Playing with people from work

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  1. rh310

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    Work in a Wall St firm. After a year or more of "we should get together and play" among my peers and one superior, it finally happened this past Saturday.

    I play 4.0. One was a 2.5+, the other a 2.5, and the third wouldn't carry a rating. We wound up giving him unlimited serves just so he wouldn't DF on every point he started.

    It was OK socially, but for me the drive and the tennis aren't worth the trip. Now a couple of the guys (the 2.5+ and the 0.0) are all excited and want to do this regularly.

    We're all officers of the bank. The 2.5 levels are peers, and of course the 0.0 is a managing director and although not in my direct reporting line is a peer of my MD.

    Anybody ever extracted themselves from this type of situation?
     
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  2. NTexas

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    So you want to get out of hitting with them because you are better than them? If so, I sure hope you don't ever need their help at work. Cause they might not help.
     
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  3. LeeD

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    Happens all the time.
    Not only at work, but at school, at the sailing club, at bicycle rides.
    Just say you got other commitments.
    Why would a 4.0 want to waste his free time playing with 2.5's?
     
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  4. JLyon

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    that is a tough situation for sure. Maybe hit with them on occasion but not a regular. I am sure they enjoy it obviously, so just have fun.
     
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  5. Cindysphinx

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    Anything you can do at work to make other people adore you is worth your time.

    Show up, be a lot of fun, work on your placement. But keep your eyes on World Domination, 'cause that's the point.
     
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  6. sureshs

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    Bad idea. It may work in Wall Street, but in other places it can create resentment and rumors about those who play not putting in enough time at the office. Also rumors of socializing and excluding others, eventually seeping into office politics. I usually have never liked those I work with, so it is not a problem for me at all :)
     
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  7. buruan

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    Happened the other way around for me.
    Also Wall Street.

    I asked to try out for the Corporate Team, and was asked for DI or DII as well as Open Tournament transcripts.

    Ain't no place on that team for a lowly 3.5.

    Per your dilemma, tell them its no fun for you to play down that much, honesty is always the way to go. If you like the guys propose Scotch instead of tennis.

    Kumo San next the to the Federal Reserve has a good selection.
     
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  8. tennismonkey

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    tell them that you practice with a team (or teams) and you can't play all the time.

    when the u.s. open comes to town -- invite them one evening after work and catch the action together.
     
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  9. tennis_ocd

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    depends on the definition of "regularly."
     
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  10. mikeler

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    Play left handed and get a promotion.
     
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  11. gmatheis

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    bring beer , have fun!
     
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  12. Orange

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    As a former 2.5 and a recent 3.0 captain of a (non-USTA) team with some barely 2.5 players, I see this from the point of view of the other players: of course they want to play with you, because people at their level cannot sustain a rally for any length of time.

    Could you help them find a team or a clinic while still hitting with them occasionally?
     
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  13. Mikael

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    I've used the "my back is hurt, can't play tennis, life is horrible" scenario with success in the past. It's your job to make it convincing of course...
     
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  14. mikeler

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    Yes, learn how to limp properly.
     
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  15. mhj202

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    Could be risky if any of the other folks figure out how to use TennisLink and notice that you've played tons of USTA League matches and/or tournaments.

    That's actually one of the reasons that the USGA GHIN system (golf handicap) no longer shows all of the specific information when you look up a golf handicap. In the past, it showed the exact exact day you played and the name of the course, etc. Now I think it simply lists the month and slope/rating. It still shows if you're playing alot but at least they can't tell if you played on a day when you called in sick.
     
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  16. Dags

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    If it took a year to play the first time, I wouldn't worry about it unless someone actually takes the initiative and starts booking courts.
     
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  17. blakesq

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    Easy, simply say you have other tennis commitments, and due to lingering tennis injuries, you don't want to overdo it by playing too much (e.g. with the 2.5 and 0.0 players).

    And whoever said "tell them you are better than them and don't want to play with them", is nuts. That is careers suicide!
     
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  18. TenS_Ace

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    Yuup what Cindy says :).. BUT seriously WALL STREET?? I'd love to write what I think about "that" society...but I won't so I don't get sent to banned camp!!:twisted: bunch of....nevermind:evil:
     
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  19. Overdrive

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    What are the Wall St. guys playing with?

    Just curious.
     
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  20. rh310

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    Hah. An old 6.1 Classic, some Babolat frame from a couple of years back, and a Dunlop 300 or so. I'd say the last string job was at least a year ago.

    (My frame is a prestige pro.)
     
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  21. rh310

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    Some great advice here -- even when it's contradictory.

    Definitely stuff to think about.
     
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  22. Overdrive

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    Okay, if your co-workers are more interested in playing, you could just enter in some group lessons. :)

    Don't forget to tell them that playing tennis isn't something that you don't want to invest on with the addition of your family,job,etc.
     
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  23. 5thstreet

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    I read this thread and can't help but see myself as one of the 2.5s. I was in this opposite situation.

    My department hired a 4.5. I was a 3.0, just getting back into tennis after a long (18 year) break. We hit together. I had fun, and he gave me a few tips. We talked a lot about tennis at the office, but rarely hit together. But he introduced me to USTA, and helped find me people to play with. He also helped me find drills. Now I play tennis as often as I can.

    He played it perfectly. He engaged my thirst for tennis without wasting his time playing with somebody way below his level. After he left the company we still talk, and he even gave me a few free lessons. I think his motivation was to try to grow the tennis community. It worked.
     
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  24. Sumo

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    This is probably the most accurate thing said so far.

    Also, if the MD wants to play, you play.
     
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  25. Orange

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    5thstreet said beautifully what I meant in my previous post. The 4.5 player earned his respect.

    On the other hand, lying--or even shading the truth-- will just come back to bite you. As my son said when he was a preschooler: "Lying is very bad. We are so against lying."
     
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  26. sovertennis

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    It's contradictory because there's no easy, much less ideal, answer. Try to handle it graciously and it will likely turn out ok.
     
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  27. anubis

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    I play with co-workers often. I love the opportunity to play fun tennis. I look at it as an opportunity to be an "ambassador" for the tennis community at large, by showing them that it can be a fun way to exercise and meet new people. As long as their "first time" is enjoyable, that makes it all the more likely that they may stick with it and perhaps even join a league.

    I got one of my co-workers to join one of our local ladders, so a little bit of work goes a long way.
     
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  28. Bdarb

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    This is why I nearly never associate with co workers outside of work. I don't add them on Facebook and I certainly wouldn't ask them to play tennis, because then you're the pompous *** hole who's "too good" for playing with Johnny 2.5 when frankly you are, they just don't want to hear it. Ask them to grab drinks or maybe play some squash or something on more equal footing. Honestly if you said "I'm not super into tennis I prefer just to play in my league matches" I don't think they'd take it so badly.

    Kinda crappy situation ha.
     
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  29. dizzlmcwizzl

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    This is what I would do.

    Be pleasant ... feel free to talk about tennis with them when it comes up. Be positive and encouraging.

    But do not schedule it, do not initiate a play date.... when one of them do initiate a tennis outing make a decision about whether you want to play and be honest. "Not this time boys, I have other plans ... "

    If you bag out a couple of times, you will never be asked to play again and the problem is solved. If they set something up and you value it as a networking op, have no other plans and might enjoy it then by all means go for it.
     
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    & how often do you need to let him win? :-?
     
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  32. Nostradamus

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    is this a good way to pickup women from work ? but some places have rules against dating women from work place though. it is company policy in some places.
     
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  33. Alchemy-Z

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    If this was three attractive female co workers this thread would not exist.

    You would probably be all for coaching and teaching them to get better.

    The thing I have come across when playing with very new players that works best is playing Mini-Games almost drills. where my Goal is very difficult and theirs is far more easy.

    Example. when my wife and I play we make a 2ft x 2ft square with neon green painter tape at the baseline corners (singles)
    this is the only spot I can hit too or its "out" her point.

    she gets the full court + doubles alleys.


    I can serve as hard as I want but only get 1 serve.

    this usually works out to a good match and improves my game without taking away from hitting hard and pushing it just so the other person can play. not to mention my side to side pattern is killer now
     
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  34. Sakkijarvi

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    No, no, no, no ... and no. My thing at work was golf, at least there you have a handicap, can give strokes. Rule of thumb was ALWAYS let the clients win and let the bosses ... win. But golf and tennis are far different animals.

    Nope, you are in a pickle because you were enough of a sucker to put yourself in this predicament. Sure, there is an argument to be made for dedicating the time to sucking up to the weak players if they hold sway over your career. Welcome to your new serfdom. There is no way you can win by being honest (sure: Hey boss, you unathletic wuss, you are beneath my pay grade to waste time with ...'). You will pay.

    Claiming 'other commitments' is also a bust. You will pay.

    There is only one way out. You have to be injured. Something that flares up, an 'itis' or 'opathy', I am not saying you have to collapse on the court howling. You may need to though. Get a doctor's note from your G.P. ... I assume being a smart banker and all you know enough to have a great working relationship with a G.P., a CPA, a lawyer and an accountant ... even if currently on your third wife. So access that great relationship (the G.P. one) and get a doctor's note for something like patella tendonitis ... back spasms .. easy enough to do (my back hurts ... my knee hurts...)

    With your new non life-threatening nor Obamacare premium increasing diagnosis in hand .. you can limit your 'ability' to take part in the office olympics or at least reduce your participation greatly ... maybe even craft a career-assisting hero story to buttress the sympathy ... 'yeah, broke up a mugging years ago and twisted my knee ... now it's coming back to bother me....'

    No matter what you do don't bring out the Type A in the 2.0 tennis guys ... don't diss them, they will lay in bed at night and dream of ways to f*&k you over.

    Good luck.
     
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  35. rh310

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    I love your sense of humor. Just for clarification, though:

    Not a banker. Technology.
     
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  36. MAXXply

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    A recurring dream of mine is that, after quietly entering the tennis event of the country's pre-eminent Corporate Games competition, I carry our rag-tag team of equivalent 3.0'ers into Corporate Tennis Glory. My internal profile grows and I am given a promotion. I become the go-to guy of the office for all things tennis. Mid-week lunchtimes are spent on the work campus tennis court giving clinics to the hot babes on Reception. Co-workers hoot and whistle at every winner from the bleachers while they eat their lunch. Then I wake up and I realise it was all a dream.
     
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    Feddy keeping the dream alive
     
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  38. NLBwell

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    in 5 years will it have helped you more to play once in a while with the office folks and be thought a really nice guy, or a few additional hits with your regular hitting partners?
     
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  39. magnut

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    Beat them to a pulp and scream..."Your in my office now and I am the boss of this court!"
     
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  40. magnut

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    People still date? From what I have seen they just have sex and get on the internet.
     
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  41. TennisDawg

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    Anytime you play tennis with colleagues it's very seldom about the tennis, it's how you interact and your demeanor. If you're a 4.0 or higher just give it a good show and be a good sport about it. It will probably pay-off at work and keep peace in the family. The tennis will be boring. I wouldn't do it too often though.
     
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  42. LuckyR

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    Funny, if this was the Golf Warehouse, this wouldn't even be a thread...
     
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