Please critique this 7-years old

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  1. carnaval09

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    Good day here!
    Thanks in advance for watching and leaving a feedback.
    I would love to hear any advice.

    PS. I thank everyone here who gave us the feedback and advice on what to concentrate on.
    For the last couple of days we concentrated on changing the FH back swing to shorten it up and keep it on the right part of the body, contact point and the footwork. I want to ask you guys to take another look to evaluate our homework to see if we are going in the right direction. As my son is in the process of changing the back swing. He is still a little stiff which I hope will change once he gets comfortable with new movement.
    Here is the second video of him rallying with the orange balls. Thanks for watching and leaving the feedback.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-s25G8_zgo&feature=channel&list=UL
     
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  2. Russeljones

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    Hi Carnaval. Welcome to TW, I wish you and your son all the best. There will be some helpful and some not so helpful people here but I am sure you can recognize whatever is useful to you.
     
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  3. Russeljones

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    I like how he keeps his eyes on the ball and makes those small steps. Add to that the fact he is playing with a Wilson and things are looking good for him :)
     
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    Thanks for the warm welcome! I think I should be able to do so. I'm just trying to help my son to enjoy this game as he is getting a kick out of it especially as he sees progress in his game.
     
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    Thanks for the comment.
    I'm not a big message board person and for some reason didn't that thread but now I've moved it since it makes more sense.
    Thanks once again.
     
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  7. Evan77

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    welcome to the board Carnaval09. cute kid, looks a little bit like a young Djokovic :). It's hard to give you any advice ... he seems to be hitting the ball cleanly, plus I can see his passion when he mishit that FH.

    he will develop if he keeps training ... the only thing I could suggest is to get him to join some swimming classes. It would help develop his body and his stamina. His technique looks pretty good for a young boy, but it's hard to judge from the video you posted. Good luck.
     
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    Thanks, funny to say but Djokovic is his idol. My daughter took this video but I really didn't know what angel to take it from so it's my fault, plus for some reason my it compressed it from HD to 360 resolution. As far as swimming goes he took some classes, nothing serious though just to start swimming which he does quite often.
     
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  9. carnaval09

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    Thanks,
    that's something that we are trying to emphasize.
     
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    When he is older, tell him to quit "AHH" on every ball.

    Just kidding.

    He's got nice strokes.
     
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    Anything that can beat Nadal is useful.

    Hi, welcome to the forum. The sentence above is what most people at TW will say. :)
     
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  12. carnaval09

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    Sometimes when we hit together I do it myself on purpose and I could see right away that he is challenged which make him concentrate even more.:)
    So it's just a trick for me.
     
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  13. MethodTennis

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    He's pretty decent! Is the net lowered there I take it if as you say he is playing mini tennis However it does not look like it has been? If not I would do so or try using a mini red net? Using appropraite equpiment will aid his developement. Obviously you are using a red ball as you can see it slow up off the court which is perfect for his size and ability. What we all hate seeing is our standard tennis dad uploading a video of their 7 year old girl hitting over a 3ft net with a solid yellow ball, that kinda stuff leads to bad technique.

    At this stage in terms of how much he should be playing competition wise is debateable, some say only doubles, some say as much competiton as you can find him which I personally disagree with. Just play as many tournamnets as he enjoys and you can afford both singles and doubles as at 7 the skills he'll learn in doubles will not only aid his tennis but his social skills, his team work and many other transferable skills which he will need later in life.

    Interms of how much he should play, again as much as he enjoys at this stage, although I would encourage you to try get him down and play outside of the times he has coaching squads or individual lessons. This can either be with you or with his friends of a similar standard to him, again if you're playing with him, always play red untill he's moving into orange. Of the players I coach in sqauds its the ones who go away and hit even just once a week, implementing what I've told them in our class that improve, its obvious the following week whos played and who hasnt. Make sure your kid is always the one that has.

    This is all very general as there is little I can tell you from a 2min 30second video however his footwork often lacks intensity on the forehand side, the camera angles makes it hard to see anything on the backhand. And again unless you're wanting to practice your hieght over the net lower it, mini red and orange nets should be 80 cm in the middle, The UKs lta site has all you need to know about this

    http://www.lta.org.uk/LTA-Mini-Tennis/Red/Mini-Tennis-Red/

    [​IMG] and thats what a mini red net should look like although if you're club doesnt have one of these available use the full net lowered to 80cm.

    Any more questions please feel free to ask.
     
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    Thanks for the advice. As a parent I'm curious to know how much a child can play a week.??? Tennis is a sport of a lot of repetitions which in my view can affect a young body development. We practice on the hard courts which isn't friendly to anyone so I'm not sure how many hours a week is max. When I think about load on the knees, hips, shoulders and such I really don't know what to say. In case of my son, he is asking me to practice every day and he can do an intense session for hours and hours. So I'm trying to get him doing other activities, not sure if it's right or wrong but I want him to stay injury free and enjoy this game for years to come regardless of how far he could take it in the future. I wish I had a chance to play tennis when I was a kid so I'd know about it more, but when I grew up there were no tennis courts in my town and only few in the whole country so we played soccer. (No wonder Max Mirnyi and Azarenka moved out when they got a chance)
    As far as balls and the net then in this particular case we were using orange balls and regular net. I use red balls for warm ups and valleys as it gives him enough time to adjust and get in the position.
     
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  15. MethodTennis

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    Orange tennis will probably be okay for your kid to be honest, you know that the baseline on an orange court is half way between the normal baseline and service line though? If he was playing with the full orange court then he's obviously miles out of position but I'm going to guess you were intentionally just using the service boxes?

    How much per week a lot of people say an hour for ever year so 7 hours a week for a 7 year old, but at that age the chance of any injury is pretty minimal. Any pains take a day or two off but I'm not a doctor nor a physio so I can't really help much there.

    If he wants to play 7 days a week then thats great but you probably want a rest day so cut it to 6. With our red classes the kids struggle to stay focused for long periods so the classes are 45mins each, which is perfect for the kids who have been dropped by their mums while they get their work out. However once the kids progress and the join our high preformance group sessions last 90mins, which is a lot for a 7 year old, if you were playing that daily he would be playing 9 hours a week, which would probably be fine.

    I dont train on hard courts myself when I'm training myself so I only experiance hard courts when I'm preparing for a tournament owhich is on the surface or at tournaments themself. I play on a carpet surface generally which plays very quick so the rallies are short as the ball shoots through like lightning (this surface is aweful for teaching kids by the way!) so there is minimal impact anyway as the surface has a tiny bit of give and the rallies dont go beyond 10 much and most end after the serve. Serves as slow as 95-100mph near a line arent gonna come back :p

    Again any more help needed then just ask, Im sorry if my answers are a bit vauge, giving player specific advice on a couple numbers and 150 seconds of video is pretty tough and a lot of it could turn out to be bad advice.
     
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    Looking good, will win the USO.
     
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  17. RogerRacket111

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    He has great strokes for his age he will make the necessary changes as he grows older. Just make sure it remains fun for him. And also transition out of hitting kids balls to grown ups.
     
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  18. carnaval09

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    Once again, thanks for your time. Yes, we stayed close to the service lines on purpose, normally he is in between two lines.
     
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  19. MethodTennis

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    Works quiet nicely for videos like this, never thought about that, they have to slow down their stroke and work ahrder to get the ball up and down in a smaller area, probably makes it a lot easier to see flaws as its not so fast paced.
     
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    Hope he enjoys it as much as I did when I first started tennis at this age!

    carnaval: if he sticks with tennis like me , you'd better enjoy the next 3-4 years! My family used to go on lots of vacations (we had gold elite status for our airline) but now its literally 2-3 vacations a year. Almost no time for vacation, because if you take time off your timing gets bad.

    It going to very fun when he beats you, you will be very very proud I remember that day when I beat my dad, at the time it was a big deal to me. Now he doesn't stand a chance against me LOL
     
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    :) Vacations, hah, we went to Florida for a week a few weeks back, he hated it so much as he couldn't practice, he couldn't wait to get back home to practice normally as he had to hit on the racquet ball courts while in Florida.
    As far as beating me, I can see that day coming.
    :)
     
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  22. MethodTennis

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    God forbid, only 3 vacations a year! I think I've had 3 vacations to somewhere away fro home 4 times in 10 years, 2010 2008 2002? Nice for some though, still had weeks off and stuff just not away anywhere. I imagin you will appreciate those holidays you had with your family a lot when you get to working age. Timing comes back pretty fast though even if you take a couple weeks off.

    I hit with a friend who stopped competing 5 years ago and last played over 12 months ago and here timing was almost back after 2 hours. Within a month she could probably be hitting the ball as well as 5 or 6 years ago if she played enough.

    The day when you first beat your parent or whatever is a great one. My favourite moment was at 14 or 15 when I beat the guy that had coach me from 7 to 13 6-2 6-3, played out of my skin and took him out of our local club championship. Many good memories but that was one of my proudest although it wasnt really that great an achievement but at the time because of the level I was at it was monumental for me . Cherish the good meories you get from sport, they help to balance out the painful loses,
     
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  23. rajah84

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    He has natural ability and instinct which is uncommon. If I was you -which I'm not - I would groom this kid to be a pro. I'm a pushy sort. :) He has what it takes as far as ability. Now don't forget to feed him lots so he gets big and and strong. Little guys don't cut in this sport unless they move like Hewitt. Good luck.
     
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    One more thing. Get him away from mini tennis ASAP!!!!! I would use that approach just long enough - maybe six months - and then advance him to tennis. So he's ready for real tennis now then.

    In the beginning less is more should be the approach. Short swings is important in reducing the tendency to create hitches in his strokes. As he gets older, stronger and understands what he's doing he can then experiment with lengthening his strokes, but my advice is to stay away from anything long and loopy for awhile. Keep it simple.

    Personal opinion time. Don't use extreme grips. Semi-western is fine. And don't give into the modern/progressive approach to parenting which preaches quitting and laziness over hard work and discipline. ;) Again good luck.
     
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    We'll see how far he wants to take it, at this point that his goal and not mine.
    He eats like a big guy that's for sure, still skiny though.:)
     
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    Thanks for advice. He is using SW grip. I'm pusshy myself as that's the way I grew up. Any advice on how to shorten his swing? Any drill?
     
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    One more question here.
    Your are saying quote "his footwork often lacks intensity on the forehand side" is there anything we can do to improve/fix it. Thanks again for you torough review. I appreciate it very much.
     
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    carnaval09, send me an email. I live about 60 miles from you. I know some good coaches in the area. My son just turned 10. He loves playing tennis as well. Keep it fun. If he wants to play some tournaments then put him in the rising start tournaments in SC. My son played a lot of those when he was 7. They are one day round robins for players who have 200 points or less. It is a great experience for someone new to tennis. I think your son has a good start. His back swing on the forehand is a little big. Better to keep it as simple as possible. He needs to take the racket back head high then drop and bring it around. Here is a video of my son when he was 9.5 years old 6 months ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eyfb9yHhqMA We have had to work to get this swing smaller too.
     
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    Thanks for the reply. Maybe because I'm new here and thus don't have enough privileges but I don't see an option to send you a private message. Please if you see that on your part send me a message and I'll reply or just let me know if I missing something on my part. I learnt today that I can't edit my post till I get 50 messages
     
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    click on my name, view public profile, and then send an email.
     
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    I did, but once I'm there I don't see that option anywhere unless I'm totally blind. I can find all of your posts and I see some other empty fields but no option to send an email.
     
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    If you can, Please send me a message and I'll reply right away.
     
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    I tried but you do not have your account set up to receive emails. Mine is set up for that. There is no personal messages on this board. If that does not work you can send me a message through my youtube account.
     
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  34. carnaval09

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    How do I find you on youtube?
     
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  35. gplracer

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    It is the video above that has my son on it. That is my account.
     
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  36. carnaval09

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    Oh thanks, you should have it now.
     
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    Hi, I think the photo angel is very good for the forehand.
    I am impressed about his form generally.
    However, his backswing is a bit too early and too long. I think that has to do with too short (25 inch?),ligth racket and/ or too slow balls.

    One of the most common, and worst coaching advice is to take the racket back asap. Better, Track the ball, pivot whilestill holding the racket with both hands, let the ball bounce first (at this tempo), and then hit.

    I also think you soon should transfer to full length racket and regulation balls. But there are diffrensk schools here.
     
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  38. carnaval09

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    Thanks for the feedback.
     
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  39. MethodTennis

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    The best female junior I've ever seen I know to have played mini tennis from 5 to 10. Moving kids of any ability onto the full court and yellow ball hinders improvement every single time, I've seen multiple techniqual disasters who although top players in europe have moved on to large rackets and heavy balls too fast and have began to slap at every ball just to get it deep. There is still another 3 years of mini tennis for this kid to play through, although I admit for more developed boys 9 may be appropriate to make the change to the yellow ball
     
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  40. MethodTennis

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    Look at the forehands around 16 and 25 seconds, and the backhand at 1.26 theyre the first two examples, he takes literally one step between each shot and the ball gets way to close to his body. There are probably more examples through-out the video but I'm sure you can identify it yourself. Its just putting him off balance on many of his shots.

    It may just be a case of making him aware of the rror as other times his footwork is good, possibly a concentration issue or even a fitness issue if you've already played for a long period of time before you started to record this. If its a case of actually improving the footwork itself there are a couple drills which require a lot of intense footwork, the two drills I use work well with older high performance kids but I havent tried it with anyone younger than maybe 11?

    So the first drill Is just hitting inside out forehands lots in quick succession nothing over complex.

    The player starts at the hash on the baseline and the coach stands around 4 feet inisde the baseline facing the player and hand feeds the ball high and close to the baseline around 4 or 5 feet to the left of the player. The player has to run around the ball hit an inside out forhand cross court, recover to the hash in the baseline again then hit another. P-Player F-Feed

    -------------¬--P-------F-----

    I usually put down a dot on the baseline for the player which they must touch. This is a 30 or 40 ball drill, which is non stop as soon as they get their foot on the dot you send them another feed. The feed should be high enough that they are constantly moving, it can also push them back in the court slightly, although the first time round you might want to feed slightly shorter so the movement is more lateral which should make it easier. If the player isn't moving somethings not working right.

    This is more of a cardio drill than one to actually improve on the insideout forehand however it is a drill which is very very footwork intense. For some players when they don't show the intensity I'm looking for I'll stop the drill and tell them every time they dont touch the dot they get a press up every time they miss the shot they get one and every time they cant get round it in time providing I've not made a mistake feeding they get one. Again this is a very very hard drill if the player works properly.

    You may wish to tone down the intensity a little bit due to the age of the child put you still want them to work as hard as they can on every single ball, make sure when youre feeding youre encouraging them, it will help them a lot.


    The other drill is the spanish X which I can't really explain any better than the high performance series video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Ubr-scJ8I I'd have the player do 8 or 10 reps of the 4 shots, and 3 baskets of it for a performance 12+ year old, again ajust to your player.
     
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    Agreed, my son in the video above was 9 and he still had a 26 inch racket even though he was 5ft tall. He was hitting green balls.
     
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    Have him start hitting green dot balls ASAP. My daughter is 7 and hits primarily with green dot and some with regulation as it will build wrist strength and quicker reflexes. Have him open his stance a bit on forehand and finish across hias upper arm as well. Also, see if you can get him to step in when hitting the forehand and shift his weight forward. Overall, for the limited amount of time he has been hitting he looks good.

    The 3 MOST IMPORTANT things to remember are:
    1. Make sure it is a FUN experience when you practice
    2. Remain even keel. Don't over praise or over scold him.
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    I agree with netninja.

    I have a 7 year old (girl) and we are hitting full court with Green Dots. Your kid looks a lot bigger and stronger than mine.

    I think the key is that when you hit with them, you use green dot because you can place it better. If they are playing with other kids, then I would use Orange.

    Move the kid back, but make sure you give him a good feed, and use green dot.

    Your kid has solid strokes and it looks like he is having fun. Good job.
     
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  44. MethodTennis

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    Thats just plain dumb.

    Youve got the kid using green balls with the parents in a full court with a full net which he can bearly see over

    Orange balls and a shorter narrower court with tirfriendsad other kids

    And then theyre going to go to a tournament and play over a mini net with spounge balls on a far smaller court?

    What is going through your mind while making such a suggestion, its ludarcis
     
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    His kid is done with Mini-Nets and sponge balls. No freaking way should he ever play with a Sponge Ball again. Red with friends might make sense, but with those strokes, he should, at the very minimum, play Orange.

    He looks like he is at least 54 inches, a net is 36 inches, 18 inches is no where close to "barely see over."

    In regards to Green, all I'm talking about is feeding and hitting balls with an Adult. If you can feed him a ball that is low and right in his wheel house, a green dot is appropriate because of the weight and speed. His back swing will reduce and he will form a stronger base because of the weight in the ball compared to the Red or Sponge.
     
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  46. MethodTennis

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    This kid isn't done with mini nets, all competition for 7 year olds is over mini nets at least here in europe, and I'm pretty sure it was recently standardised by the ITF, there is justification on playing orange at this age if he is 6 months away from the orange competition stage.

    Im pretty sure that spain is the only country not signed up to use mini tennis at all junior competitions for 10 and under, and even in spain a lot of the training revolves around mini tennis and ALL international under 10s 9s and 8s competition will be using the proper formats which have been tried and tested to be the most effective methods for developement.

    As for feeding with green balls to a kid, whats the point in sticking a ball right in his 'wheelhouse' as you call it, when most of the time the ball is not going to sit their nicely in perfect postion.

    But go preach whatever you want, because barringer is far more likely to produce a top professional adult that the LTA ITF and USTA.

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    Although not perfect for what I'm trying to explain I feel this may help you see the benefits of mini tennis and why the ITF are pushing it so hard http://en.coaching.itftennis.com/media/114028/114028.pdf
     
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  47. barringer97

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    Who cares about mini tennis tournaments for a 7 year old? He shouldn't play them. I've seen these tourneys (with my daughter who is 7 btw), and all the kids do is go back to pushing the ball.

    In regards to this:

    No sh*t.

    The point is to work on strokes. Even pro's still have their coaches soft toss balls to them underhand to work on their technique. But as I mentioned before which you must have missed, when you play against someone that doesn't put the ball in the "wheel house" (like a friend), you use the Orange or red ball.

    You act like this mini-tennis is some old age tried method. It's basically brand new. How the hell can you mock me and claim that this method is better than producing a professional when not one professional has been produced using Mini-Tennis?

    Each kid is different. Not every 7 year old needs to play in U-8 or Red or Sponge. Not every 10 year old has to play in U-10 or Green. This kid looks bigger and stronger than most, move him back.
     
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  48. MethodTennis

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    The top under 14s 16s and 18s kids in the WORLD have been brought up on mini tennis. It's hardly age old, but spounge balls and smaller courts have been getting used for well over a decade now and I imagin that some of the rising pros who are just out of juniors have too played mini tennis. Just becauase the USTA or your local club just recently adopted it doesnt mean its untested.

    If the kids are pushing then thats to do with the level of competition your daughter is playing not anything else, you can play agressive at red mini tennis however atunder 8s you're looking to built smooth consistant groundies, so when the coaches are talking about hieght over the net non stop then the kids play consistant, however I do look forward to seeing your child pounding every ball at a million miles an hour out the back and sides with no technique because the time provided by the yellow or green ball at such a young age did not give her time to hit the stroke properly. Thats what will happen with the time lost with the yellow balls, shes not going to win titles at any great level like that.

    Giving the player time on the ball allows them to hit it smoothly rather than rush it.
     
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    I think columbia is about an hour and 30 minutes from Spartanburg

    Cornelius Jordan is the director of tennis at the Country Club of Spartanburg and he works with Spencer Brown who is a nationally ranked junior (23 nationally i believe)

    Im not sure if that is too far away but maybe he would even know of a good program closer to you if you talked to him.

    His information is easy to look up online.
     
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  50. barringer97

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    How could you possibly make a quote like this when every pro today didn't play mini tennis? How are their strokes? I think players like Agassi, Sampras, Fed., etc. all turned out okay.
     
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