Point of the Royal Family?

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  1. mathieu

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    Can't help but notice the incessant news about the soon to come wedding between Kate and Will, and I wondered why the heck Britain still has a monarchy? Do these people actually do anything important?
     
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    Horrible sycophantic nonsense all over the UK media about this engagement. It's going to get even worse when they actually get married.

    Re what they do, Monarch is head of state and head of the Anglican church, other royals do charity stuff like the Prince's Trust, serve in the army etc and perform various diplomatic duties.

    One argument for their continued existence is that they're good for tourism. I think for many people it's a part of our 'national identity' so they put up with it, just because it's the way it's always been and change is a bit frightening.
     
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    The English should be embarrassed. There are few things as backwards as "royalty".
     
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    Excellent post!
     
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    You're telling me! It's everywhere you look, the news, the papers, the internet etc..

    Although I remember when Chelsea Clinton got married a few months ago, that was everywhere too. There's enough interesting things to report on, some irrelevant people getting married means nothing to the people not involved, as far I can tell.
     
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    Good points.

    Some say the Queen also serves as a more unifying figure than any president or PM would be for another country, because she is not affiliated with any political party. I'm not sure how true this is; it's tough to tell since I am an outsider. But, I have heard a few people mention this.

    I get the impression that this royal family could be heading down the same road as those from other countries. The people around me give the impression that they don't care as much about them as they used to (but maybe that's just the people in this town). Perhaps in a few decades they will be as low-profile as the Dutch, Danish, Spanish, etc., royal families.
     
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    Irrespective of what the royal family do and the current media hysteria about the annoucement.

    Personally I think it's nice to have some positive news dominating the headlines.

    Also, what is there to be embarrassed about? If someone judges me, based on their perceptions of the monarchy etc, to me that person isn't worth my time and effort.
     
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    I agree with you and I'm from a country that has Royalty too (no one really cares about the King and Queen and Princesses but middle age women who like the gossip anyway) but i'll tell you one: Creationism, Glenn Beck and stuff like that is even more backwards.

    I'm so puzzled with it that even the idea of European Royalty seems perfectly modern and logic in comparison.
     
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    they get all the hot women ?
     
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    Probably the same excuse for having a Fedfool around.

    They've been around so long it's like removing a dead rotting tree... it's more trouble that it's worth.

    They attract tourists like pigeons to statues... crap magnets lol.

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    Such as people who don't know the difference between England and the UK. Not. Clever. :)
     
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    The point of the royal family is to make other countries want one ie(USA). I live here and i say why don't we have one.
     
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    I'm waiting for the pic to hit the media with Prince Harry giving Kate a good seeing to, with Wills sitting in the corner of the room, sobbing gently to himself. Now you tell me the Royal Family is worthless if you saw that.
     
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    Haha, good quote, it seems from one of the good episodes of "Mad men".
     
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    Because we want to?

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    Yeah, I'd say at least 60% of us get lucky enough to bag one of those:shock:
     
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    "look at us we're a massive country"

    LOL
     
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    Thinking about it a bit more, the main purpose of the royal family in the modern world appears to be simply to fill the role of permanent celebrities.

    Actors, musicians, and athletes come and go, but the royal family is always around. And, there are enough members in the family to ensure that their fans won't have to wait long for the next topic of gossip.

    Around here at least, I've noticed that the only people who talk about the royal family are the same people who gossip about celebrities and reality TV. And those who aren't caught up in celebrity culture seem to have a similar apathy towards the royal family.

    Coincidence?
     
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    Big hoo ha or not i think she comes across as a confident sweet and classy lady.
     
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    Kate Middleton is a fox. Can you imagine how good looking their children are going to look like?
     
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    But is will that good looking? (unless you're in to egg heads? :twisted:
     
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    They are the equivalent of our celebrity's in North america.

    Somehow people feel a personal connection with these people they never met or only came across once. As if our lives are impacted by theirs.

    For many women, and some guys, I think aristocracy/celebrity infatuation is the same as many guys, and some women, rooting for their sports team.

    I have tons of posts about the top tennis players, so who am i to talk.
     
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    Since you're a citizen of the USA, I'm sure you'll agree there are plenty of things more backwards than the concept of royalty.

    Although saying that - the concept of a monarchy, and the historical relevance that goes with it, must be strange to a member of such a young country like yourself.

    I'm not a devout royalist myself, but am still proud to belong to a country that has such a long and interesting history. Good luck to them!
     
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    Its all fun and games until Emperor William dissolves parliament, takes control of the military, recriminalizes dentistry, reinstates himself as head of church, and reduce large portions of the population to peasants and serfs.
     
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    The swedes have a king, so it MUST be politically correct.
     
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    I guess the closest we've got is the Kennedys, although lately not much news on that front. My history teacher in high school told me that the reason the English treasure their royalty is that things were so miserable under Cromwell and they have never forgotten that.
     
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    William plays at Queens club and sometimes takes Kate - apparently Will is a half decent player .....
     
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    After the next two years of divided government, we may yearn for a monarchy.
     
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    Are you saying she does or doesn't have big hoo ha's?

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    Teach is correct. Cromwell wasn't a barrel of laughs.

    I think the whole idea of republicanism seems a bit radical for many Brits, revolutions appear somewhat risky (a bit 'foreign' too).

    Also don't forget the British Monarch is also the head of state for lots of other places and head of the Commonwealth.

     
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    this might be the dumbest thing i have ever read :shock:
     
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    Royalty is a tangential spin-off of creationism as far as I'm concerned.

    Nowhere in my post did I indicate that I didn't know the difference between England, Great Britain, the United Kingdom, the Commonwealth Realms, or even the Commonwealth of Nations. Elizabeth II is informally known as the Queen of England. She is English, and the palace of her crown is in England. The English are leaps and bounds more infatuated with the royal family than any other nation of the UK.

    In other words, shut up.

    Does not compute. Whom are you quoting here?
     
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    Luckily we don't have to hear about which sister Jethro Appalachia is marrying on the news every 20 minutes, though the two are neck in neck in terms of backwardness.

    Ironically, it doesn't get a whole lot more inbred than British royalty. They've been marrying their cousins since they were Germans.
     
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    Or in other words, you made a mistake and are attempting to rationalise it. If you were more polite you might have got away with it (telling someone to 'shut up' is an emotional event, rhetorically inept, and a real giveaway).
     
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    Your mentioning this reminds me of the idiotic danish psychologist who was counseling the new british primeminister that muslims have inferior genes because of inbreeding during the 1400s. News flash, the various lineages European aristocracy which many look up to as the epitome of civility and human quality are as inbred as they come, and who have spread their seed deep into the general population.

    I'm not muslim nor middle eastern btw.
     
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    Not really. It may been true at that immediate time when Cromwell was gone, but monarchy exists in many european countries and it has being maintained (and sometimes restored) by different historical reasons in the different historical moments.

    Today, I think, the main reason European royalties exist is because people don't feel the need of making a major change about that: all the European kings and queens are virtually mere decorative figures, it's like having a statue in your living room that looks kinda elegant when you receive visitors, and even if you don't fancy it, removing it may cause more trouble than keeping it.

    In Spain there's a wide Republican feeling though (couldn't say about percentages but there's a number of people who would prefer a republic) but revolutionary experiments ended badly in 1931-1939 so today even Republicans think there are more important things to think of that if there's a King or not.
     
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    Saying revolution was an experiment that ended badly isn't quite right. It ended in large part because the nazzi's and Italians came at behest of the fascist spanish Nationalists and with their advanced forces stamped it out.
     
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    The notion of celebrity, esp those who are famous for being famous is surely worse than royalty? Thats a kind American import to our shores, worshiping politicians (eg Kennedys/Clintons) seems pretty alien to us outside the US.The royalty to do a useful job of opening doors in other countries for trade purposes.
     
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    I'm sure the Royal Babe will be well serviced by Prince William and his royal staff.

    I wish them both well.
     
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    Agreed. Americans should be embarrassed about the current state of celebrity. mid 20th century it seemed like only famous actors and the like were famous. Now anyone who falls down on YouTube or has sex on camera is a celebrity.

    Still, the royal family has power over political affairs, including power over foreign countries (e.g. Canada). Her powers are limited yes, but they shouldn't be underestimated. I believe she has veto powers over PM selections in member states.
     
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    I think while it's still written into the constitution I do find myself wondering if she'd get away with using them these days! I'd of found it pretty funny iof she'd said "no thanks" to DAvid Cameron but still kicked Brown out of power in the summer, frankly Prince Phillip couldn't be any worse a poitician than the ones who get paid to do it, at least he is funny!
     
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    In my opinion it's not always as important what government does, but what they have a right to do, and the queen has a right to veto the democratic decisions of foreign nations. That's just bizarre.
     
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    I liked when Harry showed up in a N A Z I uniform years ago at a Halloween party. It really showed how intelligent this "royal" family is.....
     
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    Given their wealth, they are disappointingly ignorant.
     
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    Well, they are actually a German family.
     
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    Yes, in fact Spanish Civil War was the final rehearsal of WW II, but my point is: in 1931 Spain was already in a revolutionary mood for years, as were Germany, Italy and other countries by the time. The revolutionary impulse started well -with a democratic Republic- but in those times major changes could be dramatic for a country and it turned to be when the military decided to take over with the help of Hitler and Mussolini.

    The fact the military needed more than three years to dominate the country and end the war, proves how the population resistance was very strong due the traditional revolutionary mentality of Spaniards at the time. In fact, in the Republican resistant side the revolutionary communists had a lot of internal power too, and it's very possible that if they had won, Spain had turned a communist country in the Stalin's sphere, so this is my point: after a four-year civil war based on strong 1930's ideologies, the country was pretty much screwed no matter the outcome. It was fascism or communism, which were pretty much the same crap.

    A revolution of any kind, specially after the XIX century, has a big chance of ending in disaster. So better not trying it. Slow changes are the best.

    They should be underestimated. In fact, we see an opposite effect compared with what happens with USA presidency.

    Take Spain (although I'm sure is pretty much the same in the UK and the otrher European monarchys). The King is, on paper, the chief commander of the army, tha navy and the air force. He has to put his final signature on many new laws for they to be approved and he has a theoretical veto power. All of this is in the Constitution.

    But he couldn't make use of it. His are merely decorative powers based on customary protocols, although they are written on paper. But he can't do anything without the Parliament and Senate (and other powers like Constitutional courts), that's in the Constitution too. In fact, no one among the real politic power and much less among the people would allow him to take any real power or make a veto by himself. It's just a science fiction scenario. Any European king/queen knows that if they wanted to take any kind of power or disturb the political life by using some written capabilities, the country would say "ok that's it" and would turn into a Republic or at least force an abdication. In this historical moment, a king in Europe can not be anything else that a law-signing decorative, diplomatic souvernir action figure. If anything, they have a representative value just as the flag.

    Now compare the situation with that of the US president, who yes, is elected, but who can accumulate more power than the effectively written in the Constitution for him and people would allow it (as also happened even worst in Italy).

    A President is not necessarily a better guarantee of constitutional virtues that a king/queen. It depends much on how the country's system is organized when it comes to applying the Constitution, and also depends much on the people's mentality.
     
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