Penetrex Cream??? Does this stuff really work?

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  1. jimanuel12

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    i have read that this stuff really works well for tennis elbow.
    so far, i have found no creams (and i mean none) that help tennis elbow.
    does this stuff really work??
     
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    Personally haven't tried it.. but looked around the web to see reviews.. this one lists a double blind study (as I feel they are the best way to review products without other influences)

    In a double blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trial of 519 athletes who applied Arnica after training, the cream was also found to be ineffective for muscle soreness. [2]

    References:
    [2] Vickers AJ, Fisher P, Smith C, Wyllie SE, Rees R. Research Council for Complementary Medicine, London, England.


    Article here ---> http://tenease.com/pub/penetrex-review.php
     
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    my opinion of penetrex

    i have been using penetrex regularly for a couple of years and for what its worth here are my thoughts. the product is actually quite effective and while it may be hard to believe that a cream can help with tennis elbow, i'm a believer.

    i don't know the science behind penetrex but i know that when i use it for flare-ups not only in my elbow but neck and back as well the relief is very real. my wife uses it for shin splints (jogging) and finds it more effective than other things she's tried in the past and trust me, nobody is more skeptical than she is. in fact, i remember when she first saw that i had bought it she was pissed off that i had wasted money on snake-oil.

    the price is fair, delivery is always fast and until i come across something better i'll be a loyal customer.

    and no, i don't work for the company!!

    trust me, i know how horrible tennis elbow is and regardless of where your research takes you i wish you luck in your quest for relief!!

    by the way, what strings do you use and at what tension? my adjustment of those things also helped a lot.
     
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    thanks for the info, i might give it a try.
    i use a fischer racket, strings - multifilament and tension in the 55 lbs range.
     
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    ok, got my penetrex cream today and starting using it, will let everyone know one way or the other how it works out.
    here is hoping for the best!!!
     
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    been using the penetrex cream for 3 days now, can't tell too much difference but it may be too soon.
    the arm is slightly better.
    should be able to make a good judgement after a couple of weeks but i am still a sketic.
     
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    well, 5 days now using the penetrex cream. it sounds crazy but it seems to be working. the arm is better, not as much pain.
    i played yesterday and the pain was not what it had been before, of course, i used the arm brace, but it is improving.
    i would not say it is a mircle cream yet, but it seems to work some.
    will keep this thread going until i can make a judgement on the cream.
     
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    i have been using the cream for about 5 days now, and the arm is better, not a "cure" yet, but it is a little better.
    how does it work for your back?
    i hurt my back moving some furinature and i was wondering about putting it on my back?
     
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    day 10 - some relief - can tell a little difference. i would say it is a "little" better, but not a mircle cream as of yet.
    will keep posting until i can make a good judgement.
     
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    Thanks for continuing to update us on how you are doing. Hope to hear even more improvement next time.
     
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    Interesting.

    Are you guys doing the following also?

    - physical therapy or rehab specific exercise
    - use some pain management device
    - playing less or have stopped completely
    - playing but at less than 100%
    - taking pain medicine
    - using your arm less

    Just want to make sure that feedback is qualitative.

    We want to make sure that the alleged healing power of this cream is warranted and not because of all the other things folks are doing in addition to the cream to fix the problem or prevent a flare up.

    r,
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    good point.
    i am still playing.
    no exercises and no physical theray.
    just using the cream.
    want to see if the cream is a mircle cure.

    i have to say that i am a skeptic but will give it a good try and then post my results.
     
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    OK - here we go again.
    day 15 using the penetrex cream. have been using it at least twice per day, sometimes 3 times a day.
    can tell "a little difference" the arm does not feel as stiff as it was but no way it is a mircle cream as of yet.
    i have about 1/2 jar left, will continue to use it and see if there are any dramtic changes but i am not very hopeful that this stuff is the mircle cream i was hoping for.
    will keep everyone informed of the progress.
     
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    Thanks jimanuel.

    We appreciate your periodic updates.

    Keep 'em coming.

    r,
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    The company's claim that substances absorbed reach tendons and ligaments directly seems hard to believe. The reason patches containing things like nicotine, opiate analgesics, exelon etc. don't exert any local effects is that whatever penetrates into the skin is absorbed into capillaries and taken away into the general circulation. Some components may not be absorbed at all unless they are fairly lipid soluble, because of the fat at the base layer of the skin.
     
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  16. jimanuel12

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    i know, i think i was hoping this was the mircle cure i needed.
    i have read some posts on here that state the penetrex was the cure for them and that may be true for them, but for me, it is not the mircle i was hoping for.
    but we will see, will continue to use it for awhile and see what happens, i am a sketic by nature.
     
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    Tigerbalm>*
     
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    My wife and I can't say enough about Penetrex cream, it saved our marriage.
     
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  19. El Diablo

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    Ah, yes....."with a name like Smuckers..."
     
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    Tiger balm is a mild counter-irritant. Tiger balm Red (the stronger version) is great for my headaches but it doesn't really do all that much for muscles & joints for me.
     
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    It's most effective when you apply it and then wrap it with athletic tape.
     
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    Not tried that but then I'm using KT tape (a Kinesio-type tape) more than athletic tape these days. You might try the Tiger Balm Red with DMSO or Emu oil to get deeper penetration. If you try it, let us know if that produces any better results.
     
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    I thought I've on the instructions that you are not to wrap the area where tiger balm is applied. It must cause burning.

    r,
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    ok - third week on the penetrex cream, have about a week's worth of the stuff left.
    i can tell some difference, the arm does not hurt as much, but a mircle cream - i still don't know.
    i am going to use it all up (the first jar) and see what if anything is better.
    i can say that the arm is better - i am guessing about 20% or more maybe.
    will keep everyone posted.
     
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    have you been playing in this time? if not the reduction in pain could just be a result of the rest.

    I found some cream in my chemists that claimed something similar, the pharmacist recommended it and personally used it, but not for TE, i have mild TE. I used it a few times and it seemed to help a bit. But not much. I have been playing 6 times a week and it seemed to help reduce the pain a bit in between playing. I stopped using it after a week though....pharmacist said its similar to taking anti inflammatories but avoids some possible side effects.



    Funnily enough the pain seems to be slightly diminishing even with my crowded playing schedule, but thats for another thread sometime...
     
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    Id keep using it if I were you. Ive been playing as much as I usually do while using the cream and wearing my brace and my arm is feeling really good, very little to no pain when I play now.
     
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    how long have you been using it?
    and how long have you had the tennis elbow?
    just wondering.
     
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    week number 4 with the penetrex cream. i have been playing along with my trustie elbow brace.
    i would say that the cream has helped my arm some, maybe 20% better but not the "cure" i was looking for.
    i think my TE was really bad and the cream was not just strong enough for me.
    in milder cases, i think the cream would work.
    i am going to talk to a phyiscal therapist soon on the ASTYM system and see if that will work for me.
    i have tried everything else that i can think of and nothing has really cured the arm.
    it is better and i can play with the brace, but i am going to try another therapy and see what happens.
    i will post on the ASTYM system when i start and let everyone know how it turns out.
    thanks to everyone who responed.
     
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    Jim, I feel really bad for you, you literally have tried everything except Gene Therapy and Arm Transplantation.

    Are you still using the Therabar?
     
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    I think the Voltaren gel works better...
     
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    Penetrex Cream.. does it work

    I had a case of TFCC (wrist sprain) and bought Penetrex hoping for a miracle cure. It has been about 3 weeks and while there is improvement it is not cured. I have been icing regularly, alternate heat and cold, rubbing in the cream 3 - 4 times a day after applying heat, accupuncture with e-stim, ingested arnica (homeopathic). So my take is that while it is useful and something to use in addition to other treatments, it is not a miracle cure. Plus it all takes time..

    As far as tennis elbow is concerned, I have had a couple people at my gym that have used a chiropractor that is an ART (Active Release Technique) practitioner and they swear by it. Depending on the severity of the tennis elbow and your age, it can take weeks.
     
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    i stopped using the flexbar when i began using the penetrex cream, i wanted to see if the cream alone was going to work.
    i feel the cream would really help with a milder case of TE but i think my case is so servere that only the theraphy will help.
    will wait and see.
    thanks
     
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  33. origmarm

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    Aren't all these creams effectively just topical NSAID applications? With all the same advantages and drawbacks?

    As I understand it both Voltaren and Penetrex feature a base that contains an agent that aids absorption and it's just a matter of which agent works better for you (from memory).

    Some people react batter (notably gastrically again from memory) to one NSAID over another. It's worth noting that generic "ibuprofen gel" is about 20% of the cost of these other gels and is essentially NSAID gel without absorption agent. Works well for most people but these will work better for some. It should be marginal however.

    Cheers, Orig
     
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    Yea, I understand your test to isolate the cream alone to see its results, but at this point, although I am not a doctor by any means, i would suggest adding back to it the flexbar, some additional rest when possible, et al. There is no way it will be the "miracle cure" you were looking for, so stopping all the other exercises seems to be a bad thing, especially if you are still playing tennis during this period.

    Last question, have you tried the rubber band exercise where you simply place a rubberband around your fingertips and thumb, then open and close your hand slowly. I have heard some people say this simple exercise daily for weeks at a time greatly improved their TE. Use the thickest rubberband you can handle and progress from there.
     
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    Take this advice to the bank! He is, after all, a "medical professional".
     
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    ok - i have tried EVERYTHING i could think of and nothing has cured my TE, had it for over a year.
    so yesterday i went to see a ASTYM therapist and i am going to start the therapy soon.
    will post the results.
     
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    good luck - you might want to start a new thread.
     
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    thanks - yes - i will start a new thread on the therapy.
     
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    Just about finished my first jar, Ive had tennis elbow for over 2 years
     
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    can you see any remarkable results?
    i only saw a little.
     
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    joint flex at wal mart mixed with mineral ice , about 20 bucks total
     
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    Astym

    I began a course of regular physical therapy (ultrasound, massage, rest, ice, etc.). I also instituted the use of my brace in everyday activities such as computer use. I felt that my arm improved about 30%

    I began a course of ASTYM therapy two weeks ago along with the use of the Theraband Flexbar. It is a bit painful but has already made a drastic improvement to my arm. I would say I am at about 75%-80% of my pre-treatment self. ASTYM includes stretching and strengthening. You may also begin to play in a controlled fashion. I exhibited grip strenth improvement after just one session.

    The therapist has suggested at least two more weeks of therapy followed by continued stretching and strengthening excersies. Pursuing the ASTYM option yielded a better result in a shorter time than with any other treatment I tried.
     
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    thought i would do a follow up on the penetrex cream. i used the entire jar - it did help a little - i would say overall about 20% or little more but not the mircle cure i was hoping for.
    but i did notice this - once i stopped the flex bar exercises, and stopped tennis for a few weeks along with a lay off of a week without the computer - my arm felt much better.
    i played two sets last week without almost any pain. i used the elbow brace but my serve was good and my arm is remarkably better.
    still doing pretty well so far but am considering the theaphy - ATMST or something like that if the arm is not 100% pretty soon.
     
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    can you get the mineral ice at wally world too?
     
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    "Penetrex" - name seems, well, provocative :)
     
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    I tried it, not much help...but i understand how it's tempting to want to try a product for relief. I've had golfer's elbow for over a year now, it was severe at first. I believe it comes from poor stroke mechanics/development. I used to hit the forehand quite late and "arm" the ball and often frame it as well. Now I have a much more even tempo with extension and hit more out front. Also, serving was a big contributor to the arm pain, again I would frame and miss-hit the ball sending all that shock to the medial epichondile. Anyhow, I never really took a break...got rid of the full poly stingbed and use synthetic gut/multi at sub 50 tensions with a K90. I did 2 - 3 sets of 20 - 25 reps of wrist curls and supination/pronation exercises (old style dumbell that has slide/screw on plates, used the 16" bar with a 3lb weight at the end and put my wrist on my knee and supinated down and up 25 reps...that totally hits the medial side) Pronate for the lateral side. Anyhow, from what I've read and experienced, you have to get blood flowing to the injury site...you can't just chill out and expect it to go away on it's own. I still have some elbow pain, I think it's inevitable once you have and play hard....? Cheers.
     
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  47. jimanuel12

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    thanks for all the information but i have tried all the things you mentioned.
    i am still going to try the deep tissue thing, some people seem to do better with that than anything i have heard of for long term injuries like mine.
    thanks
     
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    bump,,,,,,,,,
     
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    i guess not
     
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    I have been using Penetrex for about five months and find it great after long tennis workouts. It's great for combating mild tendonitis and sore muscles. It isn't a miracle cream but I like it better than taking inflammatory drugs.

    If you got severe tendonitis, I would suggest using it in addition to other therapy such as ultrasound and PT.

    It isn't greasy and has a very light scent and does of a great job of reducing inflammation.
     
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