Predictions on Nationals

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  1. New Kid On the Block

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    What does everyone think the results of Nationals will be????????


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    5.0 Texas Southern
    4.5 No Cal Mid Atlantic
    4.0 Mid Valley Eastern
    3.5 Carribean Southern Cal
    3.0 Florida Northern
     
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  2. JavierLW

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    I have no idea since I dont know any of the other sections.

    So you think the Carribean and SoCal have bigger Sandbaggers at 3.5, then the "SuperTeam" from the Mid_West I take it?

    It's hard to imagine Northern wins at anything. I guess I havent looked this up, but have they even been in the top 4 in 3.0? I suppose they have to sandbag even more than the Mid_West does so maybe they'll been catching up.
     
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    Pretty much any team from anywhere can win it depending on how stacked they are with Sandbaggers. A team from Idaho got to the finals of 5.0 several years ago. It really has nothing to do with the level of tennis in the area as far as I can see.
     
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    Well, in a fair and just world, that would be true. Any section should be able to win it. (because we are playing in skill levels, there is no reason that the best team from Puerto Rico should always beat the best team from Minnesota)

    I still think though that we are seeing this happen more in the last 2-3 years, before that, there was a definate pecking order between sections.
     
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    I was on the 3.5 mens team from Illinois that went to Sectional a few weekends ago. All I can say is that the team that made it through to Nationals has at least 2 players that are playing WAY out of level. I'm shocked (although I guess I shouldn't be) that these guys got as far as they did without being DQ'd. They are going to do a lot of damage at Nationals, but the good news is they definitely won't be 3.5's next season...
     
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    Yes as long as what they say is true. (they cant appeal this time)

    Did one of these two players happen to play singles? They hid him.

    They only used him for a default, and then in #3 doubles where I feel they threw a set against to below average 3.5 players. (2 matches total)

    Then when playoff time came he was playing #1 Singles already.

    It looks like the captain has been taking steps to burn down his rating as well. He was an appealee this year and was tearing up 4.0 earlier in the year but suddenly had some really lackluster results near the end of the year once it was apparent that they clinched it. (and that they werent winning 4.0 which they had a good chance of doing as well at least the 4.0 team he was on)
     
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    Yes, any section can win it. The past five years in mens 3.5 and 4.0, there have been five different sections win. In mens 4.5, there have been 4 different winners. Only So Cal won twice. However, almost all of the winners have been from the South or near-South, such as Florida, SoCal, Texas, Southern, MV, Hawaii, and Mid-Atlantic.

    I think a big factor is the weather. The northern sections may not be used to 90-degree tennis like the southern sections are. This year it may even be worse. Arizona has had 29 days of at least 110 degrees this summer. Maybe by nationals it will cool off to 100!
     
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  8. JavierLW

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    I think just playing outside is a factor. In a lot of Northern Cities, tennis is an indoor sport only played by people who can afford club memberships. Your better players are usually from that environment and the rest of the players while they may be at the same level can sometimes be a step behind because they dont play all winter.

    I imagine in the South, you have a higher quanity of players to choose from that play year round since they likely can play for free. (except maybe in the summer when it's too hot, but your summer is only 3 months long, some areas in the North really only have 3 good months of tennis weather)
     
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    Can you elaborate on why you think some of these teams will win? I know the Texas 4.5 team is really good. The Carribean 3.0 team is always really good. NorCal is pretty good at most levels.
     
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    Is NE a team? I'll bet on them for 4.5's.
     
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    The guys that self rated themselves as 2.0's are a joke. One was 7-2 and the other 11-1. The appear to have pretty good singles players which are a key to success in league tennis.
     
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    Who is playing against whom ?/:confused:
     
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    I would say Missourri Valley will win the 5 0 and Texas will win 4.5 and 4.0. I have seen some of the guys playing 5.0 they ran through the section they will be tough just my thoughts ...
     
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  15. Raiden.Kaminari

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    I have to agree that the 2.0 self-rate appears pretty bad. However, if you look at the USTA National database, they appear to be 3.5 self-rates. Was there some kind of database error, or form error entry? I'll have to contact NorCal about it.

    It appears the Westlake team was destined for Nationals, but somehow lost on 8/26. Futhermore, they appear to have split their doubles pairs on the last day. (I really like how NorCal organizes it's website, it makes analysis easy).

    Looking at the scores, the Westlake team appears to have had the stronger team.

    Both Westlake singles players have good scores.

    The #2 singles on 8/25 easily beat players that the team that was posted about either lost to in 3 sets, or beat in 3 sets. How did he lose the second set 0-6? Was he managing his scores?

    Reviewing the other matches, I have to wonder why many matches weren't won in straight sets. The Westlake doubles #1 and #2 won their first sets easily on 8/26, but somehow lost the second set and third set tie breaker. And in other matches, they appear to have taken one of the sets easily, and probably dominated in tie breaker.
     
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    I was just in Las Vegas for a conference, followed by a customer visit to the Phoenix area afterwards. I thought I was going to die.

    I'm from SoCal. Since weather will be a factor, I'll vote for the teams that are used to the hot weather, like Florida, Texas, Southern, Hawaii, and Carribean. I haven't checked if the desert teams won this year, so I'm crossing out the SoCal teams this year.
     
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  17. max8176

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    The Westlake 3.5 is actually my good friend team and I was there to cheer on the team at Sectionals. They are very sad that they lost on the last day and their chance to Nationals but they also know they have tried their hardest and worked their butts off for the season and should have no regret.

    As you can see the records on Norcal website, half of the players on the Wallenberg team are self-rated players. In fact, they have two players who have excellent records but self-rated as 2.0 (either they are really naive about rating or they are thinking ahead to try to beat the system). They have been moved up to 3.5s probably someone file a grivence on them or is adjusted by Norcal. While this sounds very suspicious but it's impossible to prove the Wallenberg team is up to no good. One thing for sure is this is all sounds very familiar after last year 4.0 Nationals and two years ago the Backesto park team incident as most off the players on this team are also Vietnamese (not to say that all Vietnamese cheats but the incidents really made other honest Vietnamese even Asians look bad). The fact is this team has already caught the eyes of many team captains and players in the Bay Area.

    Before Sectionals my friend has already received many calls from captains/ players and warned us the Wallenberg team will do anything to win even they pretend to be honest and nice people. In fact, my friend with the warnings, has asked all players playing the Wallenberg team on 8/25 to call a line-judge if they are in a super-tiebreaker.

    My friend team won two out of the three doubles and one of the singles as they were ahead 3-1. As the team already won by a score of three matches, my friend singles match was the last match to finish. He squeezed out the first set with a score of 6-4 but he lost the second set with the score of 0-6 as the Wallenberg player gained momentum while my friend lost a bit of concentration. Again I can bet on my reputation that my friend did not lose the second set on purpose because he is just simply the most honest player in the area. He was well known by many captains in the Bay Area because he is a very good player and has tremendous respect for his opponent and the game of tennis (his 3.5 team won Nationals last year). The match came down to a super-tiebreaker which my friend had an early lead but was eventually lost 8-10.

    The whole team was very excited with their win over the Wallenberg team which has a bad reputation among the peers. Unfortunately, the Wallenberg team was such sore losers and is dishonable and evil that they decided to file a grivence on my friend claiming he tanked his match. My friend was stunned because he is simply one of the nicest guys around. In addition, the Wallenberg team is so sneaky they waited until all of us left then file the grivence. They are so coward that they did not file the grivence when my friend was still around at the site truly reflected their true nature.

    While my friend has contemplated also file a grivence back because the Wallenberg team has illegally coached their players in Vietnamese (the co-captain while looked like Philipino, she is actually Vietnamese and understand all too well what the spectators are talking to the players during each set), he also did not want to escalated the situation which will give a bad impression to the Norcal officials that Asian players are trouble makers. Eventually my friend did not file that grivence.

    The next day with the grivence still in everyone minds, the Westlake players did not play very well. In fact, my friend team lost all three doubles (two in super-tiebreaker and one in two close sets) though they won the singles. After the team who would be representing Norcal to Nationals was annoucned, the Wallenberg team suddenly decided to drop the grivence. At that moment it is clear that the grivence is a shameless mind game. Another friend of the Westlake team which is an experienced captain also pointed out that the Wallenberg team filed the grivence to protect their own player from possibly getting a three-strikes at Sectionals. Again, instead of showing great sportsmanships and accepting consequences that their player might be DQ because he is an out-of-level player, they showed their cowardly nature again and put the blame on someone else. Again, just want to remind everyone that my friend definitely did not tank the match because there was a dispute line call at the super-tiebreaker that proved my friend really want to win the match. At 7-6 my friend called a ball out that the Wallenberg player claimed was in. They argued for over five minutes on the courts but my friend refused to give in. In fact, a referree was eventually called and stayed or the rest of the match. If my friend really wanted to lose the match he would have given his opponent the point.

    So the Sectioanls has ended for almost a week. My friend has moved on and forgot their bad performance on the last day of the competition. However, it is truly amazing to learn that until this day the Wallenberg team still shamelessly believe they did not do a dishonable and evil thing at Sectioanls. It truly unbelievable that their players can continue to talk about their team great sportsmanship but they pulled a quick one on another team at Sectionals.
     
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  18. tour6

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    indiana team ******* 5.0
     
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    It's really interesting that he picked Northern women 3.0s - I was the tournament coordinator for 3.0 women's areas so I saw the section champ team there. They were good, but they were definitely 3.0s - no 3.5s on that team. They lost twice to the same team during the regular season, and they lost to a team from Bismarck, ND at sections and only beat them out by a matches won tiebreaker. The team from Bismarck barely made it to sections themselves. What I'm saying was that there was a lot of parity in Northern 3.0 women's, and I would imagine they wouldn't take the entire thing at Nationals.
     
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  20. Raiden.Kaminari

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    You need to get your facts straight, as well as not contradict yourself.

    I did some research. NorCal uses a different self-rating web form than Nationals. The players from Wallenberg contacted NorCal and reported the 2.0 self-rated issue. Apparently, the menu was a pull down instead of a button selection, something that is supposed to be corrected now since NorCal had a few 2.0 self-rated players this past season.

    Regarding the Sectional grievance filed by the Wallenberg team against the captain of Westlake for deliberately losing the second set 0-6. The second set loss was witnessed by many people besides the Westlake and Wallenberg teams and their supporters. The statements submitted indicated that in the second set, the Westlake captain did not do his "best effort to win" after receiving a signal from the Westlake supporters. Witnesses state they saw a severe drop, and near "goof-off" play by the Westlake captain. Statements such as "here you go," "oops, I missed" were further described by the witnesses (some of the women's team supporters playing at the time also submitted the testimony).

    Contrary to your statement, the grievance was announced and submitted by the Wallenberg team while Westlake was present. Grievances are supposed to be received within 30 minutes of a Sectional match being completed. Westlake apparently threatened to submit a grievance, but never did. It would have been interesting if it did, based on your racial undertone. I need to further point out that you even contradicted yourself in your statement:

    Even though I am from SoCal, I was present. I was there to watch my wife's friend's women 2.5 team. I had forgotten about the controversy and the details until you posted about it. Both teams walked passed where I was sitting.

    I was present when the captain of Wallenberg announced to the captain of Westlake immediately after the match his intent to file the grievance. I even saw that some of the Westlake players tried to mitigate the situation (because the players left with the Westlake group).

    As you stated, the Westlake captain did indeed try to win the third super tie break set. However, the level of play he demonstrated was completely different than when he played in the second set. Had I been an official at the NorCal Sectionals, I would have defaulted the Westlake player under the Point Penalty System for attempting to win by a particular margin. Furthermore, if I recall correctly, it was a Wallenberg player that went to retrieve a USTA roving umpire first to monitor the second set (he arrived late at 0-5, at the end of the sixth game), and he was present for the super tie breaker.

    You really need to be thanking Wallenberg on behalf of your friend. The Wallenberg team was advised by the grievance committee to drop the grievance since Westlake had lost their bid to Nationals. Had Wallenberg continued with the grievance, the sanctions against the Westlake captain would have been severe. You may not know that Wallenberg had witnesses from Johnson Ranch and Clubsport Pleasanton. If their sportsmanship was so bad, why would so many people from competing teams be willing to testify against Westlake? Do you realize the impact to Westlake if I (and others) had also stepped forward as neutral witnesses?

    My advise to you now is to drop your smear campaign, like Wallenberg was advised to drop their grievance. If you want, I can ask Nationals to look into this particular incident. But I promise, it won't be pleasant for the Westlake team.
     
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  21. max8176

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    I think you need to get your fact straight. First of all, like you said you are not from Norcal so you have no idea what was going on in the local scene.

    Whether they made a mistake or not is irrelevant because they have 2 self-rated 2.0 players along with half-team self-rated players do raise suspicion.

    Your comment about whether someone plays his best or not is very subjective as you did not know this player either personally or professional nor you do not even know the style this player plays. Also, you based your comments on witnesses account is also very irresponsible as you probably have not watched this match. In fact, most of the Wallenberg supporters did not pay attention to this match until the final doubles match is over because it decided the outcome of the tie. Have these "witnesses" you claimed also told you about the funny noises that the Wallenberg player made nor they told you that he actually talked loudly to himself during the middle of each point? In fact it was one of the reason why the Westlake player had lost concentration because the Wallenberg player would also grunt purposedly after the ball landed on the other side of the net. Moreover, I am so sure that the "here you go" or "ops, I missed" were frustrated responses to the distractions cause by the Wallenberg player. In all, I think your conclusion about the match is narrow-minded as you have not hear both sides of the story and simply "you are not at the match."

    Actually contrary to your statement, the grievance was not even turned in to Norcal officials until we have left. Of course you do not know that because you are not on either the Wallenberg team or the Westlake team and again you based your comments on third person opinion which might be bias. The fact is I had told the Captain several times to stay put and wait for until the grievance to be turned in and Norcal has notify us about the grievance submittal before we leave. At the time when I told the Captain to stay put it was already more than 15 minutes after their match is over. Fortunately for you, you are not the one who has to drive back to the tournament site after miles away and wait for my friend (the co-captain) to get a copy of the grievance. Regarding Westlake grievance against Wallenberg, we had contemplated in filing it but we had never threaten in submitting it. There is a different in contemplated and threaten:

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    We had never verbally suggested to the Wallenberg team we will file a grievance on them so it is not threaten but instead it was one of the players of the Wallenberg team earsdropping on our team discussion which is meant for no one else except the players and close friends on the Westlake Team. I dont know what do you mean for racial undertone, but the race issue will not be brought if they coach their players illegally in English rather than Vietnamese. It seems like you are the one playing the race card here.<<<

    You are absolutely right. You are present at the tournament but you are not watching the match.

    I think you are absolutely wrong and perhaps confused here. The captain was only informed there will be a grievance file against from the opposing team when one of the Westlake players talked to one of the players from the Wallenberg team and found out when they small talk. I am sure when someone wants to file a grievance on someone they are not going to tell them immediately without consulting with their own team. USTA league is a team sports!!

    It sounds like your opinions are subjected to a wide degree of ranges in direct to the comments that I made. Now when I told you that the Westlake player refused to give up a point and you claimed that the player indeed try to win and my comment is absolutely right? For a person who claimed to almost forget about this incident at the Sectionals you sure seemed to remember the details very clearly. Also, I am sure that even if you are a Norcal official you wont be able to DQ anyone because you have absolutley no proofs. Lastly, please get your facts correctly before making any claims, the referree did not enter the court and overlook the match until the Wallenberg player had continued to argue for a call (for almost 5 mins) that is both clearly out and already made by the Westlake player on his side of the court. In fact, it was the Westlake player who asked the near-by referree to come in and overlook the match because the Wallenberg player wont move on. When the referre finally came on to the court, the Wallenberg player now argued with him about the call. The referree got upset and told the Wallenberg player he should move on because he is delaying the match. The referree is definitely mad because I could hear what he told the Wallenberg player and I was at the top of the steps and it was pretty noisy. Again, the referree was not there for the whole super-tiebreaker. He was only there for the last 4-5 points.

    To be honest, I think your comments are baseless and you have no idea of what you are talking about. I am so sure that my friend would like to defend himself in the presence of the grievance committee because he did nothing wrong. He was actually looking forward to it. In fact, I am so sure that Norcal will be upset at a pointless grievance because it has wasted their valuable time. Even there are witnesses who will make accusation, again, whether a player plays like very well or very bad is very subjective. Norcal is not going to waste their time and make a controversal mistake at Sectionals without concrete proofs. It's just not good publicity for them. Also, it seemed very logical for Norcal to suggested Wallenberg to drop the grievance because it will make them look really bad if they are probably going to rule with the Westlake team. Imagine a National bound team file a bogus grievance on another team just not a very presentable image for Norcal at Nationals. Not to mention this is just simply bad sportsmanships. One thing you probably did not know and I am sure no one will tell you is that after the Sectionals winner is announced, couple of the Wallenberg players had gone up to this so-called match-tanker and apologized to him about the grievance incident the day before. Why would they apologize if they think they have legitimate reason to file the grievance? Dont tell me it's good sportsmanship because that reason is a bit weak.

    Now this is a threat!! To be honest I dont care what you do as I am not even on the team. While I have to admit I make mistakes but I do have a little integrity left to defend what is right and what is wrong. Unfortunately, I definitely cannot say the same for some people.
     
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    Wow, This topic must of touched a nerve. I dont think i have ever seen post this long. I think it doesnt become a post anymore, it might be officially a blog. Although i dont know, somebody better look it up for me in the dictonary.

    It will be really fun to see the results in nationals, i guess nobody really knows how anyone will do, but it should be interesting. Just wanted to get some fun conversation going.
     
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    NKOTB, sorry for the long post! HAHA...
    Yeah, I think it will be interesting at Nationals with many good teams advancing. One thing I know for sure is that it will be fierce competition. I guess everyone has their favorite to win!
     
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    Sounds like you know the guys I'm talking about. Actually, our #1 singles player came within 2 points in the 3rd set tiebreak of beating this guy. Our player has been bumped to 4.0 already in the early-start ratings, so this guy certainly won't be a 3.5 after Nationals.

    The captain is the other guy. We also noticed that he was very successful in 4.0 matches, which was one of the reasons I was surprised that he was still playing 3.5 tennis deep in the playoffs. I had the unfortunate task of having to play him at Indianapolis...I usually do pretty well against 4.0 competition myself, but this doubles team destroyed us. The result was the same as when I played doubles in an Open level tournament a couple summers ago against two 5.0 teaching pros. Definitely some ratings manipulation going on here.
     
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  25. Raiden.Kaminari

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    I posted the following in the other thread you started.

    So far, you got the 5.0 women correct, and almost got the 4.5 women correct as well. Pretty impressive. I guess that's why you're going to Las Vegas (good luck when you're out there!).

     
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    Speaking as someone very familiar with norcal tennis in general, and one of these teams in particular - there really isn't any moral high ground in this argument. It's pretty much sandbaggers A vs. sandbaggers B, and I guarantee you that reading about sour grapes from either side will bring out hearty, schadenfreude inspired laughs from anyone that's had the "pleasure" of playing either team.

    In fact, I'll put it even more strongly - I'm familiar with multiple teams, at multiple levels, in both norcal and another major metro area, that have made it to sectionals or beyond. They're all, to a man or woman, over level. You could drop those teams wholesale into leagues a full point higher and they'd still be reasonably competitive locally, and half a point higher and they'd still have a chance at local playoffs.

    The system is pretty much broken. It's no wonder so many players are curbing their participation.
     
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  29. JavierLW

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    The 3.5 Men's "SUUPERTEEEM" from the Mid_West is playing this weekend I think or the next. In their flight is:

    Florida
    New England
    Eastern
    Northern

    What do you think their chances are? Does anyone know any of these teams? (if you do, let them know that the Mid_West team is called the "Sup-er-Teem" back home, it would be funny if that followed them all the way to Nationals......)
     
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    The only prediction I can comment on is the 3.0 men's going to Florida. Wouldn't surprise me.

    My team just barely missed going to sectionals. Our singles lines and one doubles line competed in 3.5 league play as well, and our team there went 3-5. Those players also got moved up to 3.5 in the early start ratings. I hope this is making sense - we were effectively playing with three of five lines of 3.5 players (no self-rates though).

    The team that barely beat us in regionals got beat pretty badly at sectionals. I'd be surprised if it looked anything like 3.0 tennis.
     
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    4.0 - Middle States

    Why? Because I have friends on that team that I play with, so I want them to win.

    How can anyone predict what's going to happen knowing little to nothing about almost all the teams playing??
     
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    NE, because I'm biased :p
     
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    All i know is Cal team will win the 4.0 nationals but they won't look like they are 4.0's though.;)
     
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    Pretty tough flight there ... then again, all 3.5 men's teams will be tough at Nationals.

    I don't know how much DNTRP has been adjusted for each section this last year, out of the five sections, I normally would choose Florida to advance to the final four. But this is based on the assumption that more court time translates to more tennis improvement. It's not taking into account how many sandbagging a team has.
     
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    Texas will take home the 3.5 national championship. BOOK IT! ;)
     
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  36. ComeOnBeBe

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    San Diego 3.5 National City Always PANALO!!! Come onnnn BEE BEE. lets bring it on!
     
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  37. LafayetteHitter

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    4.0 Southern from Lafayette, Louisiana. Although the best player on the team got a DQ. He had the biggest serve on the team.
     
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  38. LuckyR

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    One almost exclusively sandbagged team from one part of the country will beat another heavily sandbagged team in a meaningless match.
     
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  39. BiGGieStuFF

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    Texas has beaten oregon 4-1 and faces Denver next. Denver beat St. Louis 3-2. This is in men's 3.5 nationals.
     
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  40. ComeOnBeBe

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    Socal beat the 2006 champions Norcal, and the caribbean. REALLY TOUGH MATCHES. I guess thats how it is when socal has to use their 2nd stringers... tomorrow is another story:grin: so its alright to scratch off caribbean from the 3.5 mens list of champions
     
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  41. JavierLW

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    In flight v, the "SuperTeam" from the Mid_West beat florida and new england.
     
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  42. lordmanji

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    hey all,

    im playing at the 2.5 nationals and let me tell you, weather will be a HUGE factor. today we had the windiest day ive ever played in. each ball was being pushed about three feet to the right by the wind, the tosses were murder to be consistent especially if you have a "high" toss, you had to have really good footwork and take many little steps to adjust to the wind, and gusts would come and go.

    tomorrow should be a lot better. btw, regarding ability, alot of women are true 2.5s. some of the men are actual 3.0s. the first guy i played today came from east coast and he flew 3,000 miles to kick my butt. he was consistent, he got back pretty much every hard hit kick serve i hit at him, and he dealt with the weather much better. he didnt hit hard, he just hit it over. course it helped he played earlier that day, wind-adjustment wise as well as motivation wise.

    the second player i played today was from ohio. he was put as the sacrifice singles because they thought my captain who played alot more singles than i do would play. but it was me and he was a true 2.5. some double faults, can't return my slow serves even, no volleying ability. really he just stuck his racket out and blocked the ball or hacked it back. i won the first set 6-2, was up 5-2 before i choked two games and finally won it 6-4.

    i felt bad for him cuz he had to deal with the wind for the first time. and i was really nervous those last few games making easy forehand errors. but im really glad to have won one match today. unfortunately my team lost a close doubles and a blow out doubles so we're 0-2 so far, and the individual rec is 1-5 for the team.

    tomorrow won't be windy, so says the weather report, so i hope to be able to play a less frustrating game.
     
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  43. JavierLW

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    The SuperTeam beat Northern as well, so they play Eastern (NY) to see who makes it to the semi's. (Eastern is 3-1, they are 4-0, I believe if Eastern wins they will still get in)

    Whoever wins will play a Intermountain (colorado) team in the Semi's.
     
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  44. JavierLW

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    The Superteam beat the Eastern team as well (4-1) so they are moving on to play the Intermountian team.

    It works nicely when you can hide your best sandbaggers for most of the season.
     
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  45. goober

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    Wow I honestly don't know any 2.5 rated players who can hit hard kick serves or even regular kick serves for that matter. Well I guess that is why you are in Nationals :D
     
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  46. lordmanji

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    well, my kick serve can be on and off. i forget one thing and its off. so today, a brand new day, the first match i played wasnt as windy but still a bit windy as yesterday. i had some ball toss problems but caught it. forgot to hit up on the ball and a quite a few of them went long. the guy i lost to 1-6, 2-6 is prob the best singles player in our section. like a lot of the guys here, their techinque isnt great but they really get a lot of balls back. i tried to work over his backhand and it worked a bit, he got more consistent so i started banging balls and some went in, some went out. we had some good rallies, especially at the net where i had my most success but i didnt get here as a net player so i opted to stay back.

    the second match a couple of the players wanted to switch things up so i ended up playing doubles with a guy who, while very likable, seemed like a little lost puppy on the court. i mean, really naive for example he'd ask them if they had enough balls at wrong times, lost track of who was serving, even took a break before the changeover. the conditions and situation seemed to really affect him more than usual. and unfortunately, he couldnt really run after balls or volley too well. but of course its not all his fault. we prob coulda gotten one more game or two if i had made a couple of break point attempts. its amazing the amount of pressure you feel in executing your strokes here, though. anyway, we lost 3-6, 1-6 to guys who are second in our round robin group and who will play in semis tomorrow. it wasn't too bad of a scoreline i guess.

    so now that this trip has come to an end, a couple things i learned are to have confidence in your strokes. changing things will most of the time lead to unforced errors. also, you really do have to execute your entire body well to just hit the ball. at this level, most of the guys are very consistent so you really just have to be more consistent which is harder than it looks. oh, and most of the singles players are better than the doubles players.
     
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  47. JavierLW

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    Sounds like you are decent 3.0 or lower 3.5 player. Nice job.
     
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  48. Topaz

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    Woot! 3.5 Mid-Atlantic women are through to the final round! I have two friends on that team....go Mid-Atlantic!
     
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  49. WBF

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    I guessed the NE for the 4.5's because I know several of the players on the team, one of whom I grew up hitting with every day :p

    I'm hoping the 4.5 seniors will go to NE (or that they will make it pretty far), but I don't know his teammates quite as well.

    No idea on the other teams, and I agree that people guessing for each category are probably in over their heads.
     
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  50. CrocodileRock

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    The much heralded "super team" from Mid_West has gone down to Intermountain, the same guys who beat Texas. So it's SoCal and Intermountain in the 3.5 finals.
     
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