Player #11, sad update

Discussion in 'Adult League & Tournament Talk' started by jc4.0, Jul 25, 2012.

  1. jc4.0

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    My co-captain went and cut Player Number Eleven from the team, over my vehement objections. Some may recall there was a discussion of whether she is "good enough" to be on the team, between me and my co-cap. I maintain that she is ranked 4.0 officially, has enough game to play in the lower positions, plus a fantastic attitude and work ethic.

    #11 is crushed by this, and I'm not sure what to do about it. I don't think my co-cap even has the "authority" to do this - but she already took #11's league fee back, and put her on the sub list. I don't want any trouble, but at this point I'd like to "fire" co-cap, and re-invite #11 to the team. Maybe we should take a vote - because I'm pretty sure most if not all of the other players agree with me.

    Why do some captains act like Queens? A captain is not in a Power position - she's in a Service position. We SERVE the team. Plus - we're all adults - not children to be ordered around, and certainly not "royal subjects".
     
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  2. Alchemy-Z

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    Well when running a line of 8 that only leaves you 2 subs.

    We need at least 12-13 people on the team to make it a whole season without default.

    surely #11 is a better player than no player at all.
     
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  3. spot

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    BOOOO! That sucks. I think that you have to say something to the captain just so that the captain doesn't start thinking of herself as a dictator.
     
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  4. zcarzach

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    A team vote is the only reasonable way. The captain shouldn't be able to unilaterally do this.
     
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  5. Mongolmike

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    It would seem there is more too this situation... maybe there is an issue between the two women that you aren't aware of, most likely from the captain's perspective? I'm not saying it is right, just that it does seem odd and there might be more to it then you are aware of.

    As for a vote... what are you gonna do if the team votes to put the lady back on the roster, and the captain STILL says "no"? Kick the captain off the team? Boycott the next match?

    Someone should ask the captain why, but it is a very odd situation. And what is YOUR relation with the captain? Do you consider her a friend? If you confront her, will this harm the friendship, or maybe is this the only team and you risk not being able to be on the team in the future?
     
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  6. tennis tom

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    Quit the team, call up player #11 and ask her to be your partner playing in tournaments--end of problem.
     
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  7. jc4.0

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    Kim Jong Un

    well first, we are co-captains. I already told my co-cap that Player #11 understood that she's not the strongest player, and would play wherever needed; I thought that settled it. Behind my back, she told #11 she's off the team. There's no league rule about this - we can have as many team members as we want, and as many subs too. Obviously each match, we field only ten players but in my long experience, all ten rarely can play, so we're always mining the sub list.

    I'll refer to my co-cap as "Kim Jong Un" for now, as she seems to think she is a dictator with exclusive rights to make these kinds of decisions. My worst regret is that Player 11 is truly crushed by this decision, and she's one of the nicest people I know. I think the only way to "appeal" it is to take a team vote, but am afraid that will form a rift between me and Jong Un, or create general dissention among players. It's like she's defiantly developing enriched uranium, and the rest of us don't know whether to ignore it, or start drone strikes.

    As for me and Jong Un, we previously have been friends. She's alienating me now by acting this way.
     
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  8. sundaypunch

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    Who want's to be a "co captain" with a person like that? Tell your #11 that you will go to another team with her.
     
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  9. Fuji

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    This is such a terrible story. I feel for #11.

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  10. Baxter

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    Nobody wants to be number 11. We had a weak player who was only scheduled for three matches so he jumped ship to a weaker team. I would not be happy as a sub.
     
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  11. J_R_B

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    We have a 20 person roster limit, and I need every single one of them.
     
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  12. jc4.0

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    Problem is - at our club there is no 3.5 team, where she could be a "star". If I were her, I'd go to another club entirely, there are lots more teams around.

    As for Jong-un, we are still having it out, she's such a bee-atch, but I'm firmly established on this team (she's been on it for one year); so I hope we can just work this out with no further problems. Watch this space... (if you like drama - frankly, I don't!!!!)
     
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  13. Setmatch45

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    Wow that is a shame. For us to field 8 for our matches we have 20 or so players every year. Some of them know they won't get many matches and also will not play at districts or sectionals. But what having them does do is make sure we do not default but also they progress to being one of the main players in time as they improve. This person seems to have the stuff she works hard and has a good attitude she is going to become a player for another team as she improves and in the end your capitan will regret the cut.

    We just played our district and while we won the team that came in second had many players that played for us in the past and got sick of not getting matches or being put on the second team and over time they got upset and left. One of them I thought would be my partner for this year.

    Theese people that get cut or they are not given matches can come back to haunt the people that cut them.
     
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  14. shell

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    I have a feeling that the ghost of #11 is going to haunt your team this season, in the form of "dead" matches forfeited due to lack of players.
     
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  15. goober

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    Bad move to cut last person on a 11 person team especially if she is a hard worker and generally well liked. She should have just kept on her on the team and played her when your team was playing weaker team or you needed a sub and nobody else is available. Is your captain new to captaining? 11-person roster is not even that large. I have come close to defaulting with a 16 man roster, so I don't know how roster of 10 only is going to work out.
     
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  16. jc4.0

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    Jong Un was captain once before - in fact ironically she was co-captain with the player she just cut from the team! Basically, she's just an idiot. Player #11 is a bona-fide 4.0 player and the hardest working player at our club. She's always taking clinics and private coaching, and plays with real heart. I'd rather have her on the team than plenty of people who have had better results, but poor attitudes.

    Right now I'm just trying to mend fences so me and Jong Un can do our jobs as captains for the team. Unfortunately I predict more disagreements in the future.
     
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  17. goober

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    Whaaaat- she cut her former cocaptain? A little drama in women's tennis at the club. I am shocked...

    You have two choices- a mutiny with other women and drive her out or jump ship or refuse to play. OR you must become like Ri Sol-Ju and be Jong Un's stylish, more forward thinking better half.
     
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  18. jc4.0

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    Who is Ri Sol-Ju? Sounds good. I'm not into a mutiny thing, because it would ultimately damage the team. The rest of us team members really don't want this kind of emotional espionage - only Jong Un. She's very needy emotionally...

    And I'm not going to quit the team. If anybody goes, it'll be her. She's not the best person on the team, she's middle of the pack - and if she pushes too hard, we'll replace her. I definitely don't want it to come to that.
     
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  19. goober

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    The dear dictator's new wife. Dresses stylishly for N. Korea standards and has been to West
     
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  20. mucat

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    Women. :rolleyes:

    I am glad family mucat and tennis mucat are separated.
     
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