Prediction About Federer

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  1. McEnroeisanartist

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    Anyone else think Federer will lose to Del Potro in his third round robin match in the semifinals and then lose in the semifinals to Murray or Djokovic, a la 2009, where he lost to Del Potro in the third round robin match and then Davydenko in the semifinals?
     
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  2. ditli04

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    Maybe. His first match against Tispy was good, the second (today) was won in straight sets but was horrible. If he plays like today, there is no way to beat Delpo and win a semifinal, if he plays like in his first match he is my favorit ...
     
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  3. kalyan4fedever

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    There will be sure decline in feds performance as the tournament progresses, so i have to agree with op there
     
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  4. The Bawss

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    Fed will avenge his Basel loss. Look what happened last time Del Potro dared win a final against the GOAT. Then he is pretty much even money against both Djokovic or Murray.
     
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  5. zagor

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    Well of course, what else can be expected from an old man such as Fed? He could get away with sloppy/subpeak/uninspired tennis against his pigeon Ferrer but Nole/Murray are sure to punish such lousy form.
     
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    I have said that Fed will lose the semifinals here at the WTF in multiple threads. Probably will lose the Delpo match too since he has qualified anyway.
     
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    How could he lose in two Semi-Finals in the same year?
     
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  8. kalyan4fedever

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    Dont call him old zagor, it hurts us fed fans (old reminds us or atleast me of the reality that retirement is getting closer and an era will be over). Fed will be old in 2016 when he hangs his racquet till then he is young.
     
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  9. AnotherTennisProdigy

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    He has a better chance than ferrer.
     
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  10. zagor

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    Bwahahaha, thanks for the laugh :)

    No way, Fed's an ancient relic already, he can barely move on court, has a chronic back injury, isn't mentally focused etc. it's a bit embarrassing for the tour that he had so much success this year despite that, weak era I guess?
     
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  11. veroniquem

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    As long as he loses, I don't care to whom lol. Except that with a draw like his, he would have to make outlandish efforts to lose. This is a draw that gives him the title giftwrapped.
    As I said before, Murray and Djoko have to spend maximum energy in the RR while Fed can sleepwalk through his group and start waking up for the last 2 matches. Given that this is his best 3 set event on the tour to boot, hard to see how he's gonna botch the opportunity. Thank you ATP.
     
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    Not that unlikely, but wouldn't be the first time if he stepped it up all of a sudden.

    Serve must be the biggest worry for him so far. Also I feel the (slowish) court and the (heavyish) balls might be bugging him more than previous years.
     
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    Very profound!
     
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  14. cc0509

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    Don't worry you can rest easy, I don't think Fed is going to win the event this time. I think Djokovic is going to take it. I hope I am wrong.
     
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    What does it matter? It's just an exo.
     
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  16. Gonzo_style

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    In that SF Davy beat Federer first time, it was a big surprise, possible defeat in the semifinals against Murray will be no surprise.
     
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    HAHAHA, thanks for the laugh. Everyone who had a good hardcourt season this year is playing here. How is there a tougher draw? He'll most likely go through Murray and Djokovic to win. If that's giftwrapped, your precious buttpicker has never even won a Slam that wasnt
     
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  18. veroniquem

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    I don't see Fed losing to Djoko indoor especially since he'll be very fresh. (Djoko has never beaten Fed at WTF by the way). The only guy who could possibly hurt Fed at WTF is Murray but a- it's not even a given Murray will qualify at this point, b- Murray has been consistently disappointing since his big win at USO (where he was lucky enough not to have to play Fed/Djoko back to back): counterperf in Tokyo, last minute withdrawal in Basel, embarrassing early loss in Paris, falls short in Shanghai. It is very much in the air whether he will have the mental fortitude against Fed with the extra pressure of the home crowd and the extreme difference in the draw. I know he did it on grass but his current form seems a notch lower now than it was then and Fed will be considerably less "out of gas" than he was at the Olympics.
     
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    Federer is in a group with players who are on a hot streak

    - Ferrrer - had a 500 and a 1000 win
    - Del Potro - 3 consecutive tournament wins

    not like the choke group A

    Tsonga - losing to Klizan and a shell of a player that he normally is

    Murray - bad streak losing match points, losing to Janowicz.
     
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  21. Sartorius

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    This might be the umpteenth time you post something like this: laying down reasons why Fed is "likely" or "advantageous " to win a tournament, in a rather bitter manner I have to say, and in blatantly wrong fashion too at times. I think it's very easy to make cases against Fed, or anyone in the draw.

    And really, giggled at the "Fed will be very fresh against Djoko" line. Federer has looked anything but fresh since the first round of Shanghai. He might still play very well if he gets that far, that's another story.
     
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  22. Gonzo_style

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    If Murray and Djokovic plays again in final, this post is going to sound stupid
     
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    hmmmm....:p
     
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    Djoker/Murray haven't qualified for semis yet, only Fed has.
     
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    Yes, but you are forgetting something, we don't know which version of Federer is going to show up. It could be ******** or Fedgod. Listen, I hope you are right, but I just have a bad feeling Djokovic is going to win this one even though I also know rationally that one can never underestimate Federer on an indoor HC. We will see.
     
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  26. batz

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    Are you taking the **** mate? Roger is 28-3 against the 3 guys he did get drawn against and has never lost to 2 of them.

    Roger is 27-18 against the guys he could have got and has lost to all 3 of them at least 3 times. He has also lost his last 5 sets to Murray without even making 5 games.

    Now I don't have a problem with this - the draw is just the draw - either Roger or Noel could have had this draw, but please - spare us the 'Roger had a tough draw' bollocks - he got the draw he would have picked.
     
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    Federer hasn't 3-peated at this event and while it's not an excuse in any way, I'm not so sure he comes into this event with the same motivation as usual.

    2010 - won the AO that year, but then got beat a LOT... wanted to get some revenge!

    2011 - first slamless year in a long time, had some rough losses... wanted to get some revenge!

    2012 - won wimbledon, got his #1, won plenty of other tournaments... got respect back... motivation? eh... i don't see it.

    he might win, he might lose... i'm not sure he's going to really put his body on the line for this one.
     
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  28. vllaznia

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    Murray also has lost the last 4 sets 63 61 64 62 at their 2 WTF matches in London , isn't that right batz?
     
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  29. CDNguy87

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    I think this is pretty accurate. Motivation is a huge factor for these end-of-season tournaments, much moreso than the Slams which are about physical fitness and recent form. I really don't see Federer repeating here for these reasons, especially if he needs to beat Murray & Djoker in back-to-back matches for the Semi and Final.

    In 2010 and 2011 he was coming off very disappointing seasons that gave him hunger....here, he could lose in the Semis and still be very content with his season.

    Also, I'm not sure Federer's draw is as great as you all are making it out to be for 2 reasons:

    1) He's in the group that has no days off between the last RR match and the Semi. In other words, he'll need to play Saturday, Sunday, and Monday if he wants to win the Championship. In contrast, his SF opponent will have Saturday off to rest and prepare. That can definitely be important (for instance, last year Federer and Tsonga seemed to benefit from being in the group that had the day off).

    2) Even though he had easier RR opponents, this means in all likelihood he'll have a much tougher SF opponent. If him and Djoker had switched places, he'd be looking at a probable SF match-up with someone like Ferrer or Delpo as opposed to Murray. I'm sure he would have taken a rough RR group over a tough SF opponent anyday (especially since he'll have virtually no recovery time between the Semi and Final, whereas RR matches are only every other day).
     
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    Exposed at last.
     
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    I think he'll beat Del Potro and lose to Murray in the semifinals.
     
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    Indeed it is mate - as is the 8-10 head to head.
     
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    If the favourites win out for the rest of the RR matches, the Semis would be Djoker/Ferrer and Fed/Murray. In that scenario, I could see Djoker coasting over Ferrer in straights while Fed and Murray would probably engage in a very physical, hard-fought, tight 3-setter. Even if Fed got through that, he'd be playing the next day against a much-better rested Djoker in the Final, where I honestly don't think he'd stand much of a chance in this scenario.
     
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  34. jjermann

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    No way he loses to Del Potro, its shameful even think about that option.
     
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    I'd never write Roger Federer off - but if he wants to win this he may need to play Delpo, possibly Murray and possibly Noel on 3 consecutive days.

    I think the guys in group A have an advantage in this respect.
     
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  36. veroniquem

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    Er, I've never claimed to be a Fed fan, you could at least give that to me... (unlike some other posters- cough, cough- who fool around about who they support just for the kick of it. Not you, but definitely some people...)
     
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  37. vllaznia

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    Also one other thing in 2010 Murray had also won the Toronto masters and Shanghai masters finals quite easily but in the RR match Federer won 64 62 so do not look to much into the head to head after all Federer won the three most important matches they played.
     
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    Then it's for other reasons than tennis because he WAS super fresh in Shanghai tennis-wise (played nothing since quarter of USO other than 2 DC matches) and he skipped Paris + did have 2 favorable first rounds in London, so, if that doesn't make him fresh, what would?
     
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    I'm not quite sure what your point is mate - none of this gets us away from the fact that Roger would prefer to play someone with whom he has a 13-0 record than someone with a 8-10 record. I don't think this is a particularly contentious point.

    You seem to be arguing over who would win if Roger plays Murray in the semis - I don't think I've expressed a view on that. If you're asking for my view I'd make it 50:50.
     
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  40. RF20Lennon

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    Federer will be the only player to lose twice in the semi finals in the same year at WTF GOAT!!!
     
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  41. vllaznia

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    Of course Federer would prefer to play Ferrer if you watched the match even against a terrible Federer , David did not have a chance to win no one is arguing that, my point was the comment you wrote that Federer lost his 5 sets not being able to get to 5 games as if Federer would have no chance vs Murray if they will play at WTF.
     
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    Roger has lost his last 5 sets/ 2 matches to Murray without making 5 games - this just adds more weight to my argument that the notion that Roger got a tough draw at the WTF was complete arsegravy. It was not intended to imply that the pattern would continue. As I already said, if they meet in the semis I see it as a coin toss. Roger likes the 02 and its bounce - anyone can see that.
     
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    No doubt that Federer got the easiest draw possible for him. If they meet in the semis i see Roger as a favorite because of their last 2 meetings in 02, just as i would see Murray favorite if they meet in Shanghai 2013.
     
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    Fair enough mate - not an unreasonable position to take.
     
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    That's petty. And weak. Bringing up an almost even head-to-head, ooh how compelling. You disappoint me batz by stooping to the same low as NSK.

    Federer is going to win this WTF, nobody else has a chance, especially not Nadal who is at home eating tortillas. How you like that, veroniquem?
     
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    No - it was completely relevant to the point I was making - that Roger had an excellent draw that was much easier than it could have been. That statement is predicated partly on Murray's head to head.

    That said, I truly couldn't give a feck what you think about me.
     
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    Do we decide what is a tough draw based on the match ups alone and not based on the form ?
     
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  48. batz

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    We do if that form has had little or no bearing on the match ups. Ferrer can win all the tournaments in the world, but it doesn't have much bearing on whether or not he is going to beat Roger - unless he was beating Roger on the way to winning those tournaments.

    Ferrer has been in great form recently, but I still wish Murray could have drawn him or Delpo rather than Berdych - because of their previous respective records.
     
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  49. Prisoner of Birth

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    Honestly, the only head-to-head that matters is 17-1. Or 6-0, considering this is the WTF. Either way, it's about time Murray won this one. I think he's the best indoor player right now, if he doesn't choke.
     
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  50. Prisoner of Birth

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    Federer loves this tournament. More so than probably any current player. I'm pretty sure he is just as motivated as ever, as I believe he's really eyeing that #1 rank post-AO. If he loses, it's because he was beaten by the better player on the day, not because he isn't motivated.
     
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