Players who reached SF at GS events - Open era.

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  1. Doug_Hartley_2012

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    Aussies to make semis of all 4 Majors in the Open era - just 4 guys, in order, Laver AND Roche, both in 1969; Rosewall in 1971; and Rafter many, many years later. Newk, Cash, McNamara, Hewitt and Philippoussis probably the closest of the rest.
     
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  2. vive le beau jeu !

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    maybe it was already mentioned in the thread, but in addition to the current top4 you can also add roche, okker and mecir !
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/show...dberg+rafter+federer+agassi+mecir#post2481740
     
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  3. kiki

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    Rosewall,Newcombe and Stolle ( and lately, Alexander) came from urban Australia, raised in well off families.Roche,Laver and Emmo ( and lately, Dent) were born in countryside, raised in modest farming families.Big difference.
     
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  4. Doug_Hartley_2012

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    kiki, OR Rosewall, Stolle, Newcombe and Roche were essentially Sydney boys or at least gravitated there, whereas Laver and Emerson and Anderson were Queenslanders. Emmo and Laver both came from central Queensland so they had both origin in common and probably their player development as well. I don't think money had anything to do with it, or urban v rural. More like State of Origin!
     
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    You´ll probably know that better but there were and there are cultural differences that also translate into menthailties.I heard Roche´s father was a farmer, same as Laver and Emerson.This was stated by the own Laver.

    I also heard Dent came off a rich family, but Alexander not.I switched terms there in my last post.Other pros with rich parents ( or pretty well off, let´s say middle to high class) have been Roscoe Tanner,Vitas Gerulaitis,John Mc Enroe,Pete Sampras,Okker,Tracy Austin,Guillermo Vilas, Boris Becker.From working class or middle to low clases families came Santana,Perry, Orantes,Panatta,Wilander,Ashe,Edberg,Pancho Gonzales,Connors,Borg,Evert,Goolagong,Wade.

    It is difficult to classify the east block players such as Kodes,Navratilova,Lendl,Nastase,Mandlikova,Metrevali,Pilic because of the communist thing.Some of them looked more well off, some less but still harder to tell than in the so called Free World.
     
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    Rosewall also beat Laver in the 1966 French Pro final, so 4 consecutive years Rosewall beat Laver in the final of that tournament, all of them on indoor wood.

    Yes, that's true. As has already been mentioned, Rosewall beat Laver in 4 straight French Pro finals from 1963-1966, 2 US Pro finals in 1963 and 1965, while Laver was never runner-up of the Wembley Pro as he won all 4 of his finals, 3 of them against Rosewall.

    And, of course, going into the open era, Rosewall beat Laver in the final of the 1968 French Open as well as the 1971 and 1972 WCT Finals in Dallas. Laver beat Rosewall in the 1969 French Open final.
     
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    ...and the 1970 Sidney International and several other events...
     
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    If one goes to important pro tournaments, i have Laver vs. Rosewall at Wembley 3-0, at US pro 3-2, at Coubertin pro 0-4, and at Wimbledon 1-0. One can consider for some years the Forest Hills event (mostly round robin with semi and final), the MSQ Garden event, the Johannesburg event or the US pro indoor event as important pro events as well.
     
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  9. kiki

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    In any case, a Laver vs Rosewall debate is just as bit passionating as a Hoad vs Gonzales ( or Kramer vs Gonzales), Budge vs Perry,Borg vs Mc Enroe, Lendl vs Becker, Edberg vs Becker, Sampras vs Agassi or Nadal vs Federer.Those rivalries gave a big lift to tennis.
     
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    Here's their matches. Rosewall wins in red, Laver wins in blue.

    Rod Laver 80-63 Ken Rosewall
    1963 Australasian Tour - Sydney White City: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-3, 6-3, 6-4)
    1963 Australasian Tour - Brisbane Milton: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (3-6, 10-8, 6-2, 6-3)
    1963 Australasian Tour - Melbourne: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-3, 3-6, 7-5, 6-2)
    1963 Australasian Tour - Canberra: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (10-8, 6-3)
    1963 Australasian Tour - Adelaide: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-1, 6-2, 6-2)
    1963 Australasian Tour - Auckland: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-4, 6-4)
    1963 Australasian Tour - Dunedin: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (10-8, 6-4)
    1963 Australasian Tour - Napier: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-1, 6-3)
    1963 Australasian Tour - Palmerston North: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (7-9, 6-3, 6-4)
    1963 Australasian Tour - Masterton: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-2, 6-3)
    1963 Australasian Tour - Wellington: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-3, 6-3)
    1963 Australasian Tour - Hamilton: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-3, 7-5)
    1963 North American Tour (First Phase) - NYC, MSG: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (12-10)
    1963 North American Tour (First Phase) - College Park: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (8-5)
    1963 North American Tour (First Phase) - Baltimore: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (8-4)
    1963 North American Tour (First Phase) - Montreal: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (8-6)
    1963 North American Tour (First Phase) - Kansas City: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (12-10)
    1963 Cleveland TPPO: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (9-7)
    1963 North American Tour (First Phase) - Louisville: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (8-3)
    1963 North American Tour (First Phase) - Wheaton: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (8-6)
    1963 North American Tour (First Phase) - Bermuda: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (10-8 )
    1963 North American Tour (Final Phase) - San Francisco: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (3-6, 6-3, 6-4)
    1963 North American Tour (Final Phase) - Los Angeles: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (10-8, 7-5)
    1963 North American Tour (Final Phase) - Salt Lake City: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-4, 16-18, 6-4)
    1963 North American Tour (Final Phase) - Denver: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-3, 6-2)
    1963 North American Tour (Final Phase) - Winnipeg: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (?)
    1963 North American Tour (Final Phase) - Unknown City: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (?)
    1963 North American Tour (Final Phase) - Unknown City: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (?)
    1963 North American Tour (Final Phase) - Unknown City: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (?)
    1963 North American Tour (Final Phase) - Hershey: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (?)
    1963 North American Tour (Final Phase) - New Haven: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (?)
    1963 North American Tour (Final Phase) - NYC, MSG: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-0, 6-3)
    1963 North American Tour (Final Phase) - Corvallis: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (10-8, 7-5)
    1963 North American Tour (Final Phase) - Unknown City: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (?)
    1963 North American Tour (Final Phase) - Medford: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-1, 6-3)
    1963 North American Tour (Final Phase) - Eugene: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-2, 6-2)
    1963 North American Tour (Final Phase) - Seattle: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-2, 3-6, 6-3)
    1963 North American Tour (Final Phase) - Unknown City: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (?)
    1963 North American Tour (Final Phase) - Unknown City: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (?)
    1963 Los Angeles Pro F: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (14-12, 6-4, 6-3)
    1963 US Pro F: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-4, 6-2, 6-2)
    1963 Kitzbuhel Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-3, 6-4, 6-4)
    1963 Cannes Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-2, 6-3, 6-4)
    1963 French Pro F: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-8, 6-4, 5-7, 6-3, 6-4)
    1963 Italian Pro F: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-4, 6-3)
    1964 Western Australia Pro RR: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-2, 6-1)
    1964 Melbourne Pro F: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-4, 6-4)
    1964 New Zealand Tour - Hamilton East: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (5-7, 6-3, 6-1)
    1964 New Zealand Tour - Nelson: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (7-5, 6-2)
    1964 New Zealand Tour - Palmerston North: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (?)
    1964 New Zealand Tour - Unknown City: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (?)
    1964 Monterey Pro SF: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (11-9, 6-3)
    1964 US Pro SF: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-3, 6-3, 7-9, 6-2)
    1964 Nottingham: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-2, 6-3)
    1964 Knokke-le-Zoute Pro SF: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-1, 6-1)
    1964 Montreux: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-1, 6-3)
    1964 French Pro F: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-3, 7-5, 3-6, 6-3)
    1964 Wembley Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (7-5, 5-7, 4-6, 8-6, 8-6)
    1964 Faenza: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (7-5, 6-4)
    1964 Torino: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (8-6, 6-2)
    1964 Bloemfontein: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (8-6, 6-4)
    1964 London: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-4, 3-6, 6-4)
    1964 Durban: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-4, 9-7)
    1964 Johannesburg: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-4, 6-1, 6-4)
    1965 Queensland Pro F: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-8, 6-2, 6-4)
    1965 South Australia Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-3, 6-4)
    1965 Victoria Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (2-6, 6-1, 6-4)
    1965 Greater Seattle Pro SF: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-8, 15-13, 6-4)
    1965 Lake Tahoe Pro SF: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-3, 3-6, 6-1)
    1965 Greater Washington Pro F: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (8-6, 6-1)
    1965 St. Louis Pro SF: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-1, 6-4)
    1965 Newport Pro RR: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (31-21)
    1965 Newport Pro PO: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (31-28 )
    1965 US Pro F: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-4, 6-3, 6-3)
    1965 French Pro F: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-3, 6-2, 6-4)
    1965 Brighton: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (1-6, 6-2, 6-4)
    1965 Nairobi Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-1, 4-6, 6-2)
    1965 Rhodesian Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (3-6, 6-4, 6-1)
    1965 Natal Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-2, 8-6)
    1965 London: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (?)
    1965 Johannesburg: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (5-7, 6-4, 6-2, 6-4)
    1965 Western Province Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (4-6, 6-3, 6-3)
    1966 Victoria Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-3, 6-0)
    1966 Shepparton: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (7-5, 9-7)
    1966 Western Australia Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-2, 10-8 )
    1966 New York City Pro F: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-3, 6-3)
    1966 Forest Hills Pro RR: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (31-20)
    1966 Forest Hills F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (31-29)
    1966 San Rafael RR: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (31-29)
    1966 Newport Pro RR: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (31-23)
    1966 US Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-4, 4-6, 6-2, 8-10, 6-3)
    1966 Wembley Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-2, 6-2, 6-3)
    1966 French Pro F: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-3, 6-2, 14-12)
    1966 Johannesburg Pro F: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (31-26)
    1966 Port Elizabeth: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-3, 7-5)
    1966 Western Province Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (5-7, 6-4, 7-5)
     
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    1967 Boston Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-4, 6-0)
    1967 Paris Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-0, 10-8, 10-8 )
    1967 Los Angeles Pro F: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-2, 2-6, 7-5)
    1967 Pacific Coast Pro - Berkeley F: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (4-6, 6-3, 8-6)
    1967 New York City Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-4, 6-4)
    1967 Newport Beach Pro F: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-3, 6-3)
    1967 World Pro - Oklahoma City F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-2, 3-6, 6-4)
    1967 Newport Pro RR: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (31-20)
    1967 Wimbledon Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-2, 6-2, 12-10)
    1967 Transvaal Pro: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-3, 6-2)
    1967 East London Pro TPPO: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (8-5)
    1967 Mbabane: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-2, 8-6)
    1967 Wembley Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (2-6, 6-1, 1-6, 8-6, 6-2)
    1968 BBC2 World Invitation Champs Pro – Wembley F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-3, 10-8 )
    1968 Bournemouth Open F: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (3-6, 6-2, 6-0, 6-3)
    1968 Wembley Invitation Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-0, 6-1, 6-0)
    1968 New York City Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (4-6, 6-3, 9-7, 6-4)
    1968 French Open F: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-3, 6-1, 2-6, 6-2)
    1968 Pacific Southwest Open – Los Angeles F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (4-6, 6-0, 6-0)
    1968 Nashville F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-2, 6-3)
    1969 Philadelphia Open SF: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-4, 6-2)
    1969 Orlando Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-3, 6-2)
    1969 Oakland Pro SF: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-3, 6-3)
    1969 BBC2 World Pro – Wembley F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (8-6, 6-0)
    1969 Amsterdam RR: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-2, 1-6, 6-3)
    1969 French Open F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-4, 6-3, 6-4)
    1969 Longwood SF: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-3, 5-7, 6-2, 6-3)
    1969 Fort Worth Pro F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-3, 6-2)
    1969 Hamburg: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (2-6, 7-5, 8-6)
    1970 Dunlop Sydney Open F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (3-6, 6-2, 3-6, 6-2, 6-3)
    1970 WCT St. Louis F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-1, 6-4)
    1970 New York City Indoor F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-4, 6-3, 6-3)
    1970 WCT Louisville SF: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-4, 1-6, 6-1)
    1970 Masters RR: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (5-6, 6-3, 6-5)
    1971 New York City: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-3, 6-2, 7-5)
    1971 WCT Fort Worth QF: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (7-5, 5-7, 6-2)
    1971 WCT Washington R16: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (5-7, 6-3, 6-1)
    1971 WCT Berkeley F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-4, 6-4, 7-6)
    1971 WCT Dallas F: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-4, 1-6, 7-6, 7-6)
    1972 WCT Philadelphia F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (4-6, 6-2, 6-2, 6-2)
    1972 WCT Toronto F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-1, 6-4)
    1972 WCT Houston F: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-2, 6-4)
    1972 WCT Dallas F: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (4-6, 6-0, 6-3, 6-7, 7-6)
    1973 WCT Dallas TPPO: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-3, 6-2)
    1973 Sydney SF: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-4, 3-6, 8-6)
    1976 WCT Challenge Cup RR: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (6-4, 6-1, 6-3)
    1976 WCT Houston R16: Ken Rosewall def. Rod Laver (3-6, 6-4, 6-3)
     
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  12. Doug_Hartley_2012

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    That's a great list. I don't concede that it actually tells you much about who was better. Laver has a raw advantage in total head to head, but Rosewall seemed more dangerous in the big finals. Laver was younger when they first met - 24 vs 28 - which also meant he did not play Rosewall when Ken was at his peak. Both players tended to fade a bit around age 35 but Rosewall found a second wind. I think their rivalry is the greatest in the history of the game, more than 140 matches across 14 seasons of elite competition. I don't think we'll see that again.
     
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