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  1. sgrv

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    Starting a thread for posting 4.0 and above videos. It would be a great resource for people at lower levels (including me) to learn from observation.

    Btw, this forum won't you search by 4.0 as it is a very short keyword. Furthermore, I couldn't find useful info on youtube.
     
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    Are you sure about that? How about:

    Andy Murray, Ph.D. in Pushing Sciences and Chairman of Ultimate Pushing Society and Rotary Club

    Gill Simon, Master of Pushing Administration and CEO of Pushing Corp.
     
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  7. pvaudio

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    THey aren't pushers, they're counterpunchers. Pushers can't hit winners, counterpunchers can.
     
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    i dont mean to intrude here but surely they cant be the #1 4.0 players
    i was playing with some 3.5 ladies last night and their strokes looked like they had more pace than that
     
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    #1 4.0's where...Wyoming? North Dakota?
     
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    Looks like a 4.0 to me. Let's see some videos of some verifiable 4.0 players before you clueless folk start acting incredulous.
     
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    I think it's safe to say that we are all befuddled as to how those guys are legit 4.0 players. You'd think 4.0 players would generate good racquet head speed.
    But from the videos, the term "racquet head speed" shouldn't come into play when describing their games.


    But again, NTRP ratings are based on match results, so if those guys can compete at that level, they are legit 4.0s.


    Now here's a 4.5 who looks legit on video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAzzulyqrWw
     
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    I really hope you're joking. He MIGHT be a 4.0, even then, I'd put him at 3.5. Standing in the middle of the court hitting slow rally balls isn't difficult. His serve would be eaten alive by real 4.5 men, and were he to get any volleys with any pace, his cutting motion would dump that ball into the net like my stomach vs. the porcelain after eating KFC.
     
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    Ahaha I actually loled at the first serve that guy took that was just floating AND it was 10 feet out. Please, spare me. Inconsistent? Moderate pace? What the hell is substantial pace?
     
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    everyone and there opinions on ratings. here is mine. On that first video, that is 4.0. You all act like 4.0 is supposed to look like Roger or Andre. This Racquet head speed talk is stupid. I play 4.0 players and 4.5 players. Sometimes you can win just blocking the ball back. You think that guy can't whack the ball hard if he wants ? I bet he can, but I bet he does not do it much in a match. At the 4.0 level, while players can look very impressive, unforced errors are s till very common. So his style of play can be tough to beat. It's VERY hard to smack floating balls for winners time and time again for 4.0.
     
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  16. Dgpsx7

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    can anyone post a real video of a 4.0. I am trying to guess what I am, I think I am a 4.0 but watching the players in those videos makes me nauseous.
     
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    You can try your best to compare, but the only real way of knowing exactly what your level is, is to go out and play tournaments and then see what your results are.
     
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    I think a lot of the videos that have been posted are in fact about the correct NTRP rating.

    I think a lot of you guys are way too quick to judge. Have you seen these player's complete game? You're only watching a small fragment of the total player.

    More importantly, not only are you watching a small fragment of the total player, but you're not watching a competitive match of the person playing.

    Someone give us a 3-5 minute video of someone playing a match and I'll be able to evaluate their true NTRP rating about a million times easier than these little irrelevant snippets.

    And even more importantly than all of what I said is this...

    NTRP ratings aren't based on beautiful, Roger Federer-like majestic strokes. They're based on winning and winning alone. Someone with beautiful strokes and footwork could get demolished by a strong mental player with raw, gritty strokes. Or vice-versa, or whatever.

    I'm sure most of you folks after playing some of these guys in these videos would have a different story to tell in a one on one match. For better or worse, I don't know, but different nonetheless.
     
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  20. Djokovicfan4life

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    Uh, no. I think it's safe to say that he's probably at the highest level of anybody posting in this thread.

    I warned you about that vid, Aimr75.
     
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    Thanks for confirming that.

    I rate myself and my opponent in my videos a 4.0. I am a serve & volleyer, a chip & charger, while my opponent is a baseliner, but we always play fairly even. Usually the score was 7-6, or 7-5 or 6-4, no matter who won.

    When I wrote "that guy is around 3.5" (post # 19), I was reffering to the guy in the video on post # 2. I honestly think I could beat the guy in the video on post number 2.

    I have edited my post #19.
     
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  23. Ano

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    Sorry, the guy in that video is not a 3.5. Not even close.
     
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    I think that guy is a 3.5. Tennis board raters never think anyone is their stated level. League 4.0 guys are not 4.0 and so on. It's hilarious.

    A few wild serves and a backhand shank don't make him 2.5. He hits a pretty nice forehand with some pace - he has some pop on his serve for a guy so small.

    One thing I notice in the "rated down" players is that they don't have a loop takeback. The straight back low take back seems to earn very low ratings from posters..
     
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    I think you guys are 3.5.
    Minimal racquet speed, improper form on the volley, groundstrokes landing in the middle of the service boxes, etc. Just my two cents, don't get offended.
     
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  27. nytennisaddict

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    I agree with everything you've said, and would like to add that even watching a competitive video clip might not be enough especially if person A is playing someone who naturally (or is able to) hits the ball out of person A's strike zone (eg. Santoro vs. Safin)

    I need to get my vid up here... I'm curious how many 3.5 ratings I'd get :p

    Oh yeah, and in the end, who cares about ratings,... it's how I do in tourneys (Open or Age based) that really matter to me - and so far, not that great :(
     
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  28. pvaudio

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    Excuse me? Who the **** are you? Do I know you?
     
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    Well, I might regret this, but here are some videos from my lessons. These are not match play, but its all I got right now.

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jans0035&search_type=&aq=f

    I know my level pretty well because I have played a lot of league tennis. I'm presently rated 3.5 but hardly ever lose at that level and have been bumped up twice last season (ESR and EOY) before appealing down. This year I had a winning record (11-6) at 4.0 league doubles. So I'm a strong 3.5 to middling 4.0 which sounds funny, but I promise you there is a big overlap. My doubles is a bit stronger than singles - I can play competitively with almost any 4.0 in doubles but the best 4.0s kick my butt in singles.
     
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    I would say you're at 3.5. Only reason not a 4.0 is during the video of your game, your serve return was weak off of a pretty weak serve, and you stood flat footed while your opponent hit his approach.
     
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    And double bagel, if you bothered to take your mouth off your own dick for a second, you'd see that my very first post on this website was a thread asking for advice.
     
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  32. MNPlayer

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    Did you read my post at all? I know my rating, assuming results count at all.
    I guess my winning record at USTA 4.0 league doesn't count? I did lose one match playing #1 singles on a 3.5 team (record of 13-1) in the last two seasons, so I guess you have a point. I'd rather have the results than your rating though.
     
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    By the way, I agree with your criticism of my play. I've been working on better returns and not being flat footed, etc. If you see the newer "volley" video, the main thing I was trying to correct in the 2nd video was better movement, staying lower and splitting. When I watched the 1st volleys it was quite obvious that my movement is not so good. Those problems are much more apparent when I volley since there is so much less time.

    If anybody has other points to make, I would like to hear those too, although I don't know if this is the thread for it. My original reason for posting was just as a reference point since I know my NTRP from playing so much USTA tennis.
     
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    so does that mean I am a 4.0 if I beat 4.0 players although I am a baseliner and have abolutely no net game. Also my serve may be as fast as other 4.0 players but it does not have correct or traditional form. I am a lefty and I do a lot of things differently.
     
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  35. Djokovicfan4life

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    Hmmm. Don't know what brought this on. All I said was WBF is a good player who knows his stuff. Don't remember ever saying I was good.
     
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    One of these days, I would like to meet some of you and head to a tennis event to watch.

    Places like Indian Wells. Maybe John Yandell can meet us there and you all can meet him as well.

    I think it would be real cool to put a face to a name on the boards.

    Many of you put a lot of time and effort into this great sport of ours and your approach to the game is similar to mine, no nonsense.

    It would be fun to hit some balls or hang out at a social gathering like a pub or something and have fun.
     
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  37. VaBeachTennis

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    Maybe it's the camera or camera angle. The one guy in the beginning does look like he's using a Continental grip on his forehand. Also don't forget that this is a match situation and maybe they are trying to play within their game instead of making a bunch UE's and losing.
     
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  38. VaBeachTennis

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    Are those videos from playing a match in a tournament or are they playing points out with your hitting partner?
     
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  39. nytennisaddict

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    It's interesting that folks (and this is not the first time I've heard this, and I used to think this myself), think that pace is the metric used to determine NTRP rating... really placement and general ball control should be the metric. Certainly at the 5.0 level and up, players hit the ball with placement and pace, but at the 3.5/4.0 levels, it's easier to beat a hard hitter who's ball that lands around the service line the majority of the time, than to beat a pusher/moonballer who's ball lands ~4ft from the baseline the majority of the time.

    There's one 4.5 pusher that I know (computer rated) whose serve is at the 3.5 level in terms of pace (and stroke mechanics - but somehow places the ball exceptionally well), groundstrokes look like pathetic pokes that catapault the ball high/deep into the air, and I really love/hate playing him because he's extremely fit and gets alot of balls back (and usually in a place/height that makes me uncomfortable swinging away - deep in the court, or very short angle). He's a great person to practice against (challenges your footwork, patience, etc....), but really makes you look silly if you lose to him (usually followed by the, "eww, you lost to him" comments).
     
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    I would say you should be playing 4.0 then. I'll take match results over form or rating guidelines anyday.
     
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    Nice videos man.
     
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  42. Just to clarify: You= red shorts, Coach=black shorts?

    What camera did you use? Did you use a tripod? I've been wanting to get my footage up, but my current camera is ancient.
     
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    Yes, I am in the red shorts.

    I bought a Flip HD digital camera a little while back for $200 and have been very happy with it. It is small enough to carry around in my tennis bag at all times. I also bought a little mini tripod that works with it. The only problem with recording tennis is getting a wide enough field of view, but that would be the same with any camera I suppose.
     
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    Good point. You can actually extend that upward a good bit. In my experience, pace can be downplayed as a factor all the way up to 5.5. Maybe even higher, not much experience or knowledge beyond that point.

    Anyhow. I've seen older former pro's and similar players with awful-looking strokes walk all over D1 kids and cocky players who expected quick and easy wins. It should also be noted that it can be difficult to determine pace and/or spin in these videos.
     
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    Don't worry, I am not offended at all.
     
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    The underlined is the answer.
     
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