Pistol Pete: "Murray the man to beat at the USO"

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  1. Nathaniel_Near

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    Relax folks, ...
    Excellent post. In other words, let's wait for Montreal and Cincy before making some more definitive predictions. Your subtle philosophy is not lost on me. ;)
     
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  2. Anti-Fedal

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    Murray's results at the USO when there hasn't been a Hurricane

    2008 - Embarrassed by Federer
    2009 - Embarrassed by Cilic (lol)
    2010 - Lost to Wawrinka
    2011 - Embarrassed by Nadal on Rafa's worst surface

    What makes you think Murray can win the USO without Hurricane conditions?
     
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    Pete was my idol and I do see where he is coming from Murray has won 2 slams plus made AO final and won the Olympics within the last 12 months for me he is the joint favorite and on the cusp of being the man to beat, but the reality is he is still 1-1 v Novak in Grand Slam finals this year and Novak is still the world number 1 and made the last 3 finals at the USO so I am not prepared to say Murray is undisputed favorite yet if he wins the US he will be but if Novak wins he will underline his number 1 status, it is fascinatingly poised.
     
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    And novak got embarrassed by murray last year, rafa got embarrassed by nole the year before that, and nole got embarrassed by rafa the year before that. See, I can post infantile pysh as well.

    I think Murray can win the uso because he's the reigning champion and is currently the only guy on the planet with 2 slams to his name.

    But do keep crying like schoolgirl about hurricanes and results from 5 years ago - your tears really are delicious
     
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    Relax folks, ...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbIR51_J_qY

    ;)
     
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    People with chances for this USO:
    1)Federer
    2)JJ
    3)DelPo
    4)Novak
    5)Fognini
    6)Verdasco
    7)Murray
    8)Berdych
     
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    Remind me what happened in the semi-final? Didn't it go to 4 sets over 2 days due to hurricane conditions?

    Nadal was defending champion and had just embarrassed Djokovic the year before on his best surface.

    Well, he won Wimbledon without hurricane conditions so what makes you think he won't?
     
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    I disagree. Delbonis should clearly be at no.7. I can't understand why you have left him out? :wink:
     
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    I knew you would ask!:)

    I think on fast courts of USO Andy and Thomas have better chances than him.:)
     
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    Murray only lost the AO Final relatively easily due to blisters he got towards the end of the second set...after that his level of play totally dropped. If it weren't for that IMO he definitely could have won the final or at least made it another brutal 5 set 5 hour war where either man could have come out on top. He is at least Djokovic's equal on hard courts in playing level right now IMO.
     
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    Relax folks, ...
    Where is Delbonis?
     
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    I think he might lose in the final to someone in the list. I listed only the people I think have a chance of winning:)
     
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    Fair point, overall I agree.
     
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    As I said, Murray will NOT win the USO unless there is a Hurricane and/or his opponent in the final is coming off a marathon five setter.

    The only reason he won those slams was because one of those circumstances occurred.
     
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    But there wasn't a hurricane at the USO when he played the final. The hurricane was in the SEMI-finals. Please get your facts straight.

    So that negates Federer's 2008 USO win (Murray was coming off a marathon 2 day, 4 setter) and Djokovic's 2013 AO win (Murray was coming off a marathon 5 setter). Mustn't apply double standards now, must we?

    Is that a fact or an opinion?
     
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    I actually think you make a fair point but I also give Novak the benefit of the doubt as he had won the tournament the previous two times and beaten Murray both times there including an epic 5 setter last year.

    Had Murray won that match he would have been the undisputed man to beat e even though I agree he was not far away and the blisters played a part the fact is it is 1-1 in major finals and all to play for in NYC!
     
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    I think that while Djokovic is the better player, Murray is a lot more motivated and is working his butt off to make a mark. That, more than anything, is letting Murray take the edge recently. Not saying Djokovic isn't motivated, because he is, but Murray seems super-motivated to really establish his place in history alongside the top 3 of his time.
     
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    Nadal is still a potential threat to Murray on Grass. Murray has never beaten Nadal on grass.
     
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    that's because nadal keeps losing on grass in rounds 1 or 2, way before he can play and lose to murray. :) :twisted: :neutral:
     
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    I doubt he would have beaten Berdych in the SEMIS without the Hurricane. Conditions were still in Andy's favor in the final anyway. Without the hurricane/windy/tornado conditions no way Murray gets that slam. I doubt he wins Wimbledon either if Djokovic didn't have to play for 5 hours and Verdasco didn't choke. But nevertheless credit to him, he capitalized on his opportunities.
     
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    ALL players capitalise on their opportunities. Federer may not have won 2012 Wimbledon if Benneteau hadn't choked when 2 sets and a break up and Nadal may not have won 2010 USO if Djokovic hadn't had to play a marathon 5 setter against Federer. Nadal may not have won 2012 FO if the rain hadn't intervened when Djokovic was gaining momentum or 2013 FO if Djokovic hadn't choked when a break up in the 5th set semi and Djokovic himself may not have won 2013 AO if Wawrinka hadn't choked when 2 sets and a break up and Murray hadn't had to play a marathon 5 set semi against Federer.

    So if you want to start going down that road, we can start digging up all sorts of favourable and 'lucky' circumstances that enabled various players to come through and win the big titles, not just Murray. I repeat, you cannot apply double standards and expect to get away with it!
     
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    You've completely missed my point. Murray has only won his slams (2) as a result of abnormal weather conditions and his opponent being fatigued from a marathon match. Sure Fedal have lucked their way to slams, but not EVERY single one of them like Murray has. Fed, Nadal and Novak have all won majors without these circumstances simply because they were better than everybody else.

    Or do you disagree? Did Federer, Nadal and Djokovic win EVERY single one of their majors due to these type of circumstances.
     
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    You've conveniently missed the point that Murray has had to play the number 1 player in the world in every one of his slam finals unlike Djokovic, Federer and Nadal.
    How's that for bad luck?
     
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  25. monfed

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    Windy conditions: Murray, else it's Djokovic for me. The latter will be too motivated to restore order.
    Remember ,this is the first time Murray's defending a slam so it won't be easy for him.
    Ralph is third favourite on paper but I'd put his odds at 50-50 against a potential vs Murray.

    If Fed turns his magic then he could potentially win it, but a QF looks more likely.
     
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    I'm afraid Federer can't run his magic for two matches in a row anymore. He'll need some luck with his draw (and an upset) to have a shot.
     
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    Not in AO 2011.
     
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    Tired, injured, sub par Murray faced 2011, technically not number 1, Djokovic.

    Wait. I forgot nothing's wrong with Murray whenever he get's beat.
    It's only his opponents.
     
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    I disagree with your attempt at denigrating Murray's slam wins as only being due to some extraneous factors. Murray won his slams because he was better than other 127 guys in the field. Now you can cry about that all you like, spout infantile pysh about how Murray only won because - but you'd be as well flinging ***** at the moon.

    Andy Murray is a multiple slam winner - your whining on internet message boards won't change that fact - but feel free to keep crying like an ickle girly who's lost her dolly.
     
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    there wasn't a hurricane you saddo

    aw..diddums is all butthurt because murray has taken 2 majors off djokovic :)
     
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    Goosehead, you're one of the only guys here who actually makes me laugh out loud. You have a way about you, lol.
     
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    I was just pointing out a fact. Lighten up.
     
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    lol thanks:)
     
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    Wasn't aimed at you.
     
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    Of course he is. No need to be called Sampras to state the obvious... The question is: how is Murray gonna live up to all those expectations? It's the 1st time he will arrive in a slam as a-the title holder, b-the clear favorite.
     
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    Like beer off a Scotsman's kilt (Scots alternative to water off a ducks back).
    Compared to the insane pressure of being the first Brit since nineteen oatcake to win a slam or Wimbledon.
    If his technique and ability are good enough to withstand that enormous load then living up to the new expectations must be negligible in comparison.
    Motivation might actually be a future problem.
     
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    The bottom line should always be very simple---who won the match? It doesn't matter if a player took 5 sets to eke out a win or if he rolled through 3 in total domination. In the record books, both methods go down as a single match win. Period.

    Is it advisable to have to play a lot of 5-set matches in tournaments? No, because you wear down. But if you beat your opponent by a little or a lot, it doesn't necessarily mean you are having a great day or a bad day or that he is. I have seen entertaining matches where both players were playing average tennis but the match remains whisker close. I've seen other matches where both players are playing out of their minds and it is whisker close. In both cases, I truly enjoyed watching the war be waged. There are a lot of explanations for why a match ends quickly or goes the distance. Who cares? As far as that single match is concerned, it only matters who won.
     
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    Motivation :confused: You mean he's blase with winning slams already? :shock: "been there, done that" state of mind? After only 2? That would be a serious lack of ambition now, wouldn't it? :oops:
     
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    Motivation meaning now that he's won the big one, it might be tough for him to work as hard to try to win more.
     
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    Oh come on! He hasn't even been #1 yet. You don't think that's one hell of a motivation factor? + scoring one season with multiple slams? He should be chomping at the bit right now. He's already 26, no time to waste if he's gonna put his name alongside the best.
     
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    But it was my post you responded to :confused:
     
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    But you responded to my post which was aimed at someone else.
     
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    To correct you. I wasn't getting involved in the argument.
     
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    You have to understand that a British player winning a slam, let alone, Wimbledon, is a far greater achievement than for probably every other major sporting nation.
    With the march of time and the dominance of the Federer, Nadal and then Djokovic era, and the poor facilities and coaching and general other major obstacles and barriers to tennis here in Britain, it has seemed an ever increasing impossible dream.
    One slam for Britain is a monster achievement.
    One Wimbledon is just incalculable.
     
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    And I wasn't involving you.
    I understand why you thought I was though.
     
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    Hope some Serb and Croat players catch a whiff of this. Being raised in and training in a war-torn country playing on asphalt and the like. I am sure they're positively teary eyed at the thought of all those deprived Brits and their Slam hunger.
     
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    Those poor Croats and Serbs with their terrible tennis history.
    They never produced anyone of note before did they?
     
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    Djokovic is the man to beat at the US Open. He been to the finals 3 years in a row. He has a better track record there compared to Murray.

    Murray is the 2nd fav.....won too much these 2 years....hopefully Cilic takes him out.

    Nadal 3rd.....We have seen him do well there the last few years. I still think he can reach a SF or better this year.

    Delpo 4th.....hope Delpo wins and make people believe he still in the mix.

    Berdych 5th

    Federer 6th....too much of a rough patch to be considered higher than the big hitters. Hope Cincy proves me wrong.

    Tsonga 7th
     
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