please rate two friends of mines

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  1. tonygao

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    first vid, I was on the far end with purple shirt, my friend was in blue shirt.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mKoqIghj_s


    second vid, my friend was playing against another friend, who was in red shirt.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agvKSTCOGc4

    please let me know what you think about their levels.

    thanks.

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    after having seen the first a few replies, I decided to add some background info.

    first vid, no editing except for DF, recording two complete games. final score: blue beat purple by 6:2
    second vid, only includes HL, actually red player made lots of DFs and UEs. final score: blue beat read by 6:1

    now, please continue the rating............
     
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  2. nhat8121

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    1st guy, weak 4.0
    2nd guy, solid 4.0
     
  3. thegreatgiroux

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    I'd pretty much agree with that...
    The guy in the blue would honestly be a really good 3.5 or a really weak 4.0.
    The guy in the Red seems solidly a 4.0.
     
  4. tennismonkey

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    1st guy in blue: low 3.5. needs better footwork and anticipation.

    2nd guy in red: solid 4.0 to possibly low 4.5. opponent in blue shirt didn't have the weapons to expose what looked like a weak backhand side. a stronger opponent might be able to pick on this side and get a lot of short balls. blue shirt had a lot of short balls that he attempted to attack but he had almost no transition game.
     
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  5. Mrnoital

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    First video,
    Purple - 4.0
    Blue - 3.0-3.5

    2nd video
    Red guy's serve looks good for a 4.0 but his shots are pretty loopy for a 4.0.
     
  6. fruitytennis1

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    Wrong.......
     
  7. rkelley

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    Just looked at the first video and focused on Mr. blue shirt. I'd say 3.5, maybe a weak 4.0. I never saw him hit a bh (which is Mr. purple shirt's fault - good on Mr. blue shirt for being able to run around every bh), so I can't comment on this usually critical stroke. His fh and serve both have some significant technical issues, but he gets them over pretty consistently and they're effective enough.
     
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    I'd say blue guy a solid 3.0 or weak 3.5
    Red shirt 3.5 to weak 4.0
     
  10. Mrnoital

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    Well since you were not very specific. What exactly was I wrong about? Wrong that they are loopy or wrong that they are loopy for a 4.0? My daughter's a 4.0 and does not hit loopy shots like what's in the video very often.
     
  11. Mrnoital

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    According to Fruity you are WRONG!
     
  12. Graf1stClass

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    1st: 3.5
    2nd: 4.0

    I'd take 'em both to 5 sets, give 'em some pain.
     
  13. Mrnoital

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    After watching again a 4.0 should be able to rally for more than 3 or 4 shots and you can't blame it on the guy in the blue because the red guy has a lot of unforced errors as well. My daughter's matches as a 4.0 have 10-12 ball rallies all the time and their shots are not as loopy.
     
  14. I rate them both as bad players. Not very good at tennis.
     
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    Congratulations! You are the first to be on my Ignore List.

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  16. GoaLaSSo

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    Loopy does not mean they are bad... A lot of really good players hit loopy strokes.

    These ratings are pretty harsh. I can't really tell how good purple is because of how short the video is.

    The blue and red guy have some solid points and both consistently hit the ball pretty deep. Other than a few silly mistakes they seemed to be pretty good. Both guys have solid movement as well. Blue's footwork could use some work, but he still is pretty fast. His serve isn't the greatest, but he makes up for it in other areas.

    It is hard to tell over camera, but I would say red and blue are at least solid 4.0 and my gut tells me closer to 4.5.

    Edit : Just read that these were the highlights... You can't really tell how good people are based on highlights. I would say both would fall in 4.0 then if they had a lot of points with errors.
     
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  17. Topspin Shot

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    Is that you in blue? And I would rate these players in the 4.0 range, probably closer to 4.5 than 3.5.
     
  18. rkelley

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    Watched the second video. Mr. Red Shirt has some decent strokes. bh slice was the weakest thing I saw. The biggest issue is that he just seems to be walking over to a number of his strokes. I realize that with all of the moon balls it takes forever and a day for the ball to get over the net, but he needs to take the set-up seriously. That should help reduce the UFEs. The other thing for Mr. Red Shirt is to use the whole court on both sides. Make Mr. Blue Shirt hit some bhs, hit short and bring Mr. Blue Shirt in and then pass him or lob him. And he can come in himself a lot more. Push Mr. Blue Shirt back on the bh side, come in, and hit the volley or the overhead. It doesn't appear that Mr. Blue Shirt would have an answer to a deep ball the bh and Mr. Red Shirt up at the net other than to lob.

    Mr. Red Shirt has the better strokes. If he can cut down the UFEs and DFs, and develop a strategy he should be able beat Mr. Blue Shirt.

    The level thing is so hard to do because while the strokes look like a solid 4.0, if he can't beat the Mr. Blue Shirt then he's not there yet.
     
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  19. Graf1stClass

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    lol, "Mr. Red Shirt"
     
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    :confused: Loopy shots = easily attacked. I've never heard anyone actually claim loopy shots are an asset.
     
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    Fruity? Can't take someone who calls themselves "fruity" seriously.
     
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    Agree with most people here. Red is solid 4.0 and Blue is weak 4.0
     
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    It's all just conjuncture but my daughter who is considered a 4.0 has many long rallies with 4.0-5.0 players. You would expect thes guys to have a few 10-12 or 15 ball rallies.
     
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    Agree. The NTRP itself is not clear and subjective. I used to play in USTA league at 3.5 level and I saw a much variety of 3.5 players. some are even stronger than the one in red.

    People should use Elo rating system in tennis more.
     
  26. Topspin Shot

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    Actually, blue is the best player of the lot; he wins both sets handily. And MMI, you still haven't replied to my previous query. What do you think of the poster mmu's game?
     
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    I think I know where you're going with this. Everybody looks high 3.5 to low 4.0 to me and the guy in light blue is either a hooker or blind.
     
  28. Topspin Shot

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    Because I thought you might know that player personally.
     
  29. fruitytennis1

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    Video is very deceptive. TW as a whole consistently underrates those in videos. "Fruity" happens to also be a better, more experienced player than you :)
     
  30. Mrnoital

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    Perhaps but shouldn't the fact that there are no rallies longer than 4 shots tell us something about their play? The 4.0 players I see on an almost daily basis rally for 10-12 or more shots consistently.
     
  31. psv255

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    pretty sure the number of balls hit depends on the match-up of playing styles. There are s&v-ers who have success at many different competitive levels, and rallies are few and far in between regardless of level.
     
  32. PeterWA

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    Well, I was humbled after hearing I was a 4.0 but accepted it.

    However,...after watching both videos before looking at the comments, I honestly thought Mr. Blue was a 3.5 and Mr. Red a weak 4.0.

    I guess either I am wrong or my rating and standard is wrong...
     
  33. nhat8121

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    this guy...

    lmao

    I saw this guy played, he's really good, he can just 1 hit winner from the baselines all day. No need to construct points. Haahaha.
     
  34. nhat8121

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    TT standard is just high, everyone here is at least 1 lvl above their real game.
     
  35. Mrnoital

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    :confused: But they are not serve and volleying in the video. They are just missing a lot.
     
  36. PeterWA

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    Sorry, correction. I realized I meant to say that I thought Mr. Blue was a weak 3.5 and Mr. Red a 3.5.

    I meant to say that either me or my rating was wrong, meaning that I was wrong or that I'm maybe not really a 4.0 because I honestly don't think Mr. Red could be a 4.0...
     
  37. Andyroo10567

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    Red played well with using a variety of shots and strategies. Blue didnt use a variety of shots and didnt have a good net game.

    Peter, i'm assuming your the Peter that I played against in doubles, I would not say your a 4.0. You're more of a lower or extremely close 4.5. You definitely have an upper 4.5 serve.
     
  38. PeterWA

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    Just out of curiosity, when would we have played? I haven't had the chance to meet anyone on here that I know from tennis :)
     
  39. Andyroo10567

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    Auburn Game Farm Park? For highschool league.
    If i remember correctly, before your Pure Storm, you had a Dunlop 300 i think..
     
  40. PeterWA

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    Yup, that would be me. Great to finally meet someone on here who I actually know :)
     
  41. Andyroo10567

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    P.S, this should wring a bell. Pretty sure you know michael.. :)
     
  42. tonygao

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    video can be deceptive.

    the truth is, Mr.Blue is 4.0 who have won many local tournament in 3.0, 3.5, even 4.0.

    Mr.Red has good strokes but lack of experience and patience, who can get easily beaten by Mr.Blue, so I will put him in strong 3.5+.

    the weakness of Mr.Blue is the netgame, but his baseline game is very solid, it would take a 4.5+ to destroy him from the baseline.
     
  43. anubis

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    3.5 play all around, from all the players on those videos.
     
  44. gameboy

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    Another pointless exercise. The rating is not for gymnastics or figure skating. It does not matter what your form looks like. Only thing that matters is whether or not you are competitive against other computer rated players. All this discussion amount to jack squat. If you want a rating go out and play.
     
  45. Andyroo10567

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    Well also a 4.5 would understand that he has a weak netgame. Bringing Mr.Blue up to the net would be a breeze with a well placed drop shot.
     
  46. JoelDali

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    4.5 groundies
    3.5 serves
    4.0 footwork
    Rising 4.5 mental toughness

    Mid-range 4.5, final answer.
     
  47. mrpeterman

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    LOL!!!


    USTA 4.5 leagues around here consists of a lot of former college players and current teaching pros. In spite of the "Rising mental toughness" of these players, they wouldn't know what hit them. It wouldn't be remotely competitively.
     
  48. Bartelby

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    I'd second this opinion and people need to look at the descriptors given of the various levels to get their criteria straight.



     
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    When I was on the mens 4.5 tour my agent would sit in the stands and listen to what others would say about me. Some would mock my mental instabilities. Others would prognosticate on my eventual rise to 4.5 GOAThood.

    My favorites were:

    1. He's as cool as ice - like Borg
    2. He's a basket case
    3. He just broke the new Sampras 88 racquet on the net post.
    4. That guy is not a 3.5
    5. He's wearing Nike - he must be solid.
    6. He's a head case
    7. He will never be a rising 5.0
    8. He has a Sampras 6 pack GOAT bag
    9. If you call out close balls he will scream and wig out and surely lose
    10. He has spider veins on his cankles - I wonder if he's anemic
     

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