Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by Larrysümmers, Dec 20, 2010.
Wow, some serious internet chest thumping going on here. Can you guys stop arguing about the size of your e-penis and just post some videos already?
(I can get away with this because I'm apparently the only guy on the forum who will admit that my tennis isn't that good - yet).
this thread is not all hat no cattle.... guys post something already..
Danno and I am the kind of guys who are willing to post our vids to provide a few laughs....
I promise I won't laugh LOL
Uh, my tennis isn't that good? Gee, that was easy.
I may shoot a video today if I hit with the machine.
I don't want to go behind the scenes of what is going on between the two of you kids, however, from the edited or unedited videos I have seen of Jolly, he is WAY above the 3.5 level. 3.5 cannot hit those deep shots, those serves, and other shots with the consistency I have seen in the videos. Again, the videos may be heavily edited, but again, I am 99.9% sure that 3.5 or 4.0 would absolutely have no chance against Jolly.
Unless he totally breaks down in the real match, I think drakulies emotions are in the way of the reality here...
This has been discussed to death, but I'll give you a rough outline.
1. J011y's videos are edited--- not that there's anything wrong with that.
2. His match record is not great compared to what you see on his videos.
3. His posts from awhile back suggest that he's a high level player, and Drakulie likes to call him on it.
I for one am glad that J011y posts videos. I could care less about his level of play.
Thanks, I assumed that is what was going on...
He must be falling apart in the match situations -- I have seen a lot of that many times. I am almost the opposite, don't give a crap if it is a warm-up or the finals...
My problem is closing the match -- I get too excited being ahead and close to the end. Recently (in Prague) I have been playing with this great former NCAA women's top player and came to 5:1 in the second set to let it go 5:7... Nevertheless, great experience playing with someone that is well coached...
Tennis_balla vs TonLars
Tony's strokes are better than TB's, and he's match tough to boot. TB's serve would probably hold up nicely, though.
You are absolutely correct. BHBH secured a D1 tennis facility with indoor/outdoor courts. He also secured the men's and women's coaches to give clinics/seminars. Drakulie did an awesome job with an entire agenda as well. I believe he even had someone from TW attending (Drak correct me please if I am wrong). On paper it would have been a great "convention" no matter your "tennis" level. Other TT members volunteered to share expertise on a variety of subjects. Basically there was something for everyone. As expected, with such a large base of posters, there was "debate" on location. From my perspective that took the wind out of the sails for a TT get together to actually happen. Obviously there is no ideal time and location for everyone. It makes sense to me, to pick a time and location and stick to that without debate. There could be regional get togethers or a rotating national get together (different areas of the country each year). In my opinion success will depend on a well organized event from lodging to seminars to actually playing tennis. There is a wealth of knowledge on the boards and getting together annually would be another great way to "share the wealth".
^^^DNShade had also put together some Vegas options for us too. There was also great debate as to when it should take place and then it kind of fizzled.
Wherever and whenever it would take place will require individual(s) to do a lot of work for the logistics. BHBH and I would love to attend and have discussed that we will unless previous work or home commitments prevent us from doing so. I would be happy to do whatever I can to help organize, but it will require a local contact to be most effective.
Jolly gets a lot of grief on here, but he is not a 3.5 level player by any reasonable standard of measure. He was competitive but winless in 5.0 leagues this year (and Eastern section around NYC is not easy). He is a top 10 ranked open tournament player in the section, although that is due a lot to the volume of tournaments he plays, although does have one open tournament win. Plus, being (relatively) from the area, I am familiar with some of the people he has played. I can tell you that Jolly's league and tournament record along with his videos (edited or not) all point to him as a solid 4.5 level USTA player. And the more the USTA adjusts the levels downward, the closer Jolly gets to being a legit 5.0.
Actually, it is posters who are emotionally attached to Jollies very likeable personality that are getting in the way. My assessment was based on facts, and match play. Nothing more. NTRP does not care how hard one hits the ball.
A little over a year ago, a players match play was posted, for posters to offer opinions on what level of play the player in question was. The player, was:
0-8 against 5.0's, had not won a set, and won a total of 9 games out of 96 played. Had been bageled 8 our of 16 sets, and received bread sticks in 5 of the remaining 8 sets.
0-8 againts 4.5's, won one set, and again received plenty of bagels and bread sticks. To add, most of these 4.5's mostly played doubles (not singles).
against 4.0's was 1-2.
against 3.5's, was 1-0 in a 3 set match.
against 3.0's, was 1-0, with one set going to 6-4.
I gave my opinion of 3.5, and it turns out the player in question was/is Jolly. The irony here is, that Jolly had always led posters to believe he was a 5.5-6.0 highly nationally ranked open player, and to add, was belittling 3.5/4.0 players on the board who he felt were beneath him, including stupid remarks like beating them with a broomstick or the trophies they win are nothing more than paperweights, etc, which he has done again here in this thread.
Fact is, regardless of the outcome of a match between jolly and myself, this will not change what his rating was, or my opinion of it. Period.
lastly, I asked him very politely last year in a post, and by sending him a private email, to keep me out of it, which apparently he can't do, as evidenced by the fact that he has brought my name into these discussions again.
Anyway, I look forward to playing him. (regardless of the outcome). And as I said, I'll be more than happy to have a beer and wings with him afterwards.
Hey, I am a computer rated 5.0, and currently #9 in the Eastern section Men's Open, out of 553 ranked players, the highest I was ever ranked was #3.
Feel free to look up my record.
I've been fighting injuries for the past couple years, and then struggled with matchplay once I was healthy again, but now I am playing about as well in real matches as I do in practice.
As far as edited/uneditied videos, here is one of 8 mins of unedited hitting and groundstroke point play, the first few mins are just the warmup, but I start hitting a bit more as it goes on.
That video is about 5-6 months old, I would like to shoot a new one in the next month or so because my FH, and movement I think are getting much better.
My back has been really bad for the past couple months, and I had to withdraw from a tournament in November, but hopefully it clears up and my 2011 campaign is a good one. I'll start a thread to chronicle my exploits, and we will see how it works out.
Anyhow, if you have trouble finding my record on the USTA site, just e-mail me and I will forward it to you.
Nice hitting. Gotta love the depth on your shots.
is your middle initial R?
Ahh J011y, that beeaauuutiful sound I hear at the beginning of your video....there's nothing like the crack of a bat if you ask me!
Thanks for the props.
Magical Kevlar sound, just makes me smile.
Heck, I am smiling now just thinking about it.
granted i am not an expert on ratings rankings etc, i believe you to be a legit 5, i dont see why not according to your record...
pardon me for being arrogantly frank-
major swing flaws on both groundies and volleys - and they boil down to 1 sentence.... you are swinging the wrong racket.
all the effort in every one of your shots are focused on moving that Wilson in your hand - wrong object.
I think if you move your focus to what I call the 'human racket' - the unit made up of your arm and the Wilson, then you will see SIGNIFICANT improvement in all your strokes...
- better unit rotation
- better racket release
- follow thru with more room (thank goodness you have good flexibility, but still, that arm is crashing against the body pretty hard)
- correct muscle groups on volleys (chest/back), instead of the hands pushing the Wilson.
- free-er movement on running shots.
I don't wonna argue against your rating... 5.0 is 5.0... but so is this guy LOL.. his strokes are actually less focused on the graphite racket, but also obvious swing flaws in his ground strokes.
I don't see why "Tony's strokes are better than TB's" though Tony's match could be tough.
^^ I think the guy from hawaii is a falling 5.0 and he has admitted that the USTA is not allowing a bump down to 4.5.
Our club pro self-rated as a 5.0 and has been denied a bump down for the last 2 years even though he only played like 4 matches in two years. He is stuck at 5.0 now since he has been banned from anymore appeals.
Thanks for posting the vid. It's nice to be able to associate some strokes with a username.
This is good stuff, carry on guys....
you want extra butter with that?
I don't think the chest should be the main muscle group on the FH volley.
It should just be hit in front w/the arm behind the racquet handle.
If anything the main muscle group should be the legs as they propel you
forward while the ball is in flight.
His K90 has a boatload of lead on it doesn't it Jolly?
No no, makes the popcorn soggy after a while.
Anyways, seems like this has turned into another Jolly love/hate thread
A post of that guy always shows up in this forum. He isn't or he wouldn't be in Florida. Not even close.
out of curiosity, the "6.5 self rated" in your sig is a joke, right?
yes, it's the leg that drags the upper body and the 'human racket' into the ball, but the chest muscle is what keeps the arm firm in relation to the body..
anyways - that's off topic.... the point is the player in the video is hand-pushing the Wilson into the ball.
agreed - I'd give him a weak 4.0 in Florida... but what do I know.
Everyone is a 4.0 in Florida, even Federer
Good Idea ...
:lol: ^ I can't believe someone took the time to photoshop that for that guy.hahaha
my bad my bad my bad - hands in the cookie jar.. lol
may I use it as my avatar... pleeeeeze.
What is so hard about hitting a topspin serve?
Pretty nice high bounce for that topspin servce, hit with no forward movement and 3/4 speed arm only swing.
What temps do you guys think this was? I know if it's over 75 degrees, my serves seem like A or 5.5 levels at worst, but I don't play when it's over 80 degrees if I can avoid that.
My serves seem to bounce like that (topspin first serves for percentage) at court temps around 55 degrees. Since I don't play in summer, I can't say for warmer temps. At least I don't play summers for the last 20 years.
It was pretty much a done deal a couple of summers back to have a National TTW Meet Up here in Nashvegas, but it lost momentum when people began to complain about everything from the cost of court time (it was going to be app. $8/hr with guaranteed indoor 'back up' in case of bad weather) to the lack of Nashville nightlife (in the case of the latter issue, the posters doing the complaining have clearly not heard what Kid Rock (and others) manage to get into here in Music City, USA.
As for myself, I've historically traveled quite a bit in my work, so the airline miles are stacked and waiting. Just tell me where and when, and I'll do my best to be there.
Hey Mon! How you been? Are you in LA? I really want to get you together with my pal Dan if you live in La-La Land. He's the real deal. And if you are ever in town, please do conact me for a hit. Best, BHBH
constrained by kids' school schedule, but not so much by work.... so depending on the time of the year, will try my best if there is such a meet up.
Also just wanted to say that I've had the pleasure of meeting and hitting with a number of board members over the years, including Samster, Bolt, Saram, TennisinTN, Jo11y, Drak, TonLars, and of course Geoff. Each and everyone of them have been great guys with a lot of game to bring to the court. I hope to meet many, many more over the years and always welcome the chance to play. Best, BHBH
Exactly what I said -- that is NOT a 3.5 or 4.0 level...
As for the scores -- a computer ranking I believe should be acceptable, drakulie can correct me if I am wrong...
Also, the only USTA doubles match I played was at 8.0 level against two guys that did not speak any English and my buddy and I simply could not win a point against them. Turned out that next tournament (Pompano) they played 4.5 level (singles) and no one has taken a GAME from either of them
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