Playability duration gut vs gut/poly

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  1. sha

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    Hi,
    I learned in this forum that the spin increases if one uses gut mains / poly crosses instead of a full bed of gut.
    This is due to the snapback that is better if there is a smooth cross string on which the gut mains can glide.
    Also arm protection should be quite good with gut/poly since the mains are responible for the feeling of the stringbed
    much more than the crosses (some say 75% to 25%). Another advantage of gut/poly vs full bed of gut is the price...
    So what are the reasons for a full bed of gut as gut/poly is superior in so many ways?
    I can only think of one thing and want to ask you what you think about it:
    what about the playability duration of gut/poly vs gut/gut?
    Gut holds tension longer than any poly and does not die. If I use poly crosses this poly should die after e.g. 10 hours
    playing time. Now my question is: does this matter? Or is the "still-alive-gut-in-the-mains" so much more important
    that the dead poly cross does not matter?
    The reason I ask this: I want to play at least about 20-30 hours with one stringjob as my stringer is far away and I
    don't want to take my racquet there one or twice a month. I play two times a week and I'm no string breaker.
    I hate to play with dead polys since the feeling is so terrible (fresh polys play great by the way, maybe even nicer
    than multi or gut) and my arm also hates dead polys.

    Thanks!
     
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  2. souledge

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    The gut will mask the poly death to some degree. You should be able to get to 20 hours, depending on how picky you are. If your stringer is comfortable, you could just restring the poly crosses, but it obviously won't play like a fresh string job.

    Gut / gut just plays until it breaks. No real playability change.
     
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  3. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    That, the gut will mask the poly fatality. And if you love your frames, don't just re-string the poly crosses...
     
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  4. Hi I'm Ray

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    Crosses don't get stressed during use nearly as much as mains, so the same poly should last much longer as crosses than they normally do as mains. Get a poly that stiffens up with use like 4G & you shouldn't have an issue w/poly getting too soft/loose or dead. 4G mains lasted me about 4-6hrs before they got way too stiff/firm/dead but I just tried a gut/poly string job I did for a friend and the 4G crosses still felt great at about 20+hrs, right before the gut broke.
     
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  5. sha

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    I tried a full bed of gut some months ago, it was 23/22 kg on a 104 sq inch racquet. It was terrible, I sent many balls to the moon, no control, too much power.
    Besides, string movement was too much. I had to adjust the strings every two minutes. How is the string movement if I go to a higher tension, e.g. 27/26kg?
    I know it will still be more than a poly bed, but how does string movement change between gut23/gut22 and gut27/gut26?
     
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  6. sha

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    @all: thanks for your comments.
    So everybody thinks gut/poly gives a consistent playability for 20+ hours.
    That's fine, I'll try it.
    And the string movement will also be much lower than gut/gut, right?
     
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    I've been wondering about this. If only the crosses break, can you just restring over the gut? I'm not experienced in stringing... but I would like to know if you can.
     
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  8. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Yes you can, you can also dunk your racquet straight into the ground too. What's stopping you from purposely adding stress to your frames?
     
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    I suppose it's ignorance. May you explain the effect in detail please?
     
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  10. Hi I'm Ray

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    No one knows what kind of strings, tension, stringbed firmness, response, trajectory, etc. you prefer and what tension you would need to string the gut/poly, with the info you have given (or lack of).

    I got a *similar* trajectory between TourBite17/RIP Control 17 @ 51lbs and ToughGut16/SuperSmash Orange 1.23 @ 59/56lbs in a VCore 100s. You'll have to figure out your own preferences but if you string high, its easy to string the poly too high and end up w/a harsh boardy feel. String the gut too low and you get a high ball trajectory, use too much tension difference between mains/crosses and the frame deforms a little.

    The strings don't get stuck out of place much with gut/poly since there is little string to string friction.
     
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  11. Maui19

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    I generally get 15 hrs out of my gut 16g/poly 17g hybrid. A lot of it depends on the poly you choose. Some polys will die before the gut breaks, and some will cut through the gut. It took me quite a while to find a poly that performs as I want (spin & power) and maintains that performance for a reasonable amount of time.

    Now I play until the gut breaks, which is generally at about 15 hrs.
     
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  12. Irvin

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    If you're not a string breaker why not at least try Gut / multi or Gut / SG? That lowers the price also with a better feel and play.
     
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    I restrung one of my frames yesterday with all gut. I have to say there is no drop off in spin potential. I really felt like there was more spin because the string bed felt so good I swung faster. I'm going to a full bed of gut. While I'm indoors, I'm going to use a thin gauge (17L....and string savers) and when we go back outdoors on clay, I'll go to a thicker gauge.

    All gut rocks!
     
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  14. sha

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    @Maui19: which poly do you use as cross string?

    @Irvin: can you explain why gut/multi and gut/syn should play better thank gut/gut. Is it because of better snapback (as this is the reason for the hype of gut/poly as far as i know)
     
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    @ Rabbit: "All gut rocks!"
    Yeah, that's what I would really like to play: all gut.
    Not thinking all the time "is the poly dead?", "Has it lost tension?", "Do I have to restring now?"...
    Just play until the end.
     
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    What you're experiencing is normal after reading the boards. You start to question every aspect of your gear. You read things like "poly must go dead because the top 5 players in the world change their racquets every game change because the poly went dead". (Never mind that the father of this practice, Ivan Lendl, did the same thing only his racquet was strung with all natural gut.)

    I would say just hit the ball and don't worry!
     
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    I think what Doc is saying is that a string bed of gut mains/syn gut or multi crosses will feel better than one of gut mains/poly crosses, not an all gut string bed.
     
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    If you're getting 20 - 30 hours out of gut I don't think you are really going to get any spin advantage from a poly hybrid.
     
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  19. Fuji

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    I don't really like full beds of gut, it just doesn't compliment my strokes all that well, and it wears ridiculously fast for me. Gut/poly is really rad though, plays well. Just too expensive for me to use since I break it too quickly haha.

    -Fuji
     
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    I don't think the poly string will allow any better snap back or spin. A multi or SG cross would produce a softer string bed, allow for better playability, and it will not go dead as fast. The poly is more often than not used to tame the power of gut mains. But a multi or SG cross would not play better than full gut just lower priced.
     
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  21. Maui19

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    Kirschbaum Pro Line II
     
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