Playing 4 tournament singles matches in 1 day?? help

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  1. Gut4Tennis

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    I'm playing in a big event about 280 miles away

    Its a Wed-Sunday event with ages 35-85, not NTRP, just age divisions singles

    I got special permission to play in 2 singles events, as there is a small turn out for both my divisions

    One division has 5 players and the other has 4.

    In the 5 player division its semifinal and final, where the 4 player division its 3 rounds where we all play each other in a match, so 3 matches no matter what.

    In the rd robin 4 player event I'm scheduled for:
    Friday 6pm match
    Sat 12 noon
    Sat 430pm

    In the 5 player semi and final event I'm scheduled for:
    Sat 12 noon
    Sat 430pm

    1 match Fri, and 4 Sat with the 2 of the 4 sat at the same time as the others

    I emailed the director and asked if I could please play 1 fri, 2 matches sat, and 2 matches sun. He said I should be fine as a few of the matches are against 4.0 guys and I should have no problem. Even if all 4 matches are against 4.0 guys, 4 singles matches in 1 day is brutal. I do know at least 1 of the matches will be against another 5.0.

    I might be in the hospital after this event

    He said I might be able to play 2 matches friday, but he is not sure yet.

    I have a sick to my stomach feeling just thinking about playing 4 matches in 1 day in hot humid temp.

    At least its on clay, but still

    any advice?
     
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    You are in for a very bad day! Is it best of 3 sets? If you win every set you play 8 sets. That is insane.
     
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    Wow, that is not even allowed for junior tournaments when playing a third set tiebreak! The only advice I can give you is to drink a lot of water beforehand, and eat a lot of fruit. I personally always take a jar of pickles with me to tournaments in case of cramping - you might want to try that.
     
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    What I don't see is why you want to do this at all. You would be traveling at least 4 fours by car each way and staying at least one if not two nights away to play in a tournament with fields of only 5 and 4 entrants in the divisions you are entering, the majority of which you already know are well below your level. That is not even considering the insanity of four singles matches on a hot and humid day.
     
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    What is the match format? full third set or match tiebreak for third set?
     
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    Actually, now that I think about it, the maximum number of matches for 25-60 divisions is three per day, regardless of the match format.

    HOWEVER, the matches per day guideline applies to each division separately. So, this is legal.
     
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    X2. Pickle juice is amazing for preventing cramping. Also, drink a lot of coconut water. That stuff is great for maintaining electrolytes without a ton of useless sugar.

    I doubt I'd even consider doing that in hot/humid temperatures, but I have had heat stroke before and am scared of it. You will never be sicker in your life than you are with heat stroke/dehydration. Believe me.
     
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    Indeed, and thank you

    thanks a bunch buddy. great advice

    Points to help my national ranking. I'm trying to finish in the top 10 in 2 age divisions. Just a personal goal. Thank you very much

    I think full 3rd set. I will be coming to the net with every chance. Thanks

    Since I'm playing 2 divisions its legal. No more then 2 singles per day for each division, so yeah at least its legal, but its still insane.

    I just hope to win the 4.0 matches with almost no running in 30-45 min each. Thank you

    pray for me :shock:
     
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    Presumably no one is forcing you to play both divisions; it's just something you want to do since you're driving all that way? But then it doesn't look like you're keen to play so many matches over one weekend - can't say I blame you! So just pull out of the division with 5 people. That still leaves you with 3 matches in the round robin division. And the remaining people in the division you pulled out from will still be ok - can still do semis and finals with the 4, or maybe also play round robin so they actually benefit with an extra match each.

    EDIT: Just saw your post above re getting ranking in both divisions. Well then just something you have to weight pros and cons... your goal on one side, hospital on the other :)
     
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    Thanks buddy

    I will have electrolyte hammer pills, Himalayan salt, pickle juice, coconut water and many other herbal secrets :twisted:
     
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    I really appreciate the time you took to write and help me here. Thanks

    I think I can get the scheduling committee to give me another Friday night match under the lights, as I think I can do 3 matches Sat

    I will have to make points shorter and focus on attacking and finishing rather then grinding

    Looks like I need to restring with gut/poly vs poly/syn as the gut mains helps to have that finishing ball and better net play.
     
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    If the draws/schedule have been posted already, they should not be changing the schedule unless the opponent agrees to it.

    This is a question you should be directing to the referee, not the tournament director.
     
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    yes correct

    one of my opponents has a problem with the sat time, so it could be fri or sunday. i will certainly agree. i would rather it be friday so i dont have to stay another night in some strange hotel bed :-|
     
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    Saturday
    Clear. High of 79F. Winds less than 5 mph.

    with the weather mild it sure will make things easier
     
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    I played a tournament and two league matches earlier this year on the same weekend which turned into a match on Friday, 2 on Saturday, and 2 on Sunday. My first 4 matches were very easy and I was off the court in under an hour losing at most 3 games per match. Even though I spent very little energy on the first matches I lost in the last match due partially to fatigue. I believe my legs were shot not due to the length of play but instead the stopping and starting over 3 days. My condition is suspect though although improving.

    What age groups are you playing in which contain 4.0s though?

    My family is going out of town in July, and I am also considering playing a tournament in 2 different divisions but can't fully decide. The problem is the age divisions seem to have small draws so I am not sure if it is worth it.
     
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    Thanks for that great story you shared.

    I recommend you get a foam roller and the stick

    35 and 40 singles

    small draws playing 2 divisions are worth it. :)
     
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    This won't end well. I suggest you reconsider. At best you won't enjoy it, at worst you'll seriously injure yourself.
     
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    Trust me I'm making arrangements to play 2 matches friday and 3 sunday

    I can do that

    Thanks.

    ps: i have many secret nutritional & physio tricks up my sleeve
     
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    I'm really surprised that there are a bunch of 4.0s playing in 35s or even 40s. I did look shortly and in my area even the 45s seem to be pretty much solid 4.5-5.0 players. This also seems to be the sweet spot in terms of age group.
     
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    local guys that needed tournament match experience :)
     
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    its all bout your mindset, dude. just relax and play some tennis. bring a cooler with ice packs to cool your self down on changeovers and keep the fluids and nuts intake coming.
     
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    Not sure what you're trying to prove to yourself, but it's pointless. Even 3 matches is overkill, unless you don't expect any serious competition, then it's even more pointless.
     
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    Thank you for the degrading tone. You're opinion is just your opinion and not fact.

    I'm trying to get my national ranking higher, and this event gives me lots of points.

    Have a nice day
     
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    Depending on your physical conditioning, the weather, and your style of play, three singles matches in a day are certainly doable. It may depend on how good your opponents are. Compare: three matches with scores of 6-2, 6-1; 6-2, 6-2; and 6-3, 6-2 mean a total of 48 games played. Two matches with scores of 7-5, 5-7, 1-0; and 7-5, 7-6 give you a total of 50 games. If the matches are fairly lopsided, they may take little of you. If they are all competitive, you'll be in for a workout.

    I feel obligated to point out that you did this to yourself when you signed up for two singles divisions in the same tournament. LOL. Good luck!
     
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    What, there is not enough events otherwise? I still think it's not worth it to compromise your chances of winning in one division, but signing up for two. How many points to you get for winning the final match, vs winning two semi-final matches?
     
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    I thought I responded to this??

    Thank you for the detailed info. The goal is to try and very very efficient and win every point and finish the match very fast.

    You're 100% correct i put myself in this position and i will dig myself out

    :twisted:
     
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    My goal is to get a national ranking in 2 divisions in the top 10. Not many people have accomplished this so its a goal. This event is the perfect opportunity to play 2 divisions as there are not many entrants, so I entered 2 divisions, after getting permission. normally you would think they would schedule me better. it makes no sense as i have 2 matches scheduled for sat noon and another 2 for sat 430. they will have to change something.

    If I win both divisions I will be top 10 nationally in both.

    good night
     
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    I only had to play 3 in one day

    I won my first national event

    lost in the final of the other division.

    every part of my body is sore
     
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    New adventure details: I drove 290 miles to play in my first category II national tennis tournament in Wheeling West VA. Since the draws were small I entered 2 events the mens 35 and 40 singles( never again). I played 2 matches friday winning both. Camped out in my tent in the RV parking lot at Walmart ( no joke). Played 3 singles matches Sat. Won my first national event for the 40s and came in second for the 35s. Every muscle in my body is sore.

    5 matches in 2 days and never had to ice my knee. Clay is such a wonderful surface
     
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    good to hear, sounds like you had a good time.
     
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    Thanks. I did, and will go back next year
     
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    Details on the matches? How was the competition?
     
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    Congrats on the tourney. You are a brave man camping at Walmart. That place is like another planet.
     
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    2 guys were top 4.0's, 2 others were good 4.5's, and 1 was a 5.0

    all had very different styles. all very nice people

    Most of the 24hr ones have a section of the parking lot for RV's and campers. Its not like I was in danger or anything. or was I??
     
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    This is total BS on behalf of the tournament and its organizers.

    I just played three 4.0 singles matches in the span of 24hours.
    - 6:30pm Friday night, 1st round (the match went 3 sets, 6-1 3-6 6-3)
    - 8:00am next morning for the 2nd round (the match also went 3 sets 4-6 6-0 6-4)
    - 11:30am for quarters (lost 2-6 3-6)
    - 4:30pm for 4.0 doubles match, had to wait for my friend until he finished his singles match. We were exhausted by the time we started the match. (lost 2-6 6-4 4-6)

    My issue is with the singles schedule.

    I get it, the tournament doesn't have much control over time (they only have that one weekend), or the number of courts (I think they had 10 courts and they just threw everyone onto courts as soon as one match is done)

    But what you can do is, LIMIT THE DRAW. You can't just let everybody and anybody sign up only to end up making people play an absurd amount of matches in a limited time span. Adjust your draw sizes to the amount of courts at your disposal and whether or not this thing can go into a second weekend.

    For instance, I signed up last minute. If they were to disallow my entry because the scheduling couldn't accommodate players sufficiently, I'll be happy with it.
     
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    You played one match Friday and two matches Saturday .. if that's too much for you maybe tournaments aren't for you because while that is a fair amount of tennis it certainly isn't an absurd amount.

    Also , you say your issue is with the singles portion but you put your doubles match in your timeline there ... which means to me you didn't like having to then play a 3rd match Saturday ... tough noogies ... you signed up for both events.
     
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    Sounds like fun ... tiring ... but fun :)

    Congrats on the win!
     
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    Thanks.

    This win put my national ranking in the top 10. It gives me some leverage to approach some companies to see what deals I can get. I love getting free stuff at 40 years old since it was always what I wanted when i was 18 but it never happened.

    :twisted:
     
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    I left doubles out of it because like you said, i signed up for it.

    But the singles, two back-to-backs without significant time off in between matches were bs. They were rushing people who had won to go back onto the court if both players finished their singles match. I'll play back-to-back matches, but not if you already scheduled me to play the 1st match the night before, and the first of my back-to-back is ~12hours later.

    You can't rush people who finished their match back onto the court simply because you scheduled too many events, and allowed too many players to enter them, and not even courts to accommodate everyone.
     
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    Is it still free after you subtract all the money spent on travel and tournaments? :twisted:

    Also, I don't get it, why are you playing 4.0-5.0 players if you're in top 10? I would think there would be some 5.5-6.0 players in those divisions, especially 35s.

    Edit: Never mind, I think I understand. It's more about points than skill level. I see 6.5 in top 10 USTA 35s, yet 5.0 guy is ranked #1 (Obviously will lose quickly to 6.5 guy). I guess it still makes a difference for sponsors, since the more points you have, the more exposure you're giving your sponsor.
     
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    i prefer to play back to back as im still warm

    i kept my bags on the court and told the guy i needed no break so lets go
     
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    you really are searching for something negative to say aren't you?

    any tournament costs money. i camped out to save among other reasons

    every national event has a different level of difficulty due to who enters.

    all ranking are about points, even the pros. in the adult divisions they only take your best 4 events so its hard to make the top

    which player in the 35s do you think is a 6.5?

    the top guy in the 35s is a 5.5 I can assure you he is not a 5.0

    He has something like 28 national balls
     
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  43. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I would have been fine with it too (I think), but definitely not after I played a match just ~12hours ago.
     
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    Peace :)

    You're right, he's 5.5. I guess some ratings are out-of-date, since I see some guys who don't have a rating past 2011, or similar. However, there are some 5.0 guys in top 10.

    Ricardo Mena is in #9 spot, with 6.5 year-end rating in 2012.
     
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    most of those guys get more out of tournaments then they do a timed usta match, as I do as well
     
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