Playing Tournaments with a Sketchy Serve

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  1. arche3

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    Watched rest of vids on her site., in that lastnvid she is not the white hat girl. Watch it. White hat girls loops her racket around twice to serve. Deja has that reverse spin pancake serve.

    What are the chances of two gals with really weird serves?
     
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    This girl played 9 tournaments in CA with a 2-10 record in the past 12 months. Looks like a burn out to me.
     
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    The girl without the hat is Deja. Her dad was cheering for her in the video. The dad did a nice job commentating her every move.
     
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    He's talking to her into the video - as if to coach when she watches it later. Interesting.... and a little weird.
     
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    What is a bad stroke and who quantifies that? To me the job of a coach is to distinguish between a stroke that is bad according to a book vs a bad stroke for the kid. If a kid is playing an 'unconventional or flawed' stroke which by book is bad, the coach has to figure if it indeed is bad or will it become the kid's master stroke to rule the world. If the kid does go on to win the world, the books will get updated to include that 'unconventional' stroke as the next classic and suddenly everybody will start following it. Thats the real value of the coach - be open, experiment and build a game for the player rather than build the player for the game.
     
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    I didnt mean revolutionary when I said unconventional. I meant evolutionary. Of course the basic fundamentals are the same and I totally agree with you and thats what my point was - teach the basics and then improvise based on each kids/players strengths. I am not a tennis expert but Nadal's lasso forehand was unconventional 10 years back before Nadal made it popular and if 10-15 years back a kid was trying to hit a lasso forehand in every shot, a lot of coaches would have called it flawed and arm breaking and not natural or whatever. Today its ok to see 8-10 yr olds whipping lasso one after the other. Here is where a coach needs to jump in and analyse whether the lasso is good for a particular kid or not and make amends.

    Its interesting that yesterday only I was reading Pete Sampras auto-biography and that at the age of 14 his coach forced him to move from a double handed backhand to the single handed and it took 2 years of beating in the tournaments before it worked for him. His DHBH was not flawed but his coach was convinced that the SHBD was the one for him and together they worked towards it.

    Quoting Pete from the book -
    "Its an easy thing to overlook, but always remember that everyone is different. There is no one-size-fits-all formula for development; if there was, a dozen or more players would all stand atop the record book, with exactly two Grand Slam titles each. I wouldn't suggest that, say,Michael Chang would have benefited from going to a single-handed backhand, or that he would have won Wimbledon if he had made the change. A lot of other factors would also have to have fallen in place for that to happen.
    What I am saying is that its wise to look at your game and take the long view-where can your natural athletic inclinations take you in five, ten, fifteen years? Given Michael's size and the pace he generated, it would have been silly to try to create a power based server-and-volley game for him. It was clear in a dozen ways that he would be most effective as a counterpunching baseliner"
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpfcuanlWOc

    One can see that Rafa used lasso forehand when he had to run to his forehand side to hit balls cross court. I guess that he would have to run a few more inches to hit the same shot with a conventional forehand. The video clips below show that Rafa hit with more conventional forehand when he did not have to run much. Rafa would probably use conventional forehand to attack a short ball 90% of the time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6ePkVxJEs
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsLgd4eH3Q4
     
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    We have really been working hard on the serve. I have had alot of success lately teaching her the kick serve by having her stand out on the singles line on the ad side trying to make the ball kick into the side fence. Im really trying to focus on the racket head speed hitting up and landing inside the court on the left foot.I just want the same shape on every serve. She still sometimes struggles on the deuce side because she tends to open the shoulders up a littl;e to much. I know you want variety on the serve but right now i just want her to perfect her kicker.The top 12s can attack it because it gets up high in there strike zone but in a few years when it really matters its gonna be hard to handle.
     
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    Good drill. I have a nasty kick serve and the main reason for that is because my courts had a low fence on the sides so I always tried to kick it over on the add side. Great for doubles. Worked for me!
     
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    Its also the reason i have a good kicker.
     
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    I really think thats one of the problems with womens serves. Some coaches dont really focus on the kick serves with girls and they get stuck hitting it too flat or slicing it. I think the kick serve gives them soooo much margin for error and they get accustomed to swinging full out hitting up chest to the sky with a ton of racket head speed and wont be so prone to nerves and double faults. Maybe im wrong i just see how Serena and S.Stosur look soooo much better than most of the other women due to the fact that they hit the big kicker.
     
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    True. Also, I think another issue with it is that you can get burned by it if your not careful. If you leave it up to someone that has a good forehand, your done...so you got to take your lumps.
     
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    Thats why they have to learn to serve to there targets and mix up there spots. I would rather see a kid hit a big forehand winner off a second serve than see them double fault.
     
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  16. mrj1813

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    I was more just speaking generally, not singling out any one player's stroke. Since you bring it up though, i concur, AD's service motion is extremely awkward from what I've seen on the videos posted on this site. I can't help but think that at some point when the competition gets fiercer, it will become a huge liability. That is a stroke I would def say is flawed.

    sam
     
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  17. ga tennis

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    A.D. is gonna be fine. She has time to fix the serve. She has something about her that cant be taught. I like the way she fights and her shot making skills. If she gets with the right technical coach and keeps progressing for the future she will be great. Remember she is only 11.Plenty of time...
     
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    Girls usually don't serve big kick serves and they don't get to practice returning them either. My son played a mixed double match in an Open tournament before Christmas. The girl had no problem returning his 1st serves; but she either missed or floated back probably 90% of his kickers to her backhand. Big boys at the winter national also made many errors trying to attack his kickers.

    Stosur also likes to serve a big kicker as her 1st serve to the add side.

    BTW, I am really impressed with your daughter's ability to kick the ball to the side fence. She will surely make you proud!
     
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    Yes, a slow kicker that lands in 2-3 feet from the corner may be attacked with a big forehand. A well placed and decent paced kicker is very hard for a returner to run around and attack with forehand. Pros including Roger Federer often uses slices to return 80 miles kickers.
     
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