katrina Adam - What is TC thinking.
Barry MacKay - Kind of annoying with his outdated historics and makes chewing sounds during matches.
I like Pat McEnroe. He isn't the best but he is far from the worst. That would be Dick Enberg.
I dont listen to comentators while watching a match. Dont think I should be bombardded with what I can handle myself. I simply read the comments after the match and analyse it myself, I find this the best way to enjoy tennis.
PMac may be an acquired taste. I couldn't stand him years ago,but he's grown on me. I also like another TT maligned figure, M Carillo. someone disparaged her bonafides, but i've heard she has a grand slam title (w/JMac: his 1st). What I wish the networks would do: shot/stoke analysis (like yu see on golf coverage) and other instructional tips. someone like a McEnroe or Cahill or Gilbert breaking down the various forehands of Federer-- that would be GOOD TV.
I don't think he's instrinsically bad, he just has to be biased and playing to general public because of his role as Davis Cup captain and brother of JM. So I actually think he makes dumb comments on purpose as part of his job. I really like those two guys who were commentating Toronto early on, but not sure of their names. One of them sounded like his name was "Skinner" and one sounded like he had South African accent, but I am not too sure (could have been the same one).
I like P Mac. But I think he went a bit too much of Federer fan lately.
I found it funny to see him and Drysdale went dead silent for
about 30 minutes while Federer was losing his battle against Djokovic
in the 3rd set.
I imagine I'm not the only one that hates P McEnroe's commentary, yet despises Mary "I'm ridin' John McEnroe's coat tails all the way" Carillo.
PMac is ok. He was the worst when he was the chief cheerleader/@sslicker for Andy Roddick a few years back. Jim Lampley is the worst. Remember when he did Wimby?
Hadn't known that about Carillo, but how can you not say the same about PMac? In fact, I wonder how people would feel about PMac if his last name WASN'T McEnroe?
PMac was a solid tennis pro. Carillo's only claim to fame was being John McEnroe's childhood friend and mixed doubles partner.
Pat McEnroe made the semis of the Aussie Open I believe. I don't know, maybe I'm full of it.
Really? Is that why he falsely picked Agassi to beat Federer in the 2004 U.S Open quarters, Blake to beat Federer in the 2006 U.S Open quarters(ROTFL at that pick), Roddick to beat Federer in the 2006 U.S Open final, and Roddick to beat Federer in the 2007 Australian Open semis? If anything I would say the reverse is true sometimes, particularly when it comes to the American men.
In the same way a wart or a fungus grows on someone.
Pmac reminds me of a sleazy politician. Tells partial truths, trys to spin everything to his viewpoint. He is so jaded toward Roddick, nothing he says, has any credibility. This guy picks Roddick to win, regardless of who he is playing, and picks Nadal not to do well on grass, or fast surfaces. I usually have to turn the sound down when he starts up.
That and they were grand-slam winning mixed doubles partners...she was a good player in her own right although had a very short career.
Mary Carillo is the worst. She never shuts up. She's always rambling about some worthless stat during the points. I hate hearing her voice.
Pat mac is Ok with me, but he is a little biased towards his american players (mostly roddick) I admit that and Im an american and a roddick fan.
J-mac is the man I love watching matches that he calls
Brad Gilbert is a great commentator too.
Ted Robinson is a constantly smiling overly joyous moron.
Darren Cahill is the man
No, he's not the worst. He and Cliffy make a good team, esp when they bicker in the booth covering Aus Open. Cliff is getting a little old, and he still sounds like a science teacher when he describes a pro's service motion with slow motion footage. Worst is Dick Enberg, bleh.
Patricks not the worst, he's decent, Brad Gilbert was the best out of all of them.
Being in the UK, haven't been exposed to Patrick McEnroe.
John McEnroe is a natural, he should commentate every big match but the BBC has to share him with the American networks.
Andrew Castle, Chris Bailey, and John Lloyd (all ex British pros) are all very good.
But I cannot stand Jimmy Conners, we had him for the Wimbledon final and after each rally he would make a "umm" sound before starting a sentence. So annoying and completely ruined the match for me.
Boris Becker is quite funny with his broken English and dry sense of humour.
Tracy Austin - good for the womens game, but looks like a shrivelled up prune. Sorry Tracy.
If Dick Enberg & Patrick McEnroe were in the booth together, who would turn off their sets or watch the match on mute? gaaaaaaaaaaaah.
If there were commentator rankings...
1. Jason Goodall - Always has interesting things to say, smooth voice and never rambles on about things not relating to the match or the players on hand, love his style.
2. Robbie Koenig - Pretty much the same as Jason, though he has to commentate with PMac-wannabe Kevin Skinner so he loses a few points.
3. Doug Adler - Can come off as a bit angry at times but is almost always correct in his assessments of players, he and Goodall make a great team.
4. Darren Cahill - Sometimes gets caught up in the randomness of PMac and the gang but for the most part is unbiased and keeps his focus on the match.
10. John McEnroe - Unfortunately always commentates with Mary Carillo, loses points on that front.
20. Luke Jenson - Interesting comments, doesn't talk too much. Has gotten much better over the years and is now enjoyable, even though his comments about Rafa at Wimby were horrible.
21. Chris Fowler - Didn't like him at first but he's necessary, moves along the commentary and is good for the casual fan, he also has improved a lot from when he first started.
22. Mary Joe Fernandez - Knows what she's talking about, can make some interesting comments and knows to keep quiet during points.
50. Cliff Drysdale - Boring...in love with Rafa, slowly slipping down into the commentators version of retirement.
200. Patrick McEnroe - When Roddick/Nadal/Blake/Federer aren't involved he can be ok, otherwise completely biased...oh wait those are the only matches he ever commentates for...
453. Barry McKay - Reminds me of John Madden...has almost nothing productive to say...ever
657. Dick Enberg - ...Eh
660. Pam Shriver - ...
1450. Ted Robinson - Where do I start...I won't, annoying.
12039495049. Mary Carillo - Incredibly biased...contradicts herself wayyyy too much, biased...annoying voice...laughs when players are hitting, terrible jokes...V.V
agreed, mary carillo is the worst commentator, ever.
I have watched a couple of Wimbledon dvds with British commentators and it was nice and relaxing. A lot of the American commentators TALK TOO MUCH.
Hey, no applause for Jim Courier? He's not that annoying at all, which is a plus, since most others are.
Pat Mac is simply dumb---look at him on the sidelines during Davis Cup action---he looks clueless, which is not a plus for the team.
Martina Navratilova was pretty good on the tennis channel a few months ago. Love Brad Gilbert and Cahill who incidently correctly predicted that djokovic was the favourite going into the masters semi final against nadal
Hate ted robinson and his annoying questions all the time. thats all he does ask questions
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