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  1. PhrygianDominant

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    Just to be clear, my strokes look amazing. They just mysteriously aren't.
     
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    I think it will really help. Take a look at this video (a little long, but informative).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0uCQBiH2Ko

    On your takeback, the buttcap of the racquet it actually pointed at the side fence, while atp players butt caps point toward the net. This indicates that you have a much bigger takeback than players with elite forehands.

    Remember, after the unit turn from ready position, you're pretty much in position to hit. Any extra arm motion/take back is just extra movement.
     
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  3. MikeHitsHard93

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    I completely agree. My partner and I both told each other that we were going to focus on long rallies, but when one person hits a little too hard, it's a snowball effect. Thanks for the advice :) and I'm definitely ok with you giving me pointers on strokes! I'm not any better than you are I'm sure!
     
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  4. MikeHitsHard93

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    Maybe this is why my forehand is spotty! My take back may be a little too complex and take too much time to get around...I'll take a look at that video tonight when I get home! Thanks!

    I basically try to emulate djokovic on my Groundstrokes.
     
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    Hey YW!

    Curious how long you have been playing serious tennis Mike?

    Regarding this thread you have received some great thoughtful feedback I agree with most of it.

    Regarding balance how about a tip? Buy a 10" 2x4 piece of lumber and walk it all winter, slowly. A lot more difficult than you might think and a great super cheap way to enhance balance. I did this extensively while I was teaching skiing to stay sharp in the summer.

    Re some of the thoughts in this thread use your internet skills, if you are a visual learner you can find it all on youtube....when I was coaching my kids ( who both became strong D III players) I used a lot of free video to demonstrate my points when we couldn't hit. I recall a video somewhere focusing on Federer's footwork in super slow motion....it was poetry in motion! Search and ye will find, throw out the junk or what doesn't work for you and keep the good. We live in a great era, all the coaching most will ever need (especially for visual learners) is out there for free. Hunt down what you need!

    Re racquet quest seriously, stop. My standard recommendation stands as posted in the recent prostock thread.... 2 MP Radical 18x20 add 6" strips of lead tape at 3/9, add leather grip (I prefer Babolat) string with MSV focus hex 18 at 40# and rock your world....you'll be out about $225 if you go with MG Rads from TW - sell all the other sticks and focus on hitting as many balls as often as you can......with all your demo frames you should be in the money at the end and ready to spend more money at TW on shoes, ball machines etc. etc. :twisted:

    Have fun out there!
     
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  6. MikeHitsHard93

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    I can tell that this is some valuable information and I will gladly take your recommendation. I have been playing since 2008. Played varsity 1st doubles my senior year (was never consistent enough for singles and didn't develop a backhand until just recently). I was team captain my senior year as well.

    I have never ever moved well, and I haven't been in organized tennis since graduating in 2011. So, it's been a while but in the meantime I have taught myself a pretty decent backhand IMO.

    Interesting balance board idea! I used to be in band, so I've kinda had to have decent balance. But it's different when your running after a ball or getting into position.

    I definitely will find some video, and watch the video someone posted earlier today! I'm a visual learner because I have a photographic memory.

    RE the radical....I bought two a couple months ago actually. Strung with full cyclone 17 @50lbs. Hated them and sold them. However, my friend had me restrung one with a poly/multi hybrid and it felt much better. So idk if I would want full poly again. Btw, why the leather and lead? To make it like a prestige? So I'm skeptical about the radical whether I should be or not. Thoughts? Greatly appreciated :)
     
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    Mike....focus on footwork and not racquets. You hit the ball fine when you don't have to move for it. But when you have to move it falls apart. Skip rope, get a agility ladder, take some dance lessons...your feet are your biggest obstacle to improving...by far.
     
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  8. MikeHitsHard93

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    Lol thank you Jack. I think that's agreed with everyone then :) I never realized that I moved so horribly until now. Movement was never really part of my training in high school, so that's probably why it sucks so bad. I'm glad no one thinks my form is too bad though! Btw, has my representation of myself been accurate over the last couple years on TTW, or no? Lol. Just curious. :)
     
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    not that the MG Rads are the best sticks for everyone, but you tried 2 setups. stock and then leaded up to some ridiculous 15+ oz weight with a 360+ SW. :shock: you got great mod recommendations for the MG Rad and never even tried them before throwing in the towel and giving up on the frames. :roll:
     
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  10. MikeHitsHard93

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    How do you know that's all I tried? You don't. Leave your negative comments to yourself.
     
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    Mike if you like the speed port black just get another matched up to yours and bag it! TW has excellent matching service ( I have used it ) and you can get a couple of frames that play the same and focus on hitting balls - thousand of balls !

    I have no experience with prince since I bagged 4 precision graphite 640's about 15 yrs ago and those were most excellent. I know the mp radical set up is killer for most good players does it all.

    If you like the speed port get a couple matched, bag em and sell all the other sticks. Don't post again in the equipment forums until you get your game where you want it to be! :)
     
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  12. MikeHitsHard93

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    Alright I'm not sure how to match it though :/ would they have the specs of the one they sold me or something?
     
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    TW university has a lot of info on how to match frames and there are a lot of experts on the forums too. I bought 2 frames from TW and asked them to match them. I received 2 sticks that I cannot tell apart ( I am super fussy ) and they were sequential serial numbers from the same batch! Outstanding. I then added babolat leather and lead at 3/9 myself.

    Call TW for help if needed, the techs are excellent.
     
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    Ok thanks so much. As far as string and tension, I like full poly in this but the tour bites stiffness sometimes gets to me (not all the time though). Any suggestions?
     
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    Mike I only make suggestions on gear I have actually hit. The ult MSV focus setup in the mp rads is killer but have no clue how that would translate to the black. I have 20 hours on it now the spin and pace is spot on and I remain pain free.
     
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    Ok I guess I will do a little research on speed port black setups. Thanks!
     
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    Oh and no one gave me a rating...just curious about what everbody thinks about that.
     
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    Put a vid of your serve as well!

    I personally find that if someone start hitting harder and harder during a friendly rally then I just concentrate on hitting it back to him REGARDLESS of what pace I put back. Sometimes it's very spinny and slower, other times flatter. I work on this because sometimes the game plan is to play defense or wear out the opponent so no matter what they throw at you, you have to send it back in a specific location instead of trying for a low percentage winner (especially at 3.0-3.5 level). I mean you can see from your own video, it only takes 1 or 2 hard shots to cause the opponent to dump the ball out of play. You don't have to be a pusher, but you should be able to control your shots.

    Otherwise I would think you were right at 3.5, maybe low 3.5 (comparing to the local 3.5 people in my area) I didn't see a rally lasting more than 4 hits. Hard to tell unless you play points.
     
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  19. MikeHitsHard93

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    ^the amount of balls that stay in play really depends on who I'm playing. My other friend and I sometimes have about 10-12 shot rallies and it happens frequently because he's a counter puncher that moves really fast and gets everything back. So, it's like I'm just pounding Groundstrokes at a brick wall. He's the best partner I have.

    I'll post my serve here later tonight...
     
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  20. JackB1

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    You can't rate someone without seeing their serve or seeing them play out points in a match situation. You could be anywhere between 3.0-4.0 depending on certain variables.
    FWIW, I would think strong 3.5's would beat you fairly easily due to your poor movement.
     
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  21. MikeHitsHard93

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    Yeah, I know you can't fully judge someone based on a video like mine. I was looking for a general comment regarding how I can hit the ball. For all you know, I could be super lazy in that video and not care about moving well because its nt a match situation. What if I told you that I've competed well against guys on the 4.0 club team at MSU? Would you be surprised?

    My physical state has a lot to do with how I hit one day compare to the next. But I think that's a reasonable statement for most tennis players.

    In all honesty, your prediction is probably right. However, how long have you been playing tennis? Ever been in a tourney? I have a lot of match experience. But it's mostly in doubles. I wasn't 1st doubles because the coach felt bad...
     
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    I agree about needing more to rate someone but I think he would handle most any 3.5 if he has a halfway decent serve and doesn't just fall apart in a match. I don't think his movement is all that bad, considering he was hitting with someone who was not giving him much to hit. It's not like you have to be able to rally with Rafa to be a 4.0 either.
     
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    best way is to play a bunch 3.5's and 4.0's and see who you can beat.
     
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    I don't want to sound harsh, but if I'm putting a rallying video up I will hit to totally minimize my own mistakes regardless of what my partner hits to me. I mean I wouldn't be going for low percentage power shots all the time, especially if rallies aren't lasting more than 4 hits.

    Maybe the OP recorded it with the wrong goal in mind and was tying to show attempts at "best shots" instead of controlled rally. That is definitely plausible given than people try to look their best on film. :)
     
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    This guys spot on. The intention was for people to look at my stroke, and I didn't even think about if My footwork was looking good or not lol. When people said how horrendous my footwork is, it wasn't a total shocker but it still was a little surprising to me. My mindset in rallying vs a match is quite different.
     
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    Appreciate the kind words retro. Typically, my serve does let me down but I try to boost my confidence on returning turn that into a winning strategy for me instead of on my serve. That's until my serve improves...my mental game usually is pretty decent.
     
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    Then I would start spending a lot of time on that serve. Video it and get some advice here. You at least need a reliable serve at 4.0. You don't have to serve bombs, but you don't want to be giving points away. You can win at 4.5 without a heavy serve but you need to be able to place it and not have guys tee off on it.
     
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    Wait...are you trying to say that you think you can beat me jack? Lol
     
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    3.5 IMO. Decent looking enough. Not too consistent. But decent form. No obvious red flags.
     
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    Thanks arche3!
     
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    Plus your young and in good shape. Practice and you'll improve very fast beyond your current skill level.
     
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    I'm just trying to have fun and enjoy the things I have :) I could stand to replace some fat with muscle, but I really appreciate the compliment.
     
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    Come to ATL and find out :)
     
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    I think I'm computer rated as a 3.5. I got you next.
     
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    Well hopefully it's a bit cooler down there than up here in Lansing...93 today :shock: followed by mid sixties this weekend...

    Would love to play you if work/school would permit :)
     
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  36. MikeHitsHard93

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    Hahaha light you're probably one of my favorite posters on here! Where do you live?
     
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    Hey Mike! I'm new to the boards, but I've been reading through some of your post. I originally got on here to pick out a Stringer, but once that was done I did some perusing.

    First off, i wanna say I was expecting mike hits hard, to hit a little harder. haha (kidding) i'd say you got good strokes. Your swings are more in the 4.0 range when hit correctly, but more in the 3.0 range when you miss the sweet spot, or have lazy footwork.

    My guess is that playing 3.5 doubles you would have a decent amount of success, probably upper third or so. Your better shots would probably lead to some easy points, and your consistency/footwork issues wouldn't be as apparent here.

    In 3.5 Singles, I think you would probably be in the lower half but that's hard to say exactly with the video at hand. I think a lot of 3.5 players would keep the ball in play long enough for you to make a mistake, more so as the match wore on.

    I would recommend in addition to the footwork drills, that you work on aiming some more. I couldn't help but notice that all of your better shots were going cross court. They were solid shots, but against stiffer competition, you need to be able to place into both corners, forehand/backhand. So start of taking a nice control swing, and work on your down the line, and inside out shots.

    If you show me some more tape, I could give you some more pointers too! :)
     
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    ^^^^^^^

    That's a perfect evaluation. But we still need to see a serve. I play lots of guys who look great in warm ups, but then they have no serve or double fault a lot.
     
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    Lots of solid irony in this thread.

    Mike, keep grinding.
     
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    Mike, when are you going to post some serves?
     
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  41. MikeHitsHard93

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    Hey, I guess I didn't keep up with this thread. I've gotten better all-around and in fact I beat my friend that usually beats me today. We haven't played in a while, but I beat him 6-0, 6-2. Crushed him. So I'd like to post another video some time soon. Also on serve too.
     
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    MIke, I apologize but I haven't had a change to read through this whole thread, so if you answered already, please excuse my laziness.

    Couple of questions:

    1. Do you play USTA?
    2. Do you have a rating?
    3. How many matches have you played against computer rated 3.5s?
    4. What is your win/loss ratio for last year?


    We can all give you advice as to what your possible rating is until we're blue in the face. But until you get out there and play a couple of seasons in USTA, it's all sort of moot. Nothing separates "the men from the boys" like a competitive match, knowing that your whole team is watching from the sidelines, hoping that you'll win.

    Playing friends and drilling is fun and good for your tennis development, but you'd have a much better perspective as to where you "fit" in the world of recreational tennis if you had a good 50 or 60 matches under your belt.
     
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    Looks like I completely missed your post anubis. I am now a computer rated 4.0 in singles and doubles. Maybe this spring I can post my serve, since I never did before and now I think all of my technique has changed. Hopefully my movement is better too lol. I still need to buy a jump rope.
     
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