Poly that is very soft, long liveliness and no need break-in period

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  1. sepidoel

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    As I mentioned, what are the candidates? I prefer economical ones and spin is not necessary as I want to put it as crosses.

    Thanks in advance.
     
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  2. db10s

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    Black widow is soft with scary spin.
     
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    Kirschbaum Pro Line X or Evolution
     
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  4. pvaudio

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    IMO, WeissCANNON Mosquito Bite is what you want.
     
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    He's using it as a cross.
     
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    Exactly what I was thinking. Turbotwist wouldn't be a bad idea to try out, but it is seriously powerful.
     
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    I think MB is probably a good choice. But the first strings that came to mind were Turbotwist and Polystar Energy.

    Of course, Energy is half the price in reel form.

    Compared to Polystar Energy, you won't find any other poly that's softer, has more power, does NOT go dead, and plays perfectly right from the start with no break-in required.
     
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  9. parasailing

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    +1 on Pro Line Evolution. Also like to add L-tec 0S as another option.
     
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    Indeed, I was thinking Turbotwist, but since he didn't mention pop I presumed that wasn't high on the list :)
     
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    I've been using Polystar Energy 17 (reel) on some raquets. It was quite soft on my Prince Rebel 95 (R.I.P. T.T), but it felt quite harsh on my Dunlop Bio 100 (@48 lbs cross). Usually I bashed the stringbed onto the back of my shoe a few times to soften it out. The ball pocketing are different on those two. Now I want to try other options other than PSE.

    @pvaudio: o yes, having more pop is a big plus, especially on mid size racquet. :)

    List of suggestions:

    Dunlop Black Widow ($12.95)
    Kirschbaum Pro Line X ($8.00 - Buy 3 or more for $5.33 per set!)
    Kirschbaum Pro Line Evolution ($12.50)
    WeissCANNON Mosquito Bite ($9.95)
    WeissCANNON Turbotwist ($12.90)
    L-TEC Premium OS ($16.9)
    MSV Co Focus ($7.90)
    Genesis Black magic ($7.90)
    Topspin Cyber Flash ($7.49)

    Thank you guys, I'll do my best to try some of those strings starting from WeissCANNON and Kirschbaum ones..... Unfortunately, they're quite scarce here. T.T


    BTW, how about Volkl Cyclone? I suddenly remember I saw a Chinese store sold its 210m reel for about $65.
     
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    Cyclone is excellent but does NOT last. That pretty much counts it out unless you're willing to restring every few hours as it dies.

    The difference between Mosquito Bite and Turbotwist is really only seen when you use the 1.18mm version of TT. It's a very powerful string, and while I can't comment on it as a cross string, Mosquito Bite is far more versatile. Having played with a 100 for years, you won't be wanting for power from Mosquito Bite whereas Turbotwist could get away from you.

    And no, the L-Tec is a complete waste of money.
     
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    And I don't know where he got that information, but Polystar Energy doesn't even have above average tension stability. It dies about as quickly as the majority of polys.
     
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  16. JT_2eighty

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    Mosquito Bite for sure.

    I've used it extensively alongside Polystar Energy, and MB wins in almost every category: tension maintenance by far, better feel, better control.

    In terms of power and comfort, they are very close, but while Energy turns into a rocket launcher over time, Mosquito Bite is a longevity string which doesn't become uncontrollable in the any way like PE; MB maintains just the right balance of power/control/feel for longer than any poly I've tried (all this is with gut mains setup in a dense 18x20 midplus... see sig).
     
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  17. JT_2eighty

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    If I had the time to restring every match or so, I'd probably have stuck with PE in a full bed. It is great fresh and needs no real break-in.

    Since I don't have tons of free time to restring and prefer gut mains setup, MB is a fantastic cross string that I can use til my gut breaks, and I play a decent amount of doubles too, for which it truly excels at the net.
     
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    Agree on the PSE. Its "sweet period" is very short because of poor tension stability. I choose to string it a bit high for my liking so I'll have 3 periods of time: quite harsh (sometimes I can make use of that), sweet period and rocket launcher (very little bite, quite useless).

    Too bad about Cyclone, I thought I could have a good deal there..... :cry:

    Well, I hope I can find the Mosquito Bite nearby, other wise I have to wait when I go abroad. So excited, can't wait to try it. :)

    Thank a lot, guys.
     
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  19. Chotobaka

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    Big Ace Micro fits your wish list and would work well as a cross for you. Comfy, but the very good tension maintenance is the cherry on top.
     
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    How do Mosquito Bite and Big Ace Micro compare?
     
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    ^^^ Not in the slightest. I'm using BAM right now as my go-to, and MB is better everywhere but for baselining. BAM has a bit more spin and pop, but MB is more all-court.
     
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  22. Muppet

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    Thanks PV.
     
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    OOT question

    Okay, I've set my mind on mosquito bite.

    Now for the mains, what do you guys suggest for multi/nylon as mains? The criterias: comfort, biting, durable and economical.

    If not because of durability I'd been using Prince Premier Softlex 16 (I got that on sale before). Currently I use Wilson Red Alert but it is quite average performance wise. How about Mantis Comfort Syntethic 16?
     
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    Definitely not MCS - you'd break it during the warm-up. That's probably an exaggeration, but for the most part, Rip Control fits the comfort/biting characteristics you're looking for. How durable it is depends on how heavy a ball you hit. One thing's for sure - it's definitely more robust than MCS.
     
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    That seems to be a good choice, but Head RIP Control is quite expensive outside America. I can find quite cheap Weiss Cannon Explosiv, however I heard it's not durable.

    Perhaps it should comes down to durable and cheap multi, otherwise I don't have many choices.
     
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  26. ewberner

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    Try the Weiss Cannon 6-Star supercharged or even gosen og micro 17
     
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    Listen to this guy. It's great as a cross with msv hex 1.10mm.
     
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    Prince Premier LT !
     
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    KB, If I understand correctly you are recommending Hex mains and PE crosses? I have both and am interested in trying this out.
     
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  30. sepidoel

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    I fell in love with multi-mono combo, so full mono is not in my option.

    @ricki : I'm sure it's great, but the price is not right - doubt it's durable too.

    @ewberner : I've been interested in og micro 16 for a long time, but cannot be sure because most of the testimonies were based on putting it as crosses. Is it still a good performer (especially durability, comfort and bite) as mains?
     
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  31. JackB1

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    syngut is best used as a cross for poly or gut mains. Its not recommended as a main in a hybrid job. If you are crossing with a poly, you want a multi or nylon main that is smooth as possible or as gut like as possible. You basically just need a durable multi and it would be a good idea going with a 16g. NRG
    or Multifeel would be good choices.
     
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  32. heartattack

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    Multifilament in the main or Nylon will be a good bet for a smooth poly then?
    Want to try my Discho Microfibre 16g at the main and ITB for cross.
     
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    I have put it in the mains recently, just to try it out, and I was very impressed with how it played. It was a lot better than I was expecting and am debating to just start using that in the mains over other multis that I have tried.
     
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  34. MikeHitsHard93

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    I haven't done a hybrid with it yet, but I am loving PPA!
     
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    IMO, that is the best all around multi you can get for the price. The reel price isn't too great, however. I need to try this in a hybrid, as well.
     
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  36. sepidoel

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    The candidates:

    Head RIP Control 16 ($9.50)
    Gosen OG-Sheep Micro 16 ($3.75)
    Tecnifibre Multi-Feel 16 ($9.50)
    Prince Premier Attack 16 ($9.50)
    Weiss CANNON 6 Star Supercharged 16 (1.30) ($11.90)
    Tecnifibre NRG2 16 ($15.00)
    Prince Premier LT 16 ($16.00)
    Discho Microfibre ($12.49 - Mamba)
    Signum Pro Micronite 1.27 (11,90 € - Europe TT)

    Only the first 4 have good price (great for Gosen). Time to find some cheap reels.

    Thank you guys. :)
     
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  37. ewberner

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    Are you trying all of these?
     
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    I'm no pro nor millionaire, so definitely not. (I wish I am both........ Why, fate?) :p

    I'm interested in the top 4, I'll try to find the reels online and if I can find bargain I'll order it. Hope I can find them locally to test first.
     
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    I'm not a muti guy (unless its wet out then I play with a multi/poly hybrid ans my gut/poly hybrid doesn't work) but I've tried nearly all of those and I like the Discho Microfibre the best. I THINK the Signum and the Discho are the same... i Have not tried the Signum though.

    I did NOT like the PPA. Everyone raves about it. Strung at 54 it was ok for baselines but the feel at the net was quite simply, horrid. The Discho was much better.
     
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  40. khoanguyen2222

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    top 3 soft poly

    For me
    Sppp 17 @ 55lbs
    Discho black spin 17 @ 55lbs
    Solinco revolution 17 @ 50lbs
    All of them last about 10 to 14 hrs court time for me.
     
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  41. Don't Let It Bounce

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    Earlier this year I tried a sample of Topspin Concept Pure in a full bed in an OS Bumblebee. Normally my elbow complains faster than Paris Hilton in the LA County Jail, but it wasn't a problem. It felt good right away, reminding me of Big Ace, and lasted as long as any other poly. I don't know the price, but Topspin's prices are usually quite reasonable.
     
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  42. 0d1n

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    If you are not spin oriented and want to use the poly in the crosses with a multi in the mains then using a very thin poly in the crosses will cut and break your mains much faster. That "mosquito bite" everybody is recommending...is a very thin poly. Expect quick breakage of the mains ... if the mains are multis.

    A poly that's very soft and lively and needs no break in is the one I'm using now...Gosen Polylon Polyquest 1.24.
    I use it as a full job and it's the most "synthetic gut like" feel I've experienced in a poly...but without the drawbacks (no movement...much more durable). It even has nice feel on volleys and drop shots. Pretty stretchy during stringing as well...for a poly...which pretty much confirms its softness/elasticity.

    It is a rebranding of the older Gosen Polylon SP...so if you can find that one cheaper...buy it, it's the same string.

    Also...disregard the "Cyberflash" recommendations...that is NOT what I would call a "very soft/no break in required" type of poly. Admittedly, I've only used the 1.25 version of it...not the thinner one...but again...the thinner one defeats the purpose of putting it in the crosses with multi mains...
     
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  43. sepidoel

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    Topspin Concept Pure 17 (1.24) - $8.90

    I found some good reviews for the string. Thanks.

    I tried my friend's 110 sq in strung with Polylon once (perhaps it's Polylon Ice) and it felt quite soft. I don't know if it's still soft on 90 sq in one. If thinner saws faster, then how about PolyQuest 16 (1.29 mm)? Have you tried it?

    Gosen PolyQuest 16 660 String Reel - $49.99
    Gosen Polylon 16 660' Reel Ice - $33.95
    Gosen OG Micro 16 660' String Reel - $37.95

    If I can make 32 sets out of 2 reels each set will be $2.75 for PolyQuest and $2.25 for Polylon. Wow, what a bargain. ^_^
     
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  44. 0d1n

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    I have tried "plain" Polylon a few years ago in a head radical and didn't like it at all. Felt like I was hitting with a plank of wood. Admittedly it was strung too tight for the 18x20 pattern so that may have influenced my feelings about it but still...the SP/Polyquest is totally different.
    I haven't tried any other Polylon flavors (Ice, Comfort..etc) and I haven't tried the thicker (1.29) version of Polyquest...but even 1.24 is much thicker than 1.16 :).
     
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    mmm, must try some of the Gosen poly offerings. They seem to fly under the radar for the most part. The Poly Break is the string of choice of one of the more respected players on this board so it must be decent to get his recommendation.
     
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  46. 0d1n

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    Who's the member and where is his review? Never tested Polybreak but may have the chance at some point.
     
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  47. smirker

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    Power Player has spoken about using Polybreak. Check his recent threads. Not sure if he has reviewed it as such but sure he would if asked nicely!
    :)
     
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    I second those suggestions and Pro-Line 2 is also similar and very good stuff.
     
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    Gosen Polylon Polybreak 17 String - $8.99

    Mm, the list is still growing, but I can see the trend is still on Weiss Cannon and Kirschbaum.
     
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  50. Voll-E

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    I am new to polyester strings, but I have enjoyed using Polyfibre Black Venom 16L. I use it as a cross in my ProKennex Redondo Mid at 55lb. I use Technifibre NRG2 in the mains at 58lb. I've found that the Black Venom is soft, and it doesn't need a break in period. I think it has good feel and pop. Perhaps others can speak to its longevity.
     
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