POG Playlog (my stringtest quest!)

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  1. alidisperanza

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    Hey all,

    I've played with so many strings and so many frames over the years but I've never found one that pronounces the playing characteristics like the Prince Original Graphite Mid. I'm currently playing with the 90 1 stripe version. This frame is the ultimate test for string spin, durability, and tension retention thanks to the 14x18 pattern. As such I've decided to re-test many of the strings I've come across. As a standard, I'm using Gosen OG Micro 17 Natural crosses for reference (and economic reasons)

    Here goes nothing!
     
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    Dunlop Black Widow 58/61

    BW/OG 58/61

    Stringing:
    Was a good experience. Easy, no hitches. The string is a bit sharp when stringing crosses but not a big issue. I string on a 6pt crank machine so I usually can feel the stretch or elasticity of a string. Poly tends to be relatively crisp and lock out right away-- BW had a bit more stretch to it. Playing with the half set off a reel, it feels a bit softer than most polys I've dealt with.


    Groundies
    A bit of a Lux Rough feeling where balls seem to dip in just before the baseline. Very comfortable hitting flat as well. Unfortunately, this died out fairly quickly (much faster than Lux).

    Serving-- Definitely a fun string to serve with when fresh. Nice flat serves, great control over spin. Unfortunately this becomes a bit uncontrollable as tension drops. My favorite part about this string combination is undoubtedly the sound-- it's an absolute gunshot when you flatten out serves.

    Volleys-- All the normal good stuff. Easy to snap down. I had much success with more touch based shots (something I'm not good with at all).

    Tension maintenance-- There was a noticeable drop in tension from the first play to the next-- arguably I played 2 hours of hard tennis and took the frame directly off my stringing machine. After those first two hours--- NADA. Strings were loose and sloppy, moving all over the place.

    Durability-- oof. Less than 4 hours of play, 1-2:Heavy play 3: very casual play 3-pop Heavy play. Granted this is a POG so we'll see.

    ** I strung 3 frames with this combination, the second two 60/62. All three frames popped in under 3 hours in the same exact spot (picture below)


    What surprised me most about this string is how soft feeling it is. When you wind into shots, you can definitely feel the flex and response. As much as I'm prone to liking this string for it's initial play values, I hate to say it stinks in terms of tension maintenance. While the string is very lively and soft and has the potential to be a great "spin-string" in this frame, this tension loss in totally not acceptable.

    Poly Based Final verdict
    Groundstrokes: 4/5
    Serves: 4/5
    Volleys: 4/5
    Spin: 5/5 when fresh
    Power:4/5
    Comfort:4/5
    Tension: 2/5
    Durability:2/5

    29/40 overall

    For the full, unedited review view here

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    WeissCannon SilverString 60/62

    SilverString/OG 60/62

    Currently testing this and TourBite side by side

    SilverString is my GoTo when dealing with Poly. I love the stuff-- it offers an even play throughout the life of the string

    Groundies:
    Solid feel here as expected. Even response, no surprises. Spin is good, not fantastic, but definitely accessible. Flat strokes yield a nice, penetrating ball. It produces a consistent, even ball. What you put is what you get, no real surprises. Towards the end of play, spin became harder to access but the flat response shots were dynamite

    Serving:
    Decent pop, Average spin. Still getting used to the POGs. I'm finding that the MPH on my flat serve is less but the precision is definitely higher. Much easier to bomb down the T on the Ad side. I think SS is better for penetrating the court than hooking angles (could just be my style of serving)

    Volleys:
    Does what you'd expect it to, haha. Placement is good, touch, a little less than preferred but still solid, I must say, I liked Black Widow a bit better on the volleys.

    Tension maintenance:
    INFINITELY BETTER THAN BLACK WIDOW!!!! Ugh. I can't stress it enough. While the tension has dropped a bit from my first play it's still tolerable. The bed still feels tight and responsive.

    Durability
    Hmm, I'm at 4-5 hours and counting? Strings are still springy. Shifting is there but at a tolerable level for 14x18 pattern. Notching is about 1/4-1/2 through the poly mains depending on where you look. Not bad.

    Boom goes the dynamite (for those Breaking In fans out there)... Popped at 6 hrs

    Hehe, please don't mind my notes in the background-- I was writing up the results for a lab.

    Groundies: 4/5
    Volleys: 4/5
    Serves 3.5-4/5
    Comfort: 4/5
    Spin: 3.5/5
    Power:3.5/5
    Tension retention: 5/5
    Durability:4/5 (Based on the POG findings so far.)

    Total 32.5/40
    SS suits my game-- it's low powered and a consistent play.


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    Tour Bite 60/62

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    Stringing: Cakewalk-- In the POG Mid it's not an issue at all-- I can see it being a touch annoying doing a full job in say.... my prestige mid :D

    Groundies:
    I feel like this is one of those strings that really needs to settle before you hit with it. My first experience was less than fun. I was expecting something really awesome and I wasn't too sure of results. Some shots had great depth and penetration while others fell short, hit the net, went long. There was a bit of an inconsistent response from the string bed. After hitting with it for a while, things evened out. Decent flat strokes, it's definitely a string you need to step into the ball with. Relatively low powered in comparison to the high grade polys out there. Spin is there though. I had an hour long hitting session with a 4.5 friend of mine and he noticed a jump in my forehand when switching from the SilverString test racquet to the Tour Bite. Tonight, I played a doubles match and played with the TB frame-- Nice flat strokes and nice spin potential. There were a few shots where I was expecting the ball to hit tape or go long and was pleasantly surprised at the loop over the net and a clip of tape.

    Final: Played solid until it popped-- I liked this string much more once it settled. Started hitting with my "creative" TB/Gosen today and the feel was right on-- I think the frame just needed time off the machine.

    Serves:
    Got the chance to work on some hard spin serves and some flat based serves today-- much better. The string is solid overall and yields a nice bite to the ball. If you understand proper pronation and can give it that extra bit of "wrist" as you're about to hit the ball it pays off in spades.


    Volleys:
    Solid, nice response off the string bed. Frame does what it needs, no more, no less. Penetration is key here, This string is great for keeping the ball deep and low in the court. Reflex volleys were above average.

    Tension maintenance:
    So far so good-- As I mentioned before, this string really needs to settle. I'm making a very bad habit of pulling frames fright off my machine and going to play (poor time management I suppose). Will update as I play more. Pretty solid, I didn't really have issues with shifting--at least not that I noticed. Racquet felt good until the last. If anything, I liked it a bit more once it settled and I understood what to expect of the strings.

    Durability:
    So we're looking at ~4.5+ hours of quality hitting here. That's pretty solid considering the string played well until it popped. I really wasn't expecting it to go until I hit a big inside-out forehand. The sound scared the heck out of me-- It was getting dark and I thought that I shanked and cracked the frame somehow. Split right in the middle though.



    Biggest pro: The sound-- Good GOD this thing thunders when you flatten out the ball. I missed 2 forehands a bit deep tonight and instead of getting on my case for busting out the rocket launcher to the open court, my partner just had this stupid grin on his face-- "that sh*t's scary...." he says.


    Groundies: 4/5
    Volleys: 3.5-4/5
    Serves 4/5
    Comfort: 4/5
    Spin: 4/
    Power: 3.5/5
    Tension retention: 4/5
    Durability 4/5

    Solid impressions-- Gotta say, I really liked this string. After the second frame I'm diggin' it. Going to be tough to beat in this racquet. B5E Is up next, hope it gives TB a good run for its money

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  5. alidisperanza

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    Started hitting this frame--- I like what I feel so far. Very comfortable poly. Notching a bit fast though
     
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    Reserved for B5E

    Overall a very solid play-- People weren't kidding when they said that B5E is a textured Silver String

    Stringing: Saaaaame as SS. Perhaps a touch sharp but nothing insane. Easy in the POG

    Groundies-- Nice measure of control. Not particularly powerful. The string does what you ask it to. The strength of this string lies more in working spin shots than flat shots. The access to hitting flat is there and it's fairly controlled but I found best results when driving the ball and hitting penetrating topspin. I didn't notice anything in the silly, high bouncing shots department. Unfortunately I tried :( No luck for me. Towards the end of the life of the string, I found the feel to be a bit harsh or boardy on ground strokes. Nothing particularly damning to my play-test but a bit surprising for a WeissCannon string. Perhaps it's due to the hot cold fluctuations/ the fact that the frame has been sitting for a while but It felt like I was hitting with plastic.

    Service: Solid but definitely a control based string. You can swing out on serves without too much difficulty. Access to spin is there. I had good luck hitting kick serves and topspin serves with this setup.

    Volleys: Placement is good, volleys are pretty snappy with this frame. I'd prefer a slightly softer setup if I were to be doing a lot of serve and volleying.

    Tension: Stayed very solid throughout the play of the string. The last hour of so, I felt like the string died out. My possible explanation for that is that I did not play this frame straight as I did the others. I took a 2 week break where I didn't really hit or play at all. Other than that, very happy with the tension retension

    Durability-- I think I had something like 6ish hours out of the string. Awesome for what I've been getting recently.


    Frankly, I'm a touch disappointed with B5E. [Patience, I'll qualify this statement]. I was expecting something really innovative from WeissCannon. What I think came out is a slightly different SilverString. The formula is tried and true and what you get is nothing short of great. What I was expecting is something different and I got more of the same solid product. B5E does differ from Silverstring in that it does seem to be a better "spin" string than SilverString but it doesn't make huge leaps and bounds. If I were finding this string for the first time I'd be very happy with it, I'd undoubtedly buy a reel. Fortunately, I've been playing silverstring for some time now and still have a solid stock. I can't justify the purchase of another reel while I still have the SilverString.


    Groundies: 4/5
    Volleys: 4/5
    Serves -4/5
    Comfort: 4/5
    Spin: 4/5
    Power:3.5/5
    Tension retention: 5/5
    Durability:4/5 (Based on the POG findings so far.)
    32.5/40
     
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  7. RonSon

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    I play with the same racket as you since switching a couple of years ago. I agree it's a very good frame. I will eventually try b5e. I'm reluctant because I already had elbow issues. So I'll wait and see what you think. I currently play with Head rip/mantis comfort or alpha gut 2k in one and I'm experimenting with prince topspin/alpha gut 2k in the other. I'm testing to see if my elbow can handle it strung semi-low. I played with the prince topspin for years and then had the elbow problems.
     
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    If you can handle Head RIP/MCS, I think you can handle B5E strung below 50 with MCS a few pounds higher. I've used both setups and with the lower tension I'd say the softness is about the same.
     
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    I have at least half a reel of the topspin left so I am trying to get used to it again. It is not as soft as head rip, but it bites the ball better. I've been reading what all of y'all say about b5e and eventually I have to give it a try. I'll wait and see what the op thinks also. Especially since we got the same racket.
     
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    It's going in my racquet sometime tomorrow? I have to finish and hand in a BioTechnology final tonight and then I have a Beach Tennis conference in the AM. I have a buddy playing the same hybrid in one of my prestige mids and he likes it so far. I expect good things.
     
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    I would really be amazed if you didn't like the b5e. I don't think I've read a negative post yet. On another note, did you ever try cheap nat. Gut in the pog. That's been recommended to me but I never tried that either.
     
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    Topspin has nowhere near the bite of B5E. I've only used Topspin twice and it lasted 2 sets both times. B5E even though it is 17g has not broken on me yet after over 12 hours of play, the MCS crosses always break first.
     
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    How would you compare the softness between the rip and the topspin. I find the topspin doesn't absorb the impact nearly as well as the rip. Or the topspin and the b5e for that matter, since you tried both? I'm not too concerned with breaking crosses. I've never had that happen. It's always the mains in the same vicinity as the op.
     
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    RIP felt softer to me than Topspin but that is expected since it is a true multifilament versus a solid core with some outer filaments. RIP still was on the stiffer end of the multis for me. I don't think B5E/MCS at low tensions is much stiffer than RIP/MCS. I'd say they are pretty close in terms of softness.
     
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    I can try some gaucho if you like-- I get the feeling it's going to rip in about 1hr tho :(
     
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    Have you ever strung gut in your pog? I never tried it, but like I said it has been recommended by several people. I think you will like the head rip. It's about as durable as most multi's I've used but it's a lot cheaper than the rest. The playability, whether it's serves,volleys or groundstrokes, is awesome.
     
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    Hmm... I'll try to source a pack. I've put gut in my Prestiges and LM Radicals-- so far I've stuck to poly/syn for the POG. Like I said, I'll give it a go once I get through the polys I have on hand.
     
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    So, I decided to put the b5e on hiatus-- I'm almost sure that I'm going to like it if it's anything like SS. Decided to try out the tour bite again

    "One of these things is not like the other" *whistles*
    There are actually 2 things different in this picture. See if you can spot them

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    I played mixed doubles last night for about 2.5 hrs. That puts the rip/mantis at about 11 hours. That's a small miracle for me. I'm looking forward to hearing what you have to say about the b5e. For some reason, I can't pull up the pic on my iPad.
     
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    Top and bottom crosses are the same poly as the mains...interesting...
     
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    Correct. I had so much extra string b/c of the 14/18 pattern that I decided to be creative. Somehow I managed to do it without a starting clamp too:shock: Don't ask... there were some very unorthodox methods used. I've no clue how it will play (although I assume stiffer) What I did notice was that weaving the "box" of the synthetic was much much easier. Perhaps this will allow the mains to slide more giving me Über spin!!!
     
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    B5e going in next. I'm excited
     
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    ...misweave on the 2nd cross from the top of the racquet :shock:
     
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    I was waiting for that...I was so preoccupied doing it w/o a starting clamp (again, don't ask) that I missed a weave-- 1st one ever in 7-8 years. :( Plays just fine though since it's the top
     
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    Final verdict on the TB-- definitely a solid string. Thanks to Pickle for making me take the jump in ordering some. It's going to be tough to beat in this frame. Durability is more than expected, tension retention is positive. I'm hoping B5E compares highly. What I'm noticing from the B5E from the little hitting I've done is that it's a bit more springy. TB grips into the ball a little bit more, even when it's at the end of the string's life.

    B5E in progress!!!

    Played USTA doubles tonight for the string's demise. One of the servers tried hitting a flat serve to my forehand to catch me off guard, I hit a nuclear blast of a return down the line (Deuce side) for the winner... The guy at the net ducked and fell backwards!! Needless to say, highlight of my night and a great way to pop the frame.

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    On another note-- I'm wondering the true effects of my poly 1st and last cross experiement-- I really enjoyed this play. ...Hmm... *thinks it may be time to "borrow" friend's starting clamp*...

    I'll string the other frame with b5e too but in that fashion to see the difference.



    Good news! third frame on its way!!!
     
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    can't wait to see the results of the last strings, the PL2 was one of my favorite strings that I've tried (exo3 graphite 93, full bed @ 58).
    I got a 4stripe mid off of the bay that was strung with prince syn and some multi in the cross which are officially dead on me. Being kind of cheap (and overtly casual player) I haven't gotten around to ordering any string and getting it restrung yet.
     
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    I'm going to string the frame that just popped with B5E in the fashion that I strung the last TB frame, with the top and bottom x's as poly to see the difference in play (it'll be strange to have 2 frames with the same string in them again, haha!). I have another frame coming in Monday? I'll string that up with the PL. II

    PS. I strung a full bed of OG just to try it out and it popped on the outside of the frame before I could ever hit a ball-- I took it as a sign to stick to poly
     
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    Back from a long (and successful!) weekend of Beach Tennis. Unfortunately I've been too lazy to string any frames, haha. Will take care of it tomorrow and commence the heavy hitting for B5E
     
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    Strung up Solinco Barb Wire today-- interesting stuff, not too fun to string. Will start hitting it as soon as I pop my PL II. (Very soon by the looks of it)
     
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    I'm sorry but have you given a full review of the B5E? It seems you started and never finish.
     
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    Chech P1 post 6. I started it last night then realized I was typing the same thing over and over and over while dozing off. I'll probably finish it up in class today.
     
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