pressure point - 1hbh

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  1. luvforty

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    used to have the middle and ring fingers receiving the pressure... but have changed that to what Oscar Wegner's teaching..

    it's good now.... whenever the put up or shut up guy posts his video, I will post one of my own.

    also, I will not reveal the secret here, so that Arche3 will continue hitting his flawed 1hbh.
     
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    I actually took a bunch of tennis lessons last couple years. Rebuilt my BH and my serve. Consistent over 100mph flats. Serious kick. Hola! It cost me about 8k. But was worth it to pwn old hacks.

    Serve took 2 years to rebuild. BH only a year.

    Oh and the pressure point is the heel pad on the base of thumb. For an eastern 1hbh, on bevel 8. I prefer pistol grip because of the leverage.
     
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  3. luvforty

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    show your stuff.

    base of thumb on bevel 8... hm... I don't know man.
     
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    Not the thumb. The pad of the hand. Like federer.
     
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  5. luvforty

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    i know - heel pad.... you sure that's what fed does?
     
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    and bevel 8? that sounds like a slice.
     
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  7. arche3

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    Hard to write. The thumb pad is on 7. Behind the shot. The pad under the pinky towards the wrist is on 8. Its all at an angle so it all sits behind the stroke with a lot of leverage. You break the wrist and keep it in that position through the stroke, I basically had a pro teach me the fed BH. The index knuckle is on top. Bevel 1. Eastern 1hbh. The racket getting into the power position opens a bit to the sky and closes through the stroke. Watch a fed video, hard to explain. It was very difficult to retrain my BH.
     
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    arche, I think we're gonna need a scientific formula to be presented and some sort of chart as well as photos of your racket and arm with random angle measurements.
     
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    ok, so push forward on 7, push DOWN on 8, where is the UP part coming from? it's a low to high stroke.

    balla - quiet.
     
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    I don't know. I just hit a whole bunch of balls, for a year. With a teaching pro. The racket head from the power position is low then finishes high. All these questions don't really describe the feel of the stroke,
     
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    Lol. I know. One thing I did realise is the size of a persons hand probably determines how much of a hammer grip you can use in the 1hbh. I had to use more pistol because of the lack of racket head control if I used a hammer type grip.
     
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    show your stuff arche... whats' the hold up?
     
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    Remember my thing about asians and tennis videos?
     
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    What is he teaching and where did you find it?
     
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    Saw him talking about the pressure points for fh and 1hbh. Can't find it now. But basically it is the base of the thumb on bevel 6

    So. 8k and a year later. Arche bh is still flawed
     
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    I believe Oscar is describing the guga BH. I dont like it like that. It can work. If you hit like guga. The fed BH is much nicer.
     
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    make-believe fed bh?

    impossible to hit like fed without pressure on bevels 4/5/6

    edit - i can see arche now taking shadow swings in his living room to feel the pressure lol
     
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    Your an idiot. You stated the hand position of thumb pad on 6. Fed does not have it that extreme.

    It is almost impossible to talk technique with you. Your so uninformed it makes me want to stab my eye with a pen.
     
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    sigh - people dropping f bombs and i bomb when they have nowhere else to go.

    so you can lift the racket head without pressure on b4/5/6... are you an octopus?
     
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    Hand position has nothing to do with pressure, you said hand position. Please be more accurate if your discussing technique.

    If you really want to have a discussion which I assumed you did stop trolling. Otherwise I'll leave your trolling to yourself.
     
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    what? do you not use your hand to hold on to the racket.... when you swing, where on the hand do you feel the pressure... goodness how accurate do you need
     
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    My first post in over two months, and this is what I post on...

    Here is what I'm basing my bevels on:

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    Fed has his index knuckle on the top bevel, bordering on bevel #1:

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    The palm his hand is essentially on top of the racquet, with the V of the thumb and forefinger extending from the top bevel, across bevel 4, and ending towards the bottom of the left side. Therefore, the only thing that can put pressure on the handle that will encourage forward motion is the lateral 2/3s of the V of the thumb and forefinger, and the base of the thumb.

    Therefore, I have to agree with arche on this one. Thanks for playing, have a nice day.
     
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    ok, thanks for playing..

    to avoid further confusion, can we set the numbering straight. top=1 then you count clockwise 1 thru 8

    agree with arche3 about what? he is saying pressure on bevel 7 and 8.
     
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    Use the chart I put on my OP. Here's an even better pic of Fed's backhand grip:

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    All the pressure is driving into border of bevel 4 and the left side as far as the forward swing is concerned.
     
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    Your have such a poor mind for this dozu I'm done with trying to have a real conversation with you. troll posts is all u deserve.
     
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    You know I've been out of it a while when I can't even pick that up. It makes total sense now...
     
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    guy is wrong and is now resorting to calling names.
     
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    Yeah I enjoy these technical discussions but it's hard to discuss these things with dozu. He seems to think he has all the answers. Actually I do prefer the fed BH over guga extreme grip.

    We can just ignore him in his own thread.
     
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  29. arche3

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    Yeah I agree. Your bevel 4 is my 8.
     
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    arche3 i am willing to bet that your bh breaks down under pressure.

    and - unlike you, i will pay if i lose.
     
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    let's set up the match. I'll revive my
    previous thread or start a new one.

    arche3's 8k Serve&backhand vs luvdozu's
    Self taught human body shots.
     
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    Yeah its not likely my bh will break down playing a self taught hack that just discovered there are different ways to hold the racket. While it is always possible for ones strokes to break down facing superior competition its comical for me at least to think of dozus tennis as breaking anything down. I've seen his videos. Maybe ill sprain my ankle but he is not breaking anyones tennis down.

    I might of given him a chance when I first got back to tennis a few years ago. 2 months in after 23 years off tennis your rusty. Now that I've been playing steady for a few years no way in hell. I've played so many matches as a kid I dont have any mental issues.

    I will post a video of my tennis eventually just so people have an idea of my game. I'm not that bad a player actually. Better than most think I am here actually. But I'm not claiming superior tennis knowledge or skills like our resident stooge dozu. He figures out how to hit a guga grip and starts quizing people on here. The guy is an idiot. I have no desire to meet such fools and actually play any tennis with such an idiot. So unless we both enter an open tourney and meet in a match it will never happen.
    Dozu aka luv40 should post a video of his tennis then start acting like bolleteri. His lack of insight into tennis is comical at best.
     
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    wow - he beat me to it...

    I was just gonna say, kermit, that arche3 would never play, because he would lose his 'coach qualification police' rights, along with the ability to call people idot, old fart, pathetic rec and other things.

    I am not saying this just to get back to him.... his racoon killing fh, his bevel 8 bh, both are subject to break downs..... 100mph serve, not gonna be an issue for somebody who faces 115 all the time... not sure how serious the kick is, but I slice down the 115 guy's kick all the time and I charge the net!

    so kermit, i think you will be in for a disappointment.
     
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    So pick a men's tourney and lets both enter. I'm game. And your the only guy I'm calling an idiot here. I can be in a coma and never play tennis again ans still be able to spot your bs tennis coaching on here its that lame.

    Also your not facing anyone hitting 115. That's so freaking hard to hit that fast.

    Who is kermit? Muppets?

    There are men's age group. Open. All over nj. I'm 45 so we can do either as I think your as well. They happen all summer. Lets meet in a real tourney and see who chokes.
     
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    doesn't make sense at all - what if you lose in the first round?

    it's not so complicated to set up a match, pick a mutually agreeable spot, show up with rackets and balls.

    and 115 is so hard? yeah, hard for you and me, you serve 100, I maybe close, but there are plenty of people out there who can serve 115... and guess what, I stand INSIDE the baseline to slice down the kick.
     
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    I won't lose in first round. Are you afraid of real tourneys? If your adamant about a match with me ill meet you and give you a beating. I just think your a terrible tennis wanna be coach .
     
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    I don't know very many people who serve 115. I play a lot of people.
     
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    tourneys' got nothing to do with what we are dealing with here.

    pick a date.
     
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    Sunday. Where?

    And you never answered why your afraid of a real tourney. And admit your an idiot and fed has his back hand just as I described.

    Edit. That's easter. Ill give your beat down week after. Saturday or sunday. Us open courts in queens. Make it more official.
     
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    new brunswick or neighborhood should be good.

    afraid what.... why do something that does not serve a purpose
     
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    so you backing out on the time, and now put up another excuse on the location... why don't we play at my township courts.
     
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    Its easter sunday? I have family plans for holiday. What excuse on location? We never agreed to a place and time. I posted a date and place. I'm not coming to your lame home. Meet in queens. A neutral spot. Play the match and get owned you loser.
     
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    queens is neutral spot? at least I had the common sense to propose a location equal distance to both.

    i am not asking you to come to my township, i used that to show how ridiculous it is to ask me to go to queens.

    I am at exit 7, what exit are you, why don't we find the exit in the middle, and get to the courts closest to that exit, and get it over with.... we can get other ttwers to be lines persons, ball persons, umpire and camera crew... I am sure there will be lots of volunteers.
     
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    Your the one challenging me to a tennis match. I don't even want to play your lame ass. I don't know where exit 7 is. I'm not by an exit you moron.
    If your challenging me to a match why can't I specify location? I've never even played tennis at the us open courts. Its fair for me to do so according to the man rules of dueling.
     
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    I said pick a date you said Sunday;
    you said where I said New Brunswick;

    now you backing out on both.... how about you post your GPS location and I post mine, we find the mid point on google map and find the nearest court to that mid point... forget about exits.

    sorry frog person... it's not happening and you can see why.
     
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    If you challenge me to a match. I get to pick a location. Its that simple. Nothing to do with mid point. I have no idea where you live. Start again. I agree to your challenge. It is within my rights according to the man code to specify location. I don't see how that is wrong. I say lets play in queens us open courts. If you agree to this we can pick a date.
    Once again. You called me a coward to play you. I don't have any desire to play you but I will accept because you challenged me. Now you need to man up and actually get to the courts.
     
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    then you should have stated above before asking me for 'where'; and you should have checked the calendar before saying 'Sunday'.

    it's for everyone to see, who needs to man up.
     
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    Ok I'm sorry for all that. Move on. Simple mistake.

    Again. The facts are. I don't want to play your sorry wanna be coach self. So you called me a coward and challenged me to a match. I accept the challenge. Its within my right under the man code to specify a reasonable location. I specify queens.

    Do we have agreement? Man up you girl.
     
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    so now the 'man code' is your excuse.

    so you are willing to travel to these 'open tournaments in NJ', where the chance of actually playing me is close to zero....

    but for mano-o-mano match, you won't get out of queens.

    how much sense does that make.
     
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    I don't live in queens. I've never played there. If your going to call me a coward you need to make an effort and actually play me. I'm not obligated to play you. In fact I don't even want to because your a fool. But your insistent challenge and calling me a coward I will accept the match. Queens is easily doable for both of us. I don't see it as an obstacle.

    If you stand by your challenge man up and lets play. Why should I make it all nice amd easy and meet you where you want? You issued the challenge. So come play you coward.
     
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