Pojie String Extenders?

Discussion in 'Other Equipment' started by tray999, Oct 22, 2013.

  1. DTank

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    I definitely agree with your thoughts on poly at low tensions. One of my favorite set ups is ALU power in the low 40s. Sometimes I won't even tell customers what tension I'm doing until after they've played with it and like it. I assure them that if they don't like it I'll redo if for free. I've never had to redo one, but if you tell someone your stringing their racquet at 40 pounds they freak out.

    I can see your point about dropping tension on the center strings to get more elasticity and that makes sense. I think the difference is the compression core of the Pojie. The core consists of a polyurethane outer layer and a hard plastic core. At impact the core elastically deforms and allows substantially more elongation than you can get by simply lowering tension or extending the strings.

    The original development of this product was to help with tendonitis by absorbing the vibration and shock of impacting a tennis ball repetitively. I think it does help with that as long as your also using the right string and tension. I also think if you have 2 racquets strung the same string and tension you will notice a difference. I can personally feel the ball on the strings longer, feel like I can put the ball where I want more consistently, and generate more spin when I want to hit a heavier ball. That's why I use them, if it prevents my arm from hurting or being fatigued that's a bonus.

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  2. volusiano

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    I bought some Pojie string extenders and installed them on my Prokennex Kinetic 5G. I have 2 of these sticks, full gut string job (Performaxx natural gut) on both, same 54 lbs tension, 1 piece stringing, one with the Pojies and one without the Pojies. The one without the Pojies had been strung for a little while, but not that long ago. The one with the Pojies is newly strung, of course.

    I took them to the court to try them out with my wife today. I wasn't sure because I already have a full gut setup at low tension, whether I could really tell a big difference between them or not. But I was surprised that I could. The one without the Pojies has always been nice and sweet. But the one with the Pojies feels even nicer and sweeter. More pop on the ball, sweet spot seems bigger, mostly positive feeling over all.

    Here's what funny, at the first water break, maybe 1/2 hour into the session, my wife told me that she could tell the Pojie stick seems to pop very nicely with a different sound that she's never heard before. She's the one with good hearing in the family, I have very bad hearing, by the way. She said let her try it. She's maybe a 2.5 to 3.0, can hold her own OK actually, just not an advanced player. I reluctantly said OK and let her have it. I use the same stick, but the one without the Pojies.

    After just a few hits, she's like "Wow, this stick is much nicer than mine!!!" And she's not kidding, because I could tell that her game improved instantly. She was returning the ball much better and made less mistakes than before and everything else. Just got a lot more balls over the net and in the zone than before. Her strokes seemed more effortless, etc. Guess what, she kept the stick for the rest of the night and refused to give it back to me. :) I think that's going to be her stick going forward now. Of course I'll get to use it when I play with other people but not with her.

    We played for 2.5 hours and she didn't want to quit at the 2 hour mark like normal. At the end of the session, she said her elbow feels just fine, but her knees and feet are sore. Normally she plays with a Head Flex Point which is also strung with a full set of Performaxx natural gut. But she said she could feel a big difference between her Head stick and the ProKennex 5G with Pojie stick right away.

    I bought a whole can of 40 Pojies (did't want to pay $4 for each, also reviews on this thread helped me decide to take the risk to buy on volume to save, and free shipping until end of January, a $7 value), so I may string up a few more other rackets (that I have poly string on right now) with the Pojies and a full set of Performaxx natural gut and see. The only thing is that the ProKennex 5G can take 4 Pojies while all my other rackets take only 3, or those that can take 4 have narrower throat areas, so the 2 outside Pojies would be touching the frame, which I'm not sure is a good idea or not. I think you can probably get the most effect from the Pojies on rackets that can take 4 compared to 3 or 2 because you'll have 8 of your mains on Pojies vs only 6 or 4.
     
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  3. TfReAk

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    I think tennis this . com has a review on the poije
     
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    Come on, now.
     
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    Any posters in this thread affiliated with the makers string advantage?
     
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    I would love to hear your feedback on the product. You didn't feel the same thing I did? Please elaborate.
     
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    Oh I am not doubting that you think you felt a difference, or perhaps actually did feel something, but stating that you could actually "feel the ball on the strings longer" is nonsense.
     
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    Honestly the price point is just too high for me. At 15 dollars added to the cost of the strings I could just start playing with nat gut.

    Has anyone tested these on poly? It makes sense if you use them in conjunction with highly elastic string such as nat gut it would make a difference. But if you try using them on poly wouldn't you get results less than one with an elastic string?

    When using the gut there would be less stress as the string would still stretch around the extenders. Now if you use a poly wouldn't it effectively wear out the extenders faster as the string would not stretch as much therefore stressing the extenders more?

    I've found multiple reviews online from different sources. Some of the reviews seem to be fishy, but nonetheless it all seems to be positive. My main reason for not trying them goes back to price point vs actual difference.
     
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    To say that my comments are nonsense without ever trying the product or knowing anything about me is crazy. The product increases dwell time. That means the ball is on the strings longer. If you knew I was a 2.5-3.0 player and made that comment I would understand your cynicism. I've been string over 20 years and stringing on the tour for almost 10 years. I've heard all level players make comments about things they think are happening or feeling and in some instances they are way off. So you must me a stringer who has heard many of those same comments. I'm a 4.5 rated player and teaching pro. I know what I feel and I know what higher level players have told me about the product. The feedback has been more spin and more depth. What do you think is causing that to happen? To me that's an increase in dwell time. To the average rec player I think they will feel like they are getting more power. I would love to hear your feedback after trying the product and see if you still have the same point of view.
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  10. v-verb

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    Dustin are you affiliated with the product?
     
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    My internet research says that he is. I don't mind having someone be affilated with a company answering our questions, or giving feed back. As long as their view are legitimate and not making some obsurd claim.

    HOWEVER, a link to the GSS thread still has some positive reviews that don't seem to be affilated to the product.

    http://www.gssalliance.com/boards/topic/power-pads/
     
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    March of 2013, I was one of the stringers at the Family Circle Cup in Charleston SC. The guy that hired me to help him with the stringing was a play tester for String Advantage. At that time the product was bigger and pink. It's come a long way in a short time. He gave me some samples and asked me to try them. My first thought was they were way too big and funny looking. The sat in one of my drawers for about 6 months. I finally got around to try 2 in the throat of my blade 16x19. I liked them, but couldn't get past how big and pink they were.

    Several months later they sent me the current model to play test. Smaller and black! This is something I could give a try and be ok using on a regular basis. I strung up 2 racquets, both blade 16x19 with all ALU power, one with 4 Pojie and one without Pojie. I noticed a considerable difference in feel, spin, and depth. Poly typically doesn't produce a very big ball pocket, Pojie increases that ball pocket and yes I can feel the difference. I've also tried the same string set up on a prestige 18x20, I didn't feel the same ball pocket. I just felt a little more comfort or softer feel. I currently use 4 Pojie on a blade spin.

    After play testing for several month I was contacted by String Advantage about promoting Pojie. With my connections as a stringer they felt I could help get Pojie in the hands of more stringers which would get it into more players frames. I recently went to the Australian Open as a stringer for the Wilson Stringing Team and took product to all the stingers. I told them what I liked about it, but asked them to try and give me their feedback.

    I'm a teaching pro and racquet technician at a public facility. I'm USPTA P-1.USRSA Master Racquet Technician. Over the years I've stung for many of the top ATP and WTA players at the following tournaments:

    Australian Open
    US Open
    Sony Open
    Memphis
    Winston Salem Open
    Citi Open in DC
    China Open
    Family Circle Cup

    I promote this product because I believe in the benefits of it and that it can help people play better with less pain. This is another tool for stringers to help their customers play better or play with less pain. I haven't personally felt the benefit of it being easier on the arm, but I have customers that do. Everything that I have said in my posts have been my own beliefs and experiences or what my customers have told me about this Product. I didn't hide behind a username because I stand behind every comment I've made.

    Dustin Tankersley
     
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    Thanks for explaining Dustin.
     
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    Thanks Dustin.

    Honestly if someone had some free sample I wouldn't mind testing them if they were cheaper. Is there any talk with TW to get them in stock here? I noticed they carry them at some other online stores.
     
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    I have an extra set of Pojie and I'm in the 951 (over the 241 hill)...send me a PM so we can set up a meet?
     
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  16. volusiano

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    I used my ProKennex Kinetic 5G with the Pojies in a match play today. The guy that I played with once a week (much superior player than me) said that he noticed my game improved today to a better level. He still beat my *ss badly, though. But that's how it is when you play with better players. Personally I think it performs better in general compared to my same stick/same string without the Pojies. Not significantly better, but better enough over all that I can tell. It's interesting that he didn't notice the Pojies on my racket at all. If they were pink like before, I'm sure he would have noticed.

    I hit with my wife last night for the 2nd night in a row. In my previous post, I said that she "hijacked" my stick with the Pojies the first night and played better. The second night I asked her if it's still working out well for her, and she said yes, but not as noticeable as the first night. I think it the "honeymoon" period in the first night probably wore off on her.

    One thing she said that's significant, is that after the 2 sessions using it, her elbow doesn't "twing" even though her body aches (from playing hard). I think that that alone is worth having it on. Everything else is icing on the cake, as long as the cake is to help improve the tennis elbow issue.

    I agree that $16 for a set (before shipping) is really not justifiable for most people. That's why I bought a whole can of 14 for $85 with free shipping, which comes out to a little over $2 per piece or $8.50 for a set of 4. That's much more justifiable to me. Also, I think if you're not a hard hitter, maybe you can reuse them for a few stringings before changing them out with new ones. That'll help reduce the cost a bit more. Since I have a whole jar of 40, what I'll do is to use new ones on each restring, but not discard the old ones. Instead keep the old ones around in a separate "used once" jar. Once I use up all the new ones, I'll reuse the "used once" pieces and start a new "used twice" jar and so forth.

    By the way, they sell a set of 4 for the same price as a set of 3. Who'd be dumb enough to buy the set of 3 in the first place? Just package a set of 4 and sell that only already. Or price the set of 3 a little less.

    One question I have maybe for Dustin is that some of my rackets have 4 loops in the throat, but the throat area is small, and installing the Pojie on the outer 2 loops will cause the string to touch the frame. So is it advisable to use only 2 instead of 4 Pojies in this situation? Or is it OK to use 4? I would prefer to use 4 for maximum effect, but not if the 2 outer ones will wear out the string prematurely due to it touching the frame. What would you do in your situation as a stringer? I string my own rackets.
     
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  17. liehssahmster

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    I had that problem too on my mom's Prince O3 White. The outer strings were touching the frame if I used 4 Pojies. Ultimately I decided to use 2 devices and it seemed to work well. On the K-Blade 98 and K-Blade Tour (93) I had plenty of clearance for all 4 Pojies. Have not strung any other frames with Pojies that have 4 string pairs in the throat.
     
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    I think for your wife it could have been the honeymoon effect or it could have been she was just playing better that first night. I would be interested to see how she likes it after playing with them for a month or so.

    I'm currently using a set for the 3rd string job. I think after 3 or 4 restrings it would be good to replace them. They say for optimal performance to replace every restring, but I think they will preform well for at least 3 restrings maybe 4.

    I also had the same issue with 4 Pojie touching the inside of the frame when I installed them on my boss's racquet. I went ahead and installed 4 because I wanted him to feel the full effect of Pojie. He liked them and I haven't noticed any issues with them. I think it could have a slight negative effect with the string up against the frame, but the positive effect of Pojie may out way the negative. Still not sure on this one. Will have to monitor and see how that plays over time.

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    Well I bought the hype and ordered a set of four and I'm just waiting until my next restringing to install them.

    I do wish the owners would stop emailing asking me to review them. I got one such request before they even arrived and now a second one on the day after they got here.
     
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  20. volusiano

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    I just strung another racket (Head Flex Point Radical Tour) with 3 Pojies and full set of Performaxx natural gut tonight. Will try it out tomorrow at the meet up and see how it hits. This stick is a 16x19 pattern so we'll see if the spin is improved or not.

    I may string up my Wilson Ncode 6.1 95 next. This is the one with the 2 out of 4 Pojies touching the frame. I may take the risk and use 4 Pojies and see what happens since Dustin tried it out and it seems to work OK for him.

    What about Prince O3 O port rackets? I have an orange O3 Tour MS stick. I tried the place a Pojie on the throat to see how stable it is and it's not stable at all. Also, the whole point of the O port technology is to allow better string movement around the O openings, so I suspect that the Pojie may interfere with the intention of the O port design in the first place.
     
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  21. volusiano

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    Yeah, I got an email from String Advantage asking me to write up a review for them, too. But it was just 1 time about a week or two after I ordered the Pojies. But the review requires your full name and I'd like to keep my privacy so I told them if they allow anonymous reviews then I'd do it.
     
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    Wish owners stop emailing asking me to review Pojie

    Yea, I got an email from them to review the product -- but I NEVER BOUGHT ONE! Sheesh, pushy marketers. I also don't particularly like the way it's worded. Like my saying the product is great would help others when they really just want to sell product. Here's straight from their email [I added the bold]:


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    "I was wondering if you could do me a really quick favor, and I'm only asking a selected few.

    Here it is: if you've had success using the Pojie please click below and give me a quick review.

    www.stringadvantage.com/playerfeedback (takes < 60 seconds)

    Here’s why I need your help:

    My mission is to help as many tennis players as possible achieve an improvement in their game.

    And when new tennis players come to my website, they often don’t know me or the product and can be skeptical. By you telling them that Pojie is worthwhile, they’ll take the time to give it a try. As a result they’ll be more successful.

    So, if you could click here and give me a quick review, that would be really helpful.

    Thanks so much for your help!

    David Warren - Co-Founder and CEO

    P.S. This should take no more than 60 seconds. Thanks again. Here’s the link:"

     
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    I was sent a demo set and will review right after i finish the TW prince hybrid string test.

    I wanted to have a control racket with my usual set up to directly compare the use of PSE. With the season starting next week i think i should have a review up early next month.
     
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  24. volusiano

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    I played with my newly strung Head FlexPoint Radical Tour tonight with 3 Pojies. Also had a good chance to alternate back and forth several times between my ProKennex Kinetic 5G with 4 Pojies and the identical control stick with no Pojies (same string, same tension strung).

    Generally, I found that the 5G with the 4 Pojies was a little bit heavier, as expected due to the additional weight of the 4 Pojies. And it has a little more pop, probably partly due to the added weight, but also due to the Pojies. The ball seems to get returned with a little more pace. The pop sound is also a little different and a little louder.

    Similar experience between the 2 Head FlexPoint Radical Tour sticks. The Pojied one performed better, but not by a wide margin. The control stick (without Pojies) has a much smaller grip (4 1/8 ) compared to the test stick with Pojies (4 1/2), so it's not 100% apple to apple beside the Pojies. The bigger grip on the test stick was much more comfortable for me so that might have skewed the result a bit.

    Overall, I'd say the Pojied stick played a little bit better, but it was not like a WOW by a wide margin. I think it was mainly because I had a full bed of gut (Performaxx 16) strung at lower tension (54 lbs) already, so the great performance of the full bed of gut already overshadows whatever more improvement the Pojies may bring to the table.

    What would be interesting to find out is how the Pojies perform on poly strings. Maybe this is where it can shine better, especially in the comfort department. Unfortunately I've sworn off polys for good and only play with a full bed of gut now to help with tennis elbow. So I won't be testing it out on polys.
     
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    I had a chance to string up and test 4 Pojies this weekend with a full bed of Poly.
    ATTENTION: They claim it adds only 1.8g to your racket.
    But this is PER EACH. So total weight added to my racket was 7.2grams. Therefore, enough significant amount for me to notice the increase of Swing weight and shift in racket balance to the head. If you are racket weight and balance sensitive, I would recommend adding 7.2 grams of lead to your throat of your racket prior to testing these out to see if you like the new weight and balance first.

    Performance Pros: First, they made the Poly play much more comfortable. I would say this is the best attribute of this product: COMFORT . They are like shock absorbers for your tennis racket. They kind of look like that too. They make your racket feel more muted, almost like the Prince "Port" muted feeling.
    Second, I definitely could tell a difference in the increase in power. The string bed had more of a trampoline feeling and I would say the sweet spot felt larger. When I took a full, fast stroke, I could feel the ball pocket very well into the strings and could direct the ball at will. But on the flipside, when I would just block the ball back, it would trampoline too much off the string bed and send the ball sailing out. So, offensive shots it somewhat improved in power. But defensive shots, the increase in power sent the ball sailing.
    Last: 30 money back guarantee is always nice when testing new products :)

    Performance Cons: Because of the increase of shock absorption and power, I could not feel the ball on my string bed as I like to. And I could not control the trampoline effect very well.
    It was like my racket turned into an oversize 110+ with shock absorbers. (I use a 98)
    Also, the 7.2g increase of weight in the throat changed my racket feel, swing weight and balance too much. My timing was off and I was hitting the ball late and not as clean. I'm sure if I took the time to adjust to the new specs, I would get it dialed in. But in my stage of the game (4.5+ level), I want something that doesn't change too much of my timing and mechanics. Last, stringing these up wasn't easy. I have a 2 point drop weight stringer. And the throat clamp was in the way of the Pojies to sit correctly on my racket. So reluctantly, I had to loosen up the throat clamp while stringing to slide the pieces under it so it would sit securely on the racket. I know this could not be good for the racket in the long run to do this while stringing with that much tension.

    Overall, I would recommend this product to someone who wants to change their racket to a more comfortable, muted, powerful, heavier stick.
    For me, the 4 Pojies were too much. I might try them with just 2 and see how they perform with 1/2 the weight and pieces after testing it with the adjusted lead test: (Adding the appropriate amount of lead to your throat of your racket first to feel the changes of the specs of your racket first. ie. 3.6grams for 2 pieces, 5.4g for 3 pieces, 7.2g for 4 pieces)
     
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    I played my first match with the extenders on this afternoon and first impressions are very positive. I have never hit so many lines that I was actually aiming for in 40 years of playing tennis. My racquet felt so comfortable that it seemed like I was throwing the ball instead of hitting it.

    For full disclosure, I did try a new stringing technique too for the first time, very slow pulls and a delay before clamping on the Signum Pro Tornado poly string so some of the nice feel I was experiencing may have been due to that rather than the extenders.
     
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    I don't know if it is just because I've played a lot since I added the extenders (9 of the last 11 days) or because of them but my wrist has been uncharacteristically sore. Pre-extenders, my racquet had a bit of lead added at 10 and 2 o'clock but I removed more than half of it because the overall weight was too much. My overall racquet weight is 12.4 ounces including the extenders, tourna tac wrap, and the lead with head tape over it which is almost exactly what it was before adding the Pojie's.
     
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    A college buddy of mine showed me the Pojie last year to try it out. I'll be honest, when he showed me what it is, at first, ironically I was like okay sure it will give me an edge pfff... but after hitting with his a bit I was like "wow this is a pretty cool concept".
    Then I strung mine up and I fell in love with the pojies ever since and been playing with it. My racket felt reenergized. Once I had to play without them due to breaking all my strings, and hated it...
    I use poly strings, and stiff racket which I always loved. Before the mid blades, I played with 4 generations of mid prestiges. I always liked stiffer rackets, and as growing up in Europe on red clay I like to hit a lot of spin and slice. The Pojie gives a much better contact with the ball and I feel like I can play with the ball on my strings better and longer...I enjoy playing with two ponies, but to me four works the best.
    Overall, great pop and feel on the ball. Good players will know what I am talking about. To me, if my racket feels right that is half of the success!
     
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  29. liehssahmster

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    Anyone, other than me, still using these? I've had them in my F2.0s, mainly with Cyclone 18, since last December. Still loving the feel and lack of arm pain.
     
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    glad to hear they got rid of your arm pain! i just strung a set of them into one of my wife's sticks for that very reason!

    so is everyone buying a brand new set of these every time they restring like it says on the package?
     
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  31. liehssahmster

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    I pretty much ignored the packaging and kept restringing them. Can't say that I recorded the number of times I reused each set, but my general experience is that they play like new for at least 3 stringings. After that, they start showing signs of mechanical fatigue. And the comfort drops off as well.
     
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  32. volusiano

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    I haven't had to restring yet since my first set of Pojie installation, but I plan to reuse the Pojie at least 3 or 4 times or until I notice a performance reduction.

    Of course the manufacturer wants you to use a brand new set on each restring so they can sell more. Fortunately YOU get to decide when to retire them.
     
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    I strung up a Babolat AeroPro Drive today with a full bed of Performaxx natural gut (Classic Touch 16) at 55 lbs and 3 Pojies at the throat. It made the racket a little head heavy now due to the added weight. But it's no big deal since the APD is not too heavy to begin with.

    In the beginning I was wondering whether I should or not, because the Babolat already has the Woofer technology which is supposed to give you the similar effect as the Pojie does. So I asked the String Advantage folks whether it's recommended to be used on Babolat rackets with the Woofer system or not and they said sure, even more so to help counter the Babolat's stiffness. So I decided to go for it.

    I played a match tonight with the Pojied racket and my game noticeably improved. Even my opponent said so.

    I have another APD racket strung with hybrid poly and no Pojies used for comparison. The Pojied racket has more pop in general, and I made less unforced errors today, able to return more balls, etc. Probably not all due to the Pojies, since the full bed of gut probably also helps a lot. I served better, too.

    The Pojied racket is also easier on the arm. I don't feel any elbow twinging afterward. Again, I'm sure the full bed of gut also helps along with the Pojies, so I can't really say how much is due to which. But that's OK, my goal is to be able to get improved performance so if the combination of both gives me that result then that's all I care about. Doesn't matter to me how much is due to which.

    I had some reservation about using the APD before since it's notoriously hard on the elbow. So I'm glad I can solve this problem with the gut/Pojie combo to enable me to enjoy the improved performance I can get from the APD without paying the price for elbow injury.
     
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  34. corbind

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    Although you feel you played better and your opponent agreed, it leaves us torn. Dunno about you but I always play better with a newly-strung racquet than not. It is crisp and more accurate. So even if you had the same string, same tension in 2 sticks but one freshly strung and the other a few weeks used, there is still gonna be an unintended bias for the new one. Rats.

    So the only way to mitigate extraneous variables is to use same sticks, strings, tension and weight. Both just strung. One with Pojies one without. Even with that nearly perfect scenario you'll still have a different weigh and balance due to Pojies. Still it is the best we can hope for in testing.

    I'm due for stringing up 3 sticks in the next month maybe I'll give it a try testing with full beds of gut one with magical Pojies. Expensive string jobs so would need some encouragement from you guys to take the challenge.
     
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  35. volusiano

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    Yes, I hear you about eliminating all variables to truly know the difference only the Pojies contribute.

    I have 2 same identical Head Flex Point Radical rackets and 2 same identical Pro Kennex 5G rackets, one strung with a full bed of gut and the other strung with the same full bed of gut type and the Pojies. So I already seen the difference the Pojies make with all other variables removed based on these 2 setups.

    My latest point about the Babolat APD is more about how I think a combination of Pojies plus full bed gut can be the answer to the issue of the APD being a very stiff racket that can hurt the elbow.

    But I do have another Babolat APD that I can eventually just string up with the same full gut bed without the Pojies so I can compare against this one. But I'm a little hesitant about doing that at this point just for comparison purposes, however, because I'd rather just string it with the Pojies as well. I already did the comparison on the Head and ProKennex rackets so I don't need to do another comparison here. My Head and ProKennex was strung before I knew about the Pojies, so it was an easy decision to string the second ones with the same gut and with Pojies added in. In the Babolat case, both APDs were acquired with hybrid polys to begin with, so I have a choice to add Pojies to both instead of just one.

    And yes, even a fresh string bed can play differently than an old string bed. But fortunately, an old full gut bed doesn't play that differently than a fresh full gut bed (at least I'm not sensitive enough to tell the diff), so my A to B comparison I think is still fairly valid.
     
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  36. counterpuncher

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    I know this was earlier in the year, but I was wondering if you ever got around to reviewing these and what your thoughts were?
     
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  37. wmoore

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    another $.02 worth

    I've been dealing with a painful tennis elbow for the past three months. I'd probably jump at anything that claims to deliver some relief - and I've tried a bunch of things already i.e.. got rid of poly, lowered tension, more flexible frame, more weight here, less weight there...whew! Still hurts. I play in a couple of 4.5 leagues and I'm not looking forward to the start of winter play.

    Thank goodness these babies were only $15 and not $100 because I would've tried them anyway.

    As it turns out, i put them in my Blade 98 18X20 with a set of Sensation at 45#. I had already tried the Blade 98 18X20 at 45 without them - no real relief.

    I could definitely tell the difference in how soft the string bed felt - not springy exactly, but definitely soft. Less shock, much more fun playing. Almost no pain after a little warmup.

    Now, if they could just come up with something to make me less fat and move my feet for me, I think they'd be on to something worthwhile.
     
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  38. Bennie Backhand

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    I tried some of these a few months. Thought they were pretty good and did what the company claimed. Only downside for me was the weight they added. Would be fine for a lighter racquet but mine are already about 355g.
     
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  39. Tennisguy3000

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    Hmmm... I have been searching TW & reviewing articles, posts & reviews earlier re "soft" versions of strings (3G Soft vs TB Soft & ALU Power Soft ) and somehow ended up here. Any further input from someone with more than 50 posts? ;-)

    Also, any input on the three soft string versions appreciated.

    Thanks ~ TG
     
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  40. scotus

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    For 4G Soft, there is a thread in the String section where TT members, including me, were given free samples for playtest and review. You can see lots of reviews there.

    For ALU Power Soft, TW Playtest Team did a review, so look for it on the TW website.

    For TB Soft, run a search in the String subforum here. There are many reviews. I have written some comments on it myself.

    I have only played with 4G Soft and TB Soft. 4G Soft wins in playability, tension holding, and playability duration departments. TB Soft is definitely softer. If I had to choose between the two, I would choose 4G Soft any day.
     
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