People who call "No!" instead of "Out!"

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  1. struggle

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    this. ^^^^^^
     
  2. jswinf

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    OK, I'll keep playing. Due to the precision of our game over here, our rallies last an average of 42 strokes. I'm sure you'll wait until we're between points again to return our ball.
     
  3. r2473

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    ....at which point I'll ask you and your partner to autograph the ball for me. And then I'm not giving it back :)
     
  4. jswinf

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    OK. 50 bucks for the autograph, keep the line moving, please, no handshakes...8)
     
  5. spot

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    If you are in the middle of a rally I'd just put the ball on the back fence behind you where it isn't in the way and you can get it at your convenience. How is this an issue?
     
  6. jswinf

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    Could work, but getting the ball there could be a distraction for the player facing it.

    It could also work to just return the ball when you're between points and the players on the other court are waiting for it.
     
  7. vive le beau jeu !

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    good idea. ;)
     
  8. spot

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    If me giving your ball back to at the back fence is too much of an inconvenience for you then you certainly didn't need the ball bad enough for me to go get it the first possible stoppage of play. If you are down to 1 ball then of course I'll go get it but otherwise that third ball is just a bonus.
     
  9. jswinf

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    I guess I'm not sure how you give a ball back at the back fence unless you're just rolling or tossing it and hoping it stops in a nice place.
     
  10. Fearsome Forehand

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    The worst thing is when playing doubles and some one calls out instead of no (no as in telling their partner to let it go.) It confuses everyone.

    Out should only be used for line calls period.
     
  11. r2473

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    The fun thing about these threads is you realize just how little of a deviation from what someone considers "right" will really set them off. And this is 100% confirmed by experience.

    It's also funny how the exact same action will make one person happy and make another person a bitter enemy (that can't wait to "get back" at you for a perceived slight).

    By the way jswinf, I decided I'm not retrieving your ball at all because you didn't ask nicely enough and were too demanding. AND, I'm also going to tell everyone in our small tennis community what a jerk you are (that'll fix your wagon).
     
  12. spot

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    Seriously? You are way overthinking this. Go to the back fence in between the 2 courts. Put the ball where it is out of the way for both courts and where you can retrieve it without causing us an issue. Problem solved.
     
  13. NickC

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    I use a mix of both "no" and "out". I wouldn't classify myself as an egomaniac (or so I'd think??).
     
  14. jswinf

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    Well, I guess you got back at me. Now I'm going to have to save up to buy another ball...:cry:
     
  15. jc4.0

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    Waaaaay out!

    Maybe it's just a geographic thing, but everyone I play with occasionally says "no" instead of "out", especially if they're calling their partner off the ball. For example, if it's windy and you're not sure whether your partner should hit the ball - it might bounce in, maybe out - we'll say "no", rather than "out". You could also say "watch it" or something, but "no" seems more expedient.
    So the word "no" is useful and shouldn't get on anybody's nerves. You sound like a really skittish player.

    But know what slightly annoys me? When someone insists on telling you that your shot was "waaaay out". What the H? Out is out, whether a millimeter or five feet. sometimes I'll say, 'well, it was close' or 'you almost made it' - and inevitably the irritating line-caller will re-define the out call: "No, sister, your shot was THIS FAR out!" Causing me to wonder what her definition of "close" is - 'cause usually this comment is reserved for balls that were just a few inches outside the line. I'll laugh and say, 'so does it being six inches out rather than two, make it MORE out?' All I need is the word "out". Or "no". Either word ends the point. (Get over it)
     
  16. SwankPeRFection

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    That's why you call "Bounce" in those situations.
     
  17. Topaz

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    I thought of you today Wuppy...when I said 'no' on a long serve. After I said 'no', I also added 'Wuppy' a bit quieter! ;)
     
  18. kylebarendrick

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    But there really isn't any chance for confusion. If you yell "out", "no", "leave it", or "bounce" well before the ball hits the ground then it is obviously a signal to the partner and not a line call. Why? because you can't call a ball out before it bounces. If you yell "out" or "no" after it bounces, then it clearly is a line call.

    That is why "out" is not a magic word that ends points, as was noted earlier in this thread.
     
  19. SwankPeRFection

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    I agree, but I've run into idiots who insist that their opponents not use the word "No" to depict that their partner shouldn't take a ball out of the air. Or that their opponents should use "Yours" instead of "No" to depict that the player in question cannot get to the ball and that it's their partner's. :rolleyes: Ya, I tell them to go f themselves and that I'll call whatever I want to call if the ball is up in the air and if they're that confused by it, they can take a forfeit and go walking. If they get nasty and say no to that and then insist on the us making a change to how we want to play our match as a team, then they get some nice fast/hard shots hit towards them, especially if they're at the net. They get the point eventually that they were out of line to tell us what we should be doing on our side of the net. As long as the calls are right and correct for point calls, I could yell out "Cowbell" for every flying ball if I want to. As long as the ball is on our side of the court and we're the next to hit it, it's not player interference of any kind. They can kiss it. lol
     
  20. SwankPeRFection

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    As a slightly off topic thing I can't stand is when people don't call out serves as Out when they're obviously out and then win the point because of my slight hesitation after the serve because they missed the call. It's even worse when people you know constantly do this and do it because they know they can win a point off me sometimes by doing this. If they get a good wack at the ball, they don't make the call for the out serve. If I miss the serve by the same amount again and they get a bad hit on it, then it's an out call for the serve. Now THAT is total BS right there!
     
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    Somewhere in the world there is a real issue that has merit and matters. This is not it, however.
     
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  23. JW10S

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    I stand by my posts. In my experience playing internationally, more players say 'no' than 'out' by a good margin anyway. Why do people start threads dissing 'pushers'?--usually because they just lost to one. So a thread started by someone who had just lost to someone who called 'no' (often) is not an unreasonable assumption. Some people find it easier to blame others for their own shortcomings. Again, anyone who is so bothered by such a trivial thing has far more issues than the person who they are criticizing for saying 'no'.
     
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  24. msweigert08

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    Im lazy...no has less letters
     
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    only a very mediocre/weak player would go to the lengths to complain about something so trifling as this. quit whining and work on your game and fitness!
     
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    You're a little late to the party, with 125 replies including yours, some of us found merit to the topic. Quite an assumption on your part as to his abilities from I'm sure never having seen the OP play. You may want to put in a little practice on your keyboarding skills, you're a little weak on the the CAPS!
     
  27. msweigert08

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    Boom roasted.
     
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    I'm compelled to respond as I'm still laughing. :)

    Often we dislike things opponents do. Reality is we can't change many (if any) of them. But it is good to get the weight off our chest by exposing the peeves here.
     
  29. josofo

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    wouldn't bother me.



    i play a guy that catches balls at his knees when he is on the service line. calls mad close lines and even ask me my opinion on the close 1s.
     
  30. jswinf

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    ^^You mean he catches them and call them out? Get a rope.
     
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    i have caught him catching them when he is inside the court before.
     
  32. msweigert08

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    Must be a region thing, everyone I play says "no" and never says out
     
  33. r2473

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    I've found that does make people angry. Don't really understand it.

    I always ask my opponent's opinion when he hits a shot down the line that is close. He usually has a perfect view of the line. I'm inside the line, so it is hard to judge if the shot was wide.

    If the guy says "its your call", I always say, "it was in then, because I can't say for sure".

    But, I can usually judge by the guys reaction what he thought. Invariably, if they thought it was in, they don't hesitate to tell me. Often times in no uncertain terms :)

    On the other hand, if they look at me and simply, "its your call", I pretty much know they thought it was out, but figure, why not take the point if he's going to give it to me.

    Anyway, it makes no sense to me. If you have a clear view and the other guy doesn't, just make the call.
     
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    I agree that an opponent who's on the sideline and hits a shot right down that sideline has the best view of whether it's out or not, and that it's not unreasonable to ask them, but there seems to be a bit of a disconnect here:

    OK, you're giving me the point, joy! What, you're calling it out now? May the bird of paradise fly up your nose! And give me that ball back!

    edit: I think I figured it out, it's the other guy figuring 'why not take the point'..., oh, well...

    And you don't mention the case where the opponent says, "you know, I really think my shot was wide." Perhaps because, as in my case, this doesn't happen often? :)
     
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  35. J_R_B

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    I ask sometimes, too, if I didn't see the shot in the first place. I figure people are mostly honest. They're going to take all of the really close ones (and I'm perfectly OK iwth that since I would have to call in by default anyway), but occassionally, there are balls that are so far out that even the opponent cannot with a straight face tell me they didn't see it out.
     
  36. r2473

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    It actually happens pretty often.

    The situation is usually when a guy smokes one down the line. Maybe I'm at net or maybe I just retrieved one from the other sideline. Whatever, I'm not really able to tell if it was wide or not.

    I'll just look at the guy, smile, and ask "Did you get it"? Most guys will respond right away saying "Yup, right on the line" or "No, just wide". I'm actually surprised if someone won't make the call (so I have to call it in).

    But by the same token, I've overruled plenty of "in" calls my opponents have made when I can see my shot was "just wide".

    I overrule a lot of my own serves when my opponent doesn't return my out serve and wants to give me the point.
     
  37. B@NK@1

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    NO!

    would you rather them not say anything and leave you wondering the call? I have no problem with "No!" as opposed to "out". When I play doubles, I talk with my partner all the time. If I want him to not hit the ball because I think it's going out, then I would yell out "bounce it!" That's pretty much the extent of our conversations during the points except for "Yours!".
     
  38. Cindysphinx

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    There are a lot of people who do not know the Code allows you to ask their opinion but must accept their opinion. They get all shirty with you, like you are making them do your work for you.

    I wish people would read the darn Code.
     
  39. msweigert08

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    I got a solution for this....never hit the ball out and you will be fine every time
     
  40. not_federer

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    I just say "call" when it's out. Have I been doing it wrong all these years? :oops: I can never quite tell what the linesmen yell. (Sorry for the bump.)
     
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    I go OWWWW because the T always makes me stutter during a match if I'm nervous. If I think my opponent thinks I'm calling poorly, I'll start going with wide or long. But I yell it every time.
     
  42. JLyon

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    That is good of you to follow the code, I also generally will call my shot out if the opponent asks or does not have a good look. Makes for a more even tempered match.
     
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    I played with a girl in Cali who would say "like, out, dude." I said "Just say 'out'". She said "What..ever!"
     
  44. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    thisis such a funny thread..

    I say 'no' more than I say 'out', but I am now seriously considerng just yelling 'wuppy!' at the top of my lungs instead...
     
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    I often say "no". I can't help it, though I know it makes me a bad person :oops:
     
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    I try to conserve energy at every chance..NO is two letters and OUT are three letters...nuff said!:)
     
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    I once played a really annoying guy in Atlanta who yelled NO SIR if a ball was out. It wasn't just what he said, it was the emphatic way he said it that was particularly annoying. The guy did several other things that annoyed me. On match point, he hit the ball in the net. I smiled and said NO SIR!
     
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    I do that.

    Sorry. :oops:
     
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    Flash back post warning, inside joke may apply...

    My opinion is that 40-30 and Ad in are the same thing. Applying The Code means you must accept my opinion. BOOM!

    Side note: this isn't that funny, I just can't believe this thread was bumped.
     
  50. NTRPolice

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    If it got to the point where you told me to say "out" instead of anything else I would probably start saying the F-word at the top of my lungs whenever to serve the ball out no matter how far out it is. If you question that, id just say I was saying "fault". Id also signal with my middle finger instead of my pointer.

    I would then demand that you call the game scores properly, like 40-15 and not 40-5, or 3-1.

    Really? This thread has to be some kinda troll. I've never heard of anyone complaining about the specific word used when calling lines. I DO think its goofy when people say wide/long and get the words mixed up and have to reverse the call.
     

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