penetrating slice tips

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  1. TomT

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    Federer vs Youzhny (many sliced backhands in one great point)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igicoafWhT0

    Djokovic slomo slice backhands
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmwlTzu9GN4

    Djokovic slomo slice backhand
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFThz9QDYGo

    Roddick slomo slice backhand
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI-5Unf3Zxc

    Murray slomo slice backhand
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY0thWMP4Ak

    Graf slice backhand vs S. Williams
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWDF67zvZCo

    slice backhand instructional vid
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HTHy8qYR2M
     
  2. LeeD

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    I've always advocated a conti grip with a slight twist towards EasternForehand for a heavy skidding slice shot.
    You take it late, you lean forwards, you close your stance, and you slice firmly high to low, aiming to keep the ball less than 3' above the netcord, and aiming for at least deep NML.
     
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    LeeD is a legend.
     
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    I've always aggravated....
     
  5. LeeD

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    I do that too, and it seems to affect lots of posters here and everywhere.
    Still, a serve that bother's me won't bother RogerFederer.
     
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    Ditto the Ken Rosewall BH.

    I've seen a video long time ago where his BH "slice" was described as a "knocker":

    1. NOT chopping thru the bottom of the ball, but "knock" or push it forward *firmly*.

    2. Racket face almost vertical, finished facing the right instead of facing upward like a regular backspin slice.

    3. For returning high bouncing topspin shots, use a side-armed "semi-smash" motion, kinda like a squash/racketball high BH.

    Gee... I think this down-the-line shot can pissed off even Nadal :)
     
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    This is true, I think. But then, so is JoelDali. Come to think of it, you, Pickle9, are something of a legend ... in my mind. Hmmm. Is it possible that my criteria for conferring legendary TT status are ... too limited? Or, have certain of your witty replies allowed you entry into a pantheon of elite, and perhaps immortal in a certain limited sense, TT posters? Is it possible that after less than 300 TT posts so many of them are of such high caliber that you have become, in the eyes of many, or the few, a TT legend? Hmmmm. Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

    Nevertheless, I hope you (and LeeD, and JoelDali, etc. etc. etc.) continue posting in your unique modes or styles or whatevers. It's definitely most entertaining (and, hopefully, motivating ... though in what sense that term might be applicable I don't know) for dilettantes such as myself.

    If this was a bit off topic, well, excuse me, get over it. Then again, I do think that the question of how to hit penetrating slices had been adequately answered before this post. Then again, that wasn't the OP. The OP asked for videos of advanced penetrating slice technique(s). So ... post some videos of advanced penetrating slice technique(s).

    And, just like that ... they were back on topic.
     
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    Bravo10char
     
  9. TomT

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    Thanks Pickle. Is that the highest accolade? I hope so, because I put quite a bit of effort into that post. Lots of stress.

    Hello ... videos anyone?
     
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    Well, it's the best I could think of. You've made the GOATers of Tennis Talk the greatest forum on the Internet for discussing all things that are and are not tennis proud.

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    Yes, and that seems important to a good slice that slides of skids.
     
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    You are way too humble. Those are excellent slices.
     
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    Hmmm, I love that piece of advice. I have started to abandon my 2hbh and play a predominently one handed slice. Thinking about what you said, and my match last night, it fits pretty well. When I was aiming at a spot, the shot came off pretty well, when just hitting the ball, I tended to pop it up.

    Nice tip, thanks!
     
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    some nice ones. We're going to be in Ft. L for Miami Open. You want to get together and trade slices?
     
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    @ Pickle9,
    :) haha, most entertaining. Would you call those potential internet memes? Or what?

    @ thecode,
    Thanks. Yes, those aren't bad slices. However, regarding being too humble, I don't think so. If we ever play, then you'll see why. I make lots of stupid errors. Anyway, yeah I guess one could take the humble thing to an unacceptable extreme, but I've learned that, in general, and in moderation, humble (which sort of goes hand in hand with thankful) is a good attitude to have. If only because it, apparently, generates a lot less hostility than, say, boastful arrogance. (But there are other, much more important, reasons to be humble and thankful.) Unless the goal is to annoy the crap out of one's opponent, and then boastful, or even quiet, arrogance can, unfortunately, be quite an effective gaming or psychological ploy. But I only want to win because I played better than my opponent, not because I annoyed the crap out of him/her. :)
    Although, come to think of it, if I happen to win partly because my outgoing and positive, yet humble and thankful, personality happens to annoy the crap out of an arrogant opponent, then I'm quite happy to take that. :)

    @ dennis10is,
    I assume you're referring to the Sony Open March 18-31 at the Crandon Park Tennis Center on Key Biscayne. Thanks for reminding me. Wow, that's right around the corner isn't it. I do want to catch a couple days of it if I can. Currently still recovering from a recent Crohn's flare. Another colonoscopy March 12 (then probably a new medication regimen). But would love to trade slices with you while you're down here if I'm able. I probably won't be full strength competitive during the interval of the Open, but hopefully will be able to at least hit ok.
    You can contact me via my Talk Tennis profile.
     
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    I bought a pickle pump on 8th Ave tonight and I'm afraid to try it.

    Anyone ever use one of these things?
     
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    I was looking for XXS and they don't have it.

    I was hoping to pump mine up to XS.
     
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    no competition from me. I just want some relaxing bh to bh slice exchanges during the Florida sun.
     
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    As well you should be. On 8th Ave? Yes, definitely exercise extreme caution. The 7 P's come to mind.

    In the words of the Maharishi Rajiv Vinderneau during a break in one of his seminars during which he would berate various musical instruments:

    One wonders what he might have said about the infusion of powdered petrified pterodactyl penis, the rarest of all preparations, had he lived through the procedure.

    Or am I missing your point?
     
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    Great. I should be able to do that. Looking forward to it.
     
  23. Povl Carstensen

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    Yes, I think there is a point in adding sidespin, or more precisely, combining underspin and sidespin. You get a lot of bite on the ball, but if it was all underspin it could easily float.
     
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    Sometimes you face slices that just seem to shoot through the court, and barely seem to get up after the bounce...and you think, how did they do that?

    Answer: (besides an obliging court surface), PACE. More pace, more skidding angle.

    Pace is the word
     
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    I got scared and returned it. My dog looked at me funny when I took it out of the bag. I hate to upset him further.
     
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    :) Gotta trust that doggy sixth sense (then again, also gotta consider that these are animals that greet each other with an inordinate amount of butt sniffing).

    In any case ... beware 8th Ave bargains.
     
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    I agree with these statements. As an illustration, and since the OP didn't specify just backhands (so I assume forehand examples are ok as well ... see, eg., the forehand slices, especially Dolgopolov, in some of the pro vids I linked to in previous posts in this thread), here's an example of an effective, somewhat biting, skidding, sidespun forehand slice that won a point against a higher rated (and much younger) opponent of mine late last year. (Note: It's a very short vid of just one return of serve, in slow and slower motion, and you can actually see it curving, in flight, away from my opponent.)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_DpLW9a88w
     
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    Regarding my posts #71 and #77, I do hope that my rather lame attempts at humor didn't offend anyone. If anyone was actually offended, then perhaps you just need to get out a bit more.

    In any case, I vow to refrain from any similar behavior in the future. (Oh. I just noticed that I have my fingers crossed. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahaha.)

    Videos people, videos.
     
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    I'm sorry Tom, but I'm so busy helping people here that I don't have time to make a video to demonstrate. I look at myself in the mirror and I humbled just to think that the glorious person I see is me. I'm so kind, so giving.
     
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    Did you forget brilliant and dynamically good looking? Which, in addition to the glorious humbleness and magnanimity that you mentioned, is what I see when I look in the mirror ... which is often and long.
    And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

    We should have an interesting hitting/playing session considering our combined wonderfulness.

    But I can't let you off the hook regarding posting videos Dennis, as you know how everyone loves vids, and being that the OP specifically requested them. Chop chop. :)
     
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    The OP said that if you give advice you must provide a video of you demonstrating the application of that advice.

    I've not offered any advice hence I'm excused.

    Sotto vocce "if they see my magnificents, it will make them feel bad, so I make sure not to give any tennis tips that are stroke related".

    Looking forward to hitting with you. You don't mine if my assistants bring 8 full length mirrors to the court so that I may gaze at my wondorousness at every turn? I assume you have yours?
     
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    Not to take anything away from you, but it seems that you were lucky enough to hit the service line also!
    But nice return. I am looking foreward to completing a Federer stop ball serve return some time in my life.
     
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    thanks, yes, and I meant to say slides OR skids :???:
    I agree the sidespin work helps to avoid floating it.
     
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    Ok. :)

    Hmmm. I think this might be floating about, somewhere over my head (partly due to the Italian phrase ... that is Italian, isn't it?). Nevertheless, I also don't give tips (especially stroke related). But just post videos for amusement and/or criticism.

    Mind? Of course not. Actually, if you bring yours, then I can give my mirror bearers the day off (without pay of course ... it's ok, they're just happy to have some sort of paying job and protection from deportation).

    I see that Povl and thecode have gotten us back on topic ... and none too soon as I'm pretty sure we've milked the references to our wonderfulness quite enough (though it is a demonstrable fact).
     
  36. TomT

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    Actually, it was also sort of lucky that it cleared the net. I'm not sure I'd be able to count the number of really nicely stroked balls that I've hit into the top of the net. Although, when I remember to actually look at the ball then my success rate goes way up. :)

    Thanks. What's a "Federer stop ball serve return"? A drop shot?
     
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    Yes, must agree with this. In my experience anyway, the most effective sliced shots have a certain amount of sidespin.

    Interestingly, my sliced shots are the only shots of mine that my opponents have commented on (other than my serve) as giving them any sort of problem.

    It's an important shot for anyone to have in their arsenal, I think, and for players of my age, who, like me, lack the mobility and stamina to stay in extended topspin rallies, it can be a very effective attacking weapon.
     
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    Sorry, yes drop shot. In my native danish it is called a "stop ball", he...
    Here is one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqDxPtbmAJk
    Funny, he seems to excuse himself afterwards, allthough I think the shot was on purpose.
     
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    My favorite tip on a driving slice comes from the poster "tricky." Drop the front shoulder as you start your swing. Works for me like a charm. Dagger.
     
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    Thanks Povl. Oh yeah, for sure Federer's drop shots are on purpose. He's a tennis genius, but a very polite and considerate one. :)
     
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    Yes, all the good 'driving slicers' seem to do this. And, if you just visualize hitting the shot in your mind you can see why. It's an integral part of the mechanics necessary to impart maximum forward momentum to the ball.
     
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    Like stepping down and forward on your front (right) foot at the same time?
     
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    My take, as usual, counter's yours.
    It's SILLY and somewhat arrogant to think YOUR heavy slice which beats all YOUR buddies to work against a new player.
    No matter how effective YOUR slice is against YOUR buddies, somewhat will treat it like a sitter.
    Even the best slice from Haas get's pummelled by someone.
     
  44. J011yroger

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    Some slices:

    https://vimeo.com/61002491

    I use the two-hander more often, and still can't return worth a hoot with the slice, but it keeps getting better every year.

    Also, I can almost, kind of, volley now. So that is enough to make me believe in miracles and keep practicing.

    J
     
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    Wow. Very nice strokes J011yroger. Looks like you have a very solid slice technique.
     
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    Merci. You are too kind.

    J
     
  47. Povl Carstensen

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    Just saw some Bill Tilden videos in another thread. What great and modern looking bh slices.
     

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