Players with winning record over Big 3

[USO]

Djokovic: 11

• Andy Roddick 4–5
• Ivo Karlović 1–2
• Fernando González 1–2
• Filippo Volandri 0–1
• Jiří Veselý 0–1
• Lorenzo Sonego 0–1
• Taro Daniel 0–1
• Antony Dupuis 0–1
• Dennis van Scheppingen 0–1
• Nick Kyrgios 0–2
• Marat Safin 0–2

Nadal: 9

• Novak Djokovic 27–29
• Nikolay Davydenko 5–6
• Dominik Hrbatý 1–3
• Àlex Corretja 0–2
• Dustin Brown 0–2
• Chris Guccione 0–1
• Joachim Johansson 0–1
• Olivier Mutis 0–1
• Paradorn Srichaphan 0–1

Djokovic should be careful (some people are saying that he tanked today) because this might eventually be a major argument against him as factors in GOAT debates change every day or so it seems...

I couldn’t find it for Federer maybe someone can post it but he is older so it’s normal that he might have more at this point.

But Djokovic starting to have more and more losing records compared to Nadal despite being younger is not a good look.

Let’s see if this thread will again be deleted and considered trolling...

 

[Towny]

I mean... it is trolling though right?

 

[Lleytonstation]

Dominik Hrbatý 1–3

 

[Heliath]

First time they met, Rafa was like 16 playing on carpet.

 

[TheNachoMan]

a lot of “weak era” players such as Davydenko, Roddick and Gonzalez on this list..

makes you think

 

[USO]

I mean... it is trolling though right?

No it is not. Everyone is talking about how great Djokovic is so why not also give another side? These are stats and I think if he did tank like some people are saying, it's not a good thing. Having losing records to players is certainly not something positive and could be an argument against him. He should take every match seriously. If someone posts a bad stat about Fedal I would not complain about bait/trolling and I will reply with an argument and opinion.

 

[UnforcedTerror]

I think Djokovic should focus on keeping his winning record against Bull and Fed and he'll be fine.

 

[USO]

I think Djokovic should focus on keeping his winning record against Bull and Fed and he'll be fine.

Things change. Maybe soon the least losing record will be seen as the most important h2h argument.

 

[daggerman]

I'm sure one of Novak's biggest goals of 2021 will be to even the score with Taro Daniel

 

[ibbi]

He also leads the one with Federer.

 

[Towny]

No it is not. Everyone is talking about how great Djokovic is so why not also give another side? These are stats and I think if he did tank like some people are saying, it's not a good thing. Having losing records to players is certainly not something positive and could be an argument against him. He should take every match seriously. If someone posts a bad stat about Fedal I would not complain about bait/trolling and I will reply with an argument and opinion.

I have no issue with posting negative stats about any of the Big 3 or making arguments for or against them. But at the end of the day, no one is seriously going to be tipped over into thinking Nadal is GOAT over Novak because he lost a match to Sonego. There are far more important reasons to view Nadal or Djokovic better than the other than that reason.

1-0 record against Peak Fed in 2004. Hrbaty GOAT

 

[ABCD]

Nadal (9 negative)

Opponent​	Best Rank​	Matches​	Won​	Lost​	Win %​	Last Match​	Stats​	H2H​
Novak Djokovic	1	56	27	29	48.2%	W [ 6-0 6-2 7-5 ] at 2020 Roland Garros Clay F	Stats	H2H
Nikolay Davydenko	3	11	5	6	45.5%	W [ 6-2 6-2 ] at 2012 Madrid Masters Clay R32	Stats	H2H
Dominik Hrbaty	12	4	1	3	25.0%	W [ 6-1 6-2 ] at 2005 Barcelona Clay R16	Stats	H2H
Alex Corretja	2	2	0	2	0.0%	L [ 6-2 3-6 6-4 ] at 2003 Madrid Masters Hard (i) R64	Stats	H2H
Dustin Brown	64	2	0	2	0.0%	L [ 7-5 3-6 6-4 6-4 ] at 2015 Wimbledon Grass R64	Stats	H2H
Paradorn Srichaphan	9	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 6-4 6-4 6-2 ] at 2003 Wimbledon Grass R32	Stats	H2H
Joachim Johansson	9	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 6-4 7-6(4) ] at 2006 Stockholm Hard (i) R16	Stats	H2H
Chris Guccione	67	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 6-5 RET ] at 2007 Sydney Hard R32	Stats	H2H
Olivier Mutis	71	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 6-3 6-3 ] at 2004 Palermo Clay R16	Stats	H2H

 

[TripleATeam]

Honestly, I'm more impressed with the fact Nadal has a losing record to 2 players currently on tour. That's insane.

 

[ABCD]

Djokovic (11 negative including Sonego)

Opponent​	Best Rank​	Matches​	Won​	Lost​	Win %​	Last Match​
Andy Roddick	1	9	4	5	44.4%	W [ 6-2 6-1 ] at 2012 London Olympics Grass R32
Fernando Gonzalez	5	3	1	2	33.3%	L [ 7-5 5-7 7-5 ] at 2006 Madrid Masters Hard (i) QF
Ivo Karlovic	14	3	1	2	33.3%	L [ 6-7(2) 7-6(6) 6-4 ] at 2015 Doha Hard QF
Marat Safin	1	2	0	2	0.0%	L [ 6-4 7-6(3) 6-2 ] at 2008 Wimbledon Grass R64
Nick Kyrgios	13	2	0	2	0.0%	L [ 6-4 7-6(3) ] at 2017 Indian Wells Masters Hard R16
Jiri Vesely	35	2	0	1	0.0%	W [ W/O ] at 2016 US Open Hard R64
Filippo Volandri	25	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 7-6(5) 6-1 ] at 2004 Umag Clay R32
Antony Dupuis	57	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 6-4 7-5 ] at 2005 Valencia Clay R32
Taro Daniel	64	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 7-6(3) 4-6 6-1 ] at 2018 Indian Wells Masters Hard R64
Dennis Van Scheppingen	72	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 4-6 7-5 6-4 ] at 2004 Bangkok Hard (i) R32

 

[StrongRule]

I mean... it is trolling though right?

Of course it is.

However, I must say it is really satisfying that in the last few years Djokovic fans lost the argument of him never losing to weaker players, unlike Nadal.

 

[ABCD]

Federer (25 negative' see also next post)

Opponent	Best Rank	Matches	Won	Lost	Win %	Last Match	Stats	H2H
Novak Djokovic	1	51	23	27	46.0%
Rafael Nadal	1	41	16	24	40.0%
Alexander Zverev	3	7	3	4	42.9%
Dominic Thiem	3	7	2	5	28.6%
Yevgeny Kafelnikov	1	6	2	4	33.3%
Alex Corretja	2	5	2	3	40.0%
Thomas Enqvist	4	5	1	3	25.0%

Gustavo Kuerten	1	3	1	2	33.3%
Patrick Rafter	1	3	0	3	0.0%
Wayne Ferreira	6	3	1	2	33.3%
Dominik Hrbaty	12	3	1	2	33.3%
Franco Squillari	11	2	0	2	0.0%
Sergi Bruguera	3	1	0	1	0.0%
Andrei Medvedev	4	1	0	1	0.0%
Andrey Rublev	8	1	0	1	0.0%

 

[ABCD]

Federer (25 negative)

Jan Siemerink	14	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 7-6(5) 6-2 ] at 1998 Toulouse Hard (i) QF
Andrea Gaudenzi	18	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 6-4 6-4 ] at 2002 Rome Masters Clay R64
Francisco Clavet	18	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 7-6(3) 7-6(4) ] at 2000 Cincinnati Masters Hard R64
Byron Black	22	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 6-3 6-0 ] at 1999 Queen's Club Grass R64
Kenneth Carlsen	41	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 7-5 7-6(4) ] at 1999 Miami Masters Hard R128
Evgeny Donskoy	65	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 3-6 7-6(7) 7-6(5) ] at 2017 Dubai Hard R16
Thanasi Kokkinakis	69	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 3-6 6-3 7-6(4) ] at 2018 Miami Masters Hard R64
Markus Hantschk	71	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 6-2 6-1 ] at 2000 St. Poelten Clay R32
Lucas Arnold Ker	77	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 6-4 6-4 ] at 1998 Gstaad Clay R32
James Sekulov	123	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 6-4 7-5 ] at 2000 Indianapolis Hard R64
Christophe Van Garsse	131	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 7-6(4) 3-6 1-6 7-5 6-1 ] at 1999 Davis Cup WG Clay QF

 

[USO]

Nadal (9 negative)

Opponent​	Best Rank​	Matches​	Won​	Lost​	Win %​	Last Match​	Stats​	H2H​
Novak Djokovic	1	56	27	29	48.2%	W [ 6-0 6-2 7-5 ] at 2020 Roland Garros Clay F	Stats	H2H
Nikolay Davydenko	3	11	5	6	45.5%	W [ 6-2 6-2 ] at 2012 Madrid Masters Clay R32	Stats	H2H
Dominik Hrbaty	12	4	1	3	25.0%	W [ 6-1 6-2 ] at 2005 Barcelona Clay R16	Stats	H2H
Alex Corretja	2	2	0	2	0.0%	L [ 6-2 3-6 6-4 ] at 2003 Madrid Masters Hard (i) R64	Stats	H2H
Dustin Brown	64	2	0	2	0.0%	L [ 7-5 3-6 6-4 6-4 ] at 2015 Wimbledon Grass R64	Stats	H2H
Paradorn Srichaphan	9	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 6-4 6-4 6-2 ] at 2003 Wimbledon Grass R32	Stats	H2H
Joachim Johansson	9	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 6-4 7-6(4) ] at 2006 Stockholm Hard (i) R16	Stats	H2H
Chris Guccione	67	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 6-5 RET ] at 2007 Sydney Hard R32	Stats	H2H
Olivier Mutis	71	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 6-3 6-3 ] at 2004 Palermo Clay R16	Stats	H2H

Thanks I missed a column while copying, I edited the 1st post.

 

[ABCD]

10+ matches played

Federer 2 negative

Opponent	Best Rank	Matches	Won	Lost	Win %	Last Match	Stats	H2H
Novak Djokovic	1	51	23	27	46.0%	L [ 7-6(1) 6-4 6-3 ] at 2020 Australian Open Hard SF	Stats	H2H
Rafael Nadal	1	41	16	24	40.0%	W [ 7-6(3) 1-6 6-3 6-4 ] at 2019 Wimbledon Grass SF	Stats	H2H

Nadal 2 negative

Opponent	Best Rank	Matches	Won	Lost	Win %	Last Match	Stats	H2H
Novak Djokovic	1	56	27	29	48.2%	W [ 6-0 6-2 7-5 ] at 2020 Roland Garros Clay F	Stats	H2H
Nikolay Davydenko	3	11	5	6	45.5%	W [ 6-2 6-2 ] at 2012 Madrid Masters Clay R32	Stats	H2H

Djokovic 0 negative

 

[USO]

10+ matches played

Federer 2 negative

Opponent	Best Rank	Matches	Won	Lost	Win %	Last Match	Stats	H2H
Novak Djokovic	1	51	23	27	46.0%	L [ 7-6(1) 6-4 6-3 ] at 2020 Australian Open Hard SF	Stats	H2H
Rafael Nadal	1	41	16	24	40.0%	W [ 7-6(3) 1-6 6-3 6-4 ] at 2019 Wimbledon Grass SF	Stats	H2H

Nadal 2 negative

Opponent	Best Rank	Matches	Won	Lost	Win %	Last Match	Stats	H2H
Novak Djokovic	1	56	27	29	48.2%	W [ 6-0 6-2 7-5 ] at 2020 Roland Garros Clay F	Stats	H2H
Nikolay Davydenko	3	11	5	6	45.5%	W [ 6-2 6-2 ] at 2012 Madrid Masters Clay R32	Stats	H2H

Djokovic 0 negative

Why 10+ and not 9+? It seems suspicious. This thread is about losing records overall... But thanks for posting all your stats.

Ideally I would want to see the losing records in slams but it would take too long I think.

 

[Phoenix1983]

Djokovic: 11

• Andy Roddick 4–5
• Ivo Karlović 1–2
• Fernando González 1–2
• Filippo Volandri 0–1
• Jiří Veselý 0–1
• Lorenzo Sonego 0–1
• Taro Daniel 0–1
• Antony Dupuis 0–1
• Dennis van Scheppingen 0–1
• Nick Kyrgios 0–2
• Marat Safin 0–2

Nadal: 9

• Novak Djokovic 27–29
• Nikolay Davydenko 5–6
• Dominik Hrbatý 1–3
• Àlex Corretja 0–2
• Dustin Brown 0–2
• Chris Guccione 0–1
• Joachim Johansson 0–1
• Olivier Mutis 0–1
• Paradorn Srichaphan 0–1

Djokovic should be careful (some people are saying that he tanked today) because this might eventually be a major argument against him as factors in GOAT debates change every day or so it seems...

I couldn’t find it for Federer maybe someone can post it but he is older so it’s normal that he might have more at this point.

But Djokovic starting to have more and more losing records compared to Nadal despite being younger is not a good look.

Let’s see if this thread will again be deleted and considered trolling...

I'd say that it has to be at least 5 matches to be relevant.

In which case, Novak Djokovic has 1 losing record (vs. Roddick), and Nadal has 2 (vs. Davydenko and Novak Djokovic).

Both of them will therefore finish with 1 losing record guaranteed (Roddick and Davydenko respectively).

It comes down to who of them wins the H2H vs. each other, to determine who has the fewest weak H2H records.

Agreed upon by all objective tennis observers.

 

[ABCD]

5+ matches played

Federer 6 negative

Opponent	Best Rank	Matches	Won	Lost	Win %	Last Match	Stats	H2H
Novak Djokovic	1	51	23	27	46.0%	L [ 7-6(1) 6-4 6-3 ] at 2020 Australian Open Hard SF	Stats	H2H
Rafael Nadal	1	41	16	24	40.0%	W [ 7-6(3) 1-6 6-3 6-4 ] at 2019 Wimbledon Grass SF	Stats	H2H
Alexander Zverev	3	7	3	4	42.9%	L [ 6-3 6-7(7) 6-3 ] at 2019 Shanghai Masters Hard QF	Stats	H2H
Dominic Thiem	3	7	2	5	28.6%	L [ 7-5 7-5 ] at 2019 Tour Finals Hard (i) RR	Stats	H2H
Yevgeny Kafelnikov	1	6	2	4	33.3%	W [ 7-6(6) 6-1 6-1 ] at 2002 Davis Cup WG Clay R16	Stats	H2H
Alex Corretja	2	5	2	3	40.0%	W [ 6-4 6-3 ] at 2003 Madrid Masters Hard (i) R32	Stats	H2H

 

[ABCD]

5+ matches played

Nadal 2 negative

Opponent	Best Rank	Matches	Won	Lost	Win %	Last Match	Stats	H2H
Novak Djokovic	1	56	27	29	48.2%	W [ 6-0 6-2 7-5 ] at 2020 Roland Garros Clay F	Stats	H2H
Nikolay Davydenko	3	11	5	6	45.5%	W [ 6-2 6-2 ] at 2012 Madrid Masters Clay R32	Stats	H2H

Djokovic 1 negative

Opponent	Best Rank	Matches	Won	Lost	Win %	Last Match	Stats	H2H
Andy Roddick	1	9	4	5	44.4%	W [ 6-2 6-1 ] at 2012 London Olympics Grass R32	Stats	H2H

 

[USO]

I'd say that it has to be at least 5 matches to be relevant.

In which case, Novak Djokovic has 1 losing record (vs. Roddick), and Nadal has 2 (vs. Davydenko and Novak Djokovic).

Both of them will therefore finish with 1 losing record guaranteed (Roddick and Davydenko respectively).

It comes down to who of them wins the H2H vs. each other, to determine who has the fewest weak H2H records.

Agreed upon by all objective tennis observers.

Not necessarily true...

Djokovic is for example 3-2 vs Zverev, 7-4 vs Thiem, 4-2 vs Tsitsipas, 4-2 vs Medvedev, etc.

Nadal is 2-2 vs Coric, 2-1 vs Shapovalov, 5-3 vs Kyrgios. 4-2 vs Goffin, etc.

Who knows what the future holds...

 

[Phoenix1983]

Not necessarily true...

Djokovic is for example 3-2 vs Zverev, 7-4 vs Thiem, 4-2 vs Tsitsipas, 4-2 vs Medvedev, etc.

Nadal is 2-2 vs Coric, 2-1 vs Shapovalov, 5-3 vs Kyrgios. 4-2 vs Goffin, etc.

Who knows what the future holds...

Reasonable point. I was assuming the young generation remain mugs against them.

 

[USO]

Reasonable point. I was assuming the young generation remain mugs against them.

The issue I think is more that Djokovic and Nadal will be getting older and therefore more prone to losing...

 

[ABCD]

I couldn’t find it for Federer maybe someone can post it but he is older so it’s normal that he might have more at this point.

If you wish, you can add data about Federer I posted; it would make your post/thread complete/honest as it relates to Big 3. Otherwise, it might look like you try to hide some data; I know that you don't, but some people that don't know your honesty and objectivity may get wrong impression.

 

[USO]

If you wish, you can add data about Federer I posted; it would make your post/thread complete/honest as it relates to Big 3. Otherwise, it might look like you try to hide some data; I know that you don't, but some people that don't know your honesty and objectivity may get wrong impression.

Is there a way to make it simpler like the other two instead of the grids with all that info?

 

[r2473]

Honestly, I'm more impressed with the fact Nadal has a losing record to 2 players currently on tour. That's insane.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

The biggest takeaway that I have from all the posts above is that Federer has a negative record against a smaller number of players than Djokovic and Nadal after all 3 won their first slam.

Once again, Federer wins.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

Federer (25 negative)

Jan Siemerink	14	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 7-6(5) 6-2 ] at 1998 Toulouse Hard (i) QF
Andrea Gaudenzi	18	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 6-4 6-4 ] at 2002 Rome Masters Clay R64
Francisco Clavet	18	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 7-6(3) 7-6(4) ] at 2000 Cincinnati Masters Hard R64
Byron Black	22	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 6-3 6-0 ] at 1999 Queen's Club Grass R64
Kenneth Carlsen	41	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 7-5 7-6(4) ] at 1999 Miami Masters Hard R128
Evgeny Donskoy	65	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 3-6 7-6(7) 7-6(5) ] at 2017 Dubai Hard R16
Thanasi Kokkinakis	69	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 3-6 6-3 7-6(4) ] at 2018 Miami Masters Hard R64
Markus Hantschk	71	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 6-2 6-1 ] at 2000 St. Poelten Clay R32
Lucas Arnold Ker	77	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 6-4 6-4 ] at 1998 Gstaad Clay R32
James Sekulov	123	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 6-4 7-5 ] at 2000 Indianapolis Hard R64
Christophe Van Garsse	131	1	0	1	0.0%	L [ 7-6(4) 3-6 1-6 7-5 6-1 ] at 1999 Davis Cup WG Clay QF

Thank you so much for this information. You have truly helped Federer today once again

 

[ollinger]

Djokovic should be careful (some people are saying that he tanked today) because this might eventually be a major argument against him as factors in GOAT debates change every day or so it seems...

Let’s see if this thread will again be deleted and considered trolling

No, it will just be considered intellectually bankrupt. About half the "head to head" comparisons you cite involved all of ONE match. Intelligent persons would consider that an insufficient sample to draw any sort of informed conclusion. And you?

 

[USO]

No, it will just be considered intellectually bankrupt. About half the "head to head" comparisons you cite involved all of ONE match. Intelligent persons would consider that an insufficient sample to draw any sort of informed conclusion. And you?

After what I witnessed today I can draw many conclusions. Djokovic compared this tournament to the USO. He won only three games against a young talent that everyone says will have an amazing career. The match had a lot of meaning.

 

[Yugram]

a lot of “weak era” players such as Davydenko, Roddick and Gonzalez on this list..

makes you think

Makes you think about pre-prime Djokodal.

 

[TheNachoMan]

Makes you think about pre-prime Djokodal.

Rafa was in his physical prime from RG 05-AO 09 imo. He was no slouch

As for Djokovic, he was #3 in 2007. Almost beat Fed in USO that year but choked at set points

 

[itrium84]

Djokovic: 11

• Andy Roddick 4–5
• Ivo Karlović 1–2
• Fernando González 1–2
• Filippo Volandri 0–1
• Jiří Veselý 0–1
• Lorenzo Sonego 0–1
• Taro Daniel 0–1
• Antony Dupuis 0–1
• Dennis van Scheppingen 0–1
• Nick Kyrgios 0–2
• Marat Safin 0–2

Nadal: 9

• Novak Djokovic 27–29
• Nikolay Davydenko 5–6
• Dominik Hrbatý 1–3
• Àlex Corretja 0–2
• Dustin Brown 0–2
• Chris Guccione 0–1
• Joachim Johansson 0–1
• Olivier Mutis 0–1
• Paradorn Srichaphan 0–1

Djokovic should be careful (some people are saying that he tanked today) because this might eventually be a major argument against him as factors in GOAT debates change every day or so it seems...

I couldn’t find it for Federer maybe someone can post it but he is older so it’s normal that he might have more at this point.

But Djokovic starting to have more and more losing records compared to Nadal despite being younger is not a good look.

Let’s see if this thread will again be deleted and considered trolling...

Total=
Novak 6:19 (-13)
Rafa 33:46 (-13)

Pretty much exactly equal in this stat.