practice match vids--are they 4.0?

Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by tonygao, Sep 4, 2012.

  1. goober

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    Just wanted to point out that his 5.0 rating was from a pretty long time ago. He played almost all doubles in Hawaii section with an ok record. His last singles USTA match was about 10 years ago. He doesn't have any competitive match play record in the last 5-6 years or so.

    I would say it is safe to say that his current rating in Singles is probably not 5.0. He was one at one point. At the time he made the videos, I would have my doubts. If he entered an open tournament stateside that had a big draw (32+) I am not sure how well he would do.

    I don't see what the big deal is- someone asked for an opinion on video ratings and what did you expect ? Everyone to agree? Like I said earlier that videos for rec players in the 3.5-4.5 range don't mean that much since their are so many other factors that go into winning than how you look on camera. We are all making a guess on limited information. Calling these players 3.5 and 4.0 is no more being a "hero" than calling them definite 4.5s or whatever is it?
     
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  2. Rozroz

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    ho, sorry. didn't know about this hi10spro business. i don't really get it..
    they have many videos, don't they?.. so what should i make of them?
    don't want to derail but i'll be glad to be told how to look for 'legit' ntrp video levels. this is very interesting.

    anyway, what i DID see in the OP videos is mainly the things I MYSELF lack, which is strategy. i may have decent technique and good leg work, but i just cannot get myself to THINK about strategy. only when i control the match and i have 'time' to think about it. but mostly i'm too busy on producing deep effective shots, otherwise better players just eat me... maybe that's what 4.5+ levels are all about, not the 'looks' but the game plan?
     
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  3. 0d1n

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    There is no big deal. I really don't care what rating somebody gives some random men playing tennis on youtube.
    My problem is with statements that are not supported by videos, arguments, or even something that can pass for "game analysis"/obvious tennis knowledge. My problem is with lack of logic.
    NTRP rating threads seem to gather the kind of crowd that one usually finds in the general pro discussion section in Federer versus Nadal threads (i.e. kids with no critical thinking, or adults who know little about tennis but have strong opinions about everything tennis related, starting with how Murray sucks at playing tennis, and Nadal is a pusher...or vice-versa).

    I repeat, "I would beat them and I'm a 3.5"...or "all the 4.0's in my area would destroy them" are not arguments...they are just stupid statements from people who don't know what they are actually seeing. On video OR in real life.
    These are the same kind of people who think their buddy who plays 4.5 would take sets from Radwanska, who's top 5 in the WTA...while those same 4.5 buddies would probably be beaten by retired Martina Hingis, drunk and playing with her left hand.

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    P.S. I agree that the hi10spro guy's current rating might very well be significantly below 5.0, but my point was that there was a debate about his rating a long time ago, statements were being made about him being a 3.5...etc (everything that one can see in this thread as well), and yet, it was proven with facts...that he did in fact play 5.0.
    Yes...now...many years later he may not play competitively anymore...and he may not be a 5.0 anymore, but that's irrelevant to the heated discussions in the past that I was mentioning.
     
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  4. Sky_Boy

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    1) What twisted logic?
    2) "I'm playing 3.5 and these guys are definitely not better than me, or hitting harder than me...or whatever", is not an argument, it is just an idiotic statement from delusional 3.0's (at best). "4.0's in my area would absolutely destroy this guy" is not proof either. Come up with something better, and I'd be happy to be proven "wrong".

    I didn't even mention about this once in my posts.. r u kidding me really? And beside that is the judgement those posters made.. they r definately entitled to their opinions..have u seen 4.0s in their area? No? well they have, and to them that is the judegement.....PROOF? sure if u going to sponsor flying their 4.0s 3000 miles down to play, U ARE GOING TO GET ALL THE PROOF U WANT..

    The whole issue is about NTRP rating something that is pretty subjective.. not everyone is going to agree on the exact same rating that is for certain.. the main thing that i brought up is with his playing style his limiting his ability to improve

    You reacted badly and very agressive from posters that do not agree with your so called flawless ratings.. i going make the assumption that it's either your character or your **** at your life.. if it's the former , then goodluck having no-little friends.. if it's the latter, maybe u would want to get that in order first before making yourself sound stupid on a forum
     
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  5. Sky_Boy

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    The reasons why hi10spro drew so much criticism is becuz all the matches that he posted was singles.. had he posted videos with that rating on doubles, i believe criticism would be lesser.. he maybe rated 5.0 once long time ago but due to age rating will never stay the same permanently.. he refused to lower his rating..

    Same as odin.. over inflated ego and very aggressive replies to all that disagree with him over his rating
     
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  6. 0d1n

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    Amigo, I didn't address just your remarks in that post, I addressed some other statements made by other people as well. If you read the thread you might even figure out who made those statements. I just couldn't be bothered to quote everybody and address every inane statement made in this thread individually.
    The twisted logic remark was referring to your off topic assumptions about their potential for progress, when you didn't even provide proof (video?) for your ON TOPIC statements...i.e. their current rating.
    Instead of debating endlessly ... come up with video of 4.0's and 4.5's and tell me why you think those 4.0's and 4.5's are clearly better than the guys in the op.
    I did that. I provided video of 4.0's and said I think they would get beaten by both guys in the op, and also provided video of 4.5 play and said my opinion is that the guy in dark from the OP is every bit as good as those 4.5's, hence he would be competitive with them, hence he is a 4.5, and provided the reasoning behind my statements.
    Goober at least addressed that even if he disagreed with my assumptions (which is fine). You on the other hand just keep on talking without backing up your talk.
    Pretty please with sugar on top, can you kindly debate that instead of making assumptions about my character...my life...and the availability of friends around me ??
    Your off-topic blabbering is getting worse with these statements you are making about me.
    I may have sounded as an ego driven brat...who values his opinion about some irrelevant NTRP ratings on an internet forum more than he should...but if somebody "sounded stupid" between the two of us...it is not me. Perhaps you should review your posts in this thread...and then review mine, even you might change your opinion about who sounds stupid...me or you.
    If you can't handle that level of critical thinking...get some outside help, or go back to school until you manage to "improve the rating" of your current self :)).
     
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  7. anubis

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    Od1n:

    This is an internet forum, not a "debate club". The burden of proof falls on no one and people here are free to use whatever means they wish to argue their point. Yelling at them and calling their statements "idiotic" and "stupid" will only make you unpopular, no matter how "correct" you are.

    Yes, people here use logical fallacies all of the time. But so what? This is the internet. Have you been to 4chan or Reddit lately? This shouldn't be news to you.

    You can "fight the good fight" all you want, but it's "better manners" to simply disagree with someone and leave it be. Say your piece and move on, but don't call their statements (for all intents and purposes) "worthless" just because they haven't offered the precise amount of proof that you are looking for. That borders on an ad hominem attack, and you probably know better than that. We are all entitled to our opinions here.

    Earlier, I gave my opinion on what the OP's vids contained. I thought they weren't 4.0's. Am I wrong? Perhaps. But it's a logical fallacy on your part to assume that merely the simpleness of my sentence is equal to the amount of thought that went into it. Did you ever stop to consider that I actually used a bit of "critical thinking" to come up with my statement? Is it fair to assume that I used no logic at all? I don't think you can deduce that much simply by my statement alone. I think you need more evidence than that.

    Thank you for your time.
     
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