Prestige S - Great Reviews but no Chat

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  1. richie65

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    What gives about this intriging stick? The reviews seem very positive, but it appears that the TW forum isn't chatting.

    I'm interested as it seems like a real comfortable and maneuverable, lighter players stick. I noticed that it has a different beam from the other Prestige sticks. Do people not believe it's a "real" Prestige?

    At the very least, it could be modified to some solid specs.

    I really want to give it a try, but nobody has a demo so please help.

    And yes I did a search, but not much there.
     
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  2. sundaypunch

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    I haven't tried one. I was considering it and did quite a bit of searching. You will have to do a titles-only search for Prestige and be prepared to dig to find discussions about the S.

    I ended up not pulling the trigger on one. A summary of what I remember from the discussion was, "spec's look great on paper, but it doesn't play that great" and "a decent racquet but nothing that should be considered a Prestige".
     
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  3. PED

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    It's def a real prestige. I've owned the mid, mp and pro in various past versions and the s is my fav. It's a bit lighter at 328g strung but my mgmp was only 333g so not that different.

    There is a v shape structure in the throat similar to the v core honeys that stiffens things up but it's still quite comfortable.

    Nice power and plenty of control but you did need good stick speed to get the most out of it. I've used one since last year and really enjoy the consistency it brings, it creates a nice lower trajectory heavy ball.
     
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  4. West Coast Ace

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    I'm a Head fan, but.... maybe dropping a new stick during WINTER and a MAJOR isn't too smart?
     
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  5. dje31

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    Building on PED's assessment, as a soon-to-be 48 year-old, 4.5-5.0, it's probably considered in the bowels of HEAD R&D as the middle-aged Prestige...now that they've got a Graphene Prestige PWR, that's the granny / granddad stick.

    That being said, as an old fart not ready for a walker or tweener stick, who plays an old school game, I'm about to pull the trigger on two. Was waiting to try the Graphene Speeds, but the more reviews I read, the more likely I won't like them, being Babolat whatever-Drive alternatives, from all indications.

    If you can put any stock in the TW player profiles, Granville uses a modded Prestige S, or at least claimed to have. It wasn't on my personal radar until I read that, so I gave it a couple of good demo days. Glad I did.

    It's more of a light player than a tweener. If you have or had player skills and need a bit more oomph, you might be pleasantly surprised.

    All things being equal, someone else suggested it's perhaps more of an Instinct Pro than a Prestige, esp since they have similar, triangular throat profiles. But that doesn't (necessarily) mean it's a chick stick.
     
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  6. PED

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    Not sure if you realized that the S Was released last January.

    usually, head releases the prestige line every January since the lm version iirc.
     
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  7. richie65

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    I like what I'm hearing so far. I'll have to give it a try if I can find a used copy somewhere.
    It seems to compare to my other sticks: Volkl DNX9 and Yonex Rd Ti 80 Lite.
     
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  8. PED

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    ^^I always like the MP version's specs but didn't like the flexy throat and the tighter pattern. This plays like a modded MP but with a touch more power as well.

    The control on the S is better than the Pro IMO, likely because it swings faster.

    Good luck on getting a used one, I searched for some time than finally gave up, hard to find :)
     
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  9. PED

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    I remember yours, you wanted $135 :)

    I would recommend TW. You'll get a better price by going the TW route than by selling on here. I've done my last several sticks by trading them in and TW is a lot better than dealing with many on here.
     
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  10. dje31

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    My least favorite part is that opaque CAP they use on all the IG Prestiges. You can still get the black YT versions for all the others, but the S has the shared holes, so no black OEM ones exist.

    Ordered an opaque replacement from TW, took a black Sharpie to it, and viola! Black CAP for Prestige S! Takes a while, but seems to have worked.
     
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  11. YesTennis

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    Thanks! I did ask that much because it was used for less than an hour and was strung with Champions Choice(gut mains/Alu Rough cross). Thought it was a fair price ).

    If someone really wants it, I'll go a little lower. If not, back to TW.
     
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  12. PED

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    I've been there myself :)

    One thing I will mention about the S is that it plays much better at low tension. My demo had a multi at 53lbs and it was nice. I tried my usual tension of 53/51 full Tour bite and the S had a lot lower power. I'm using it with full TB at 43/42 now and it's really nice. I've never been a low tension guy but it plays so much better.

    You may want to try a lower tension before selling and taking the hit.
     
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  13. YesTennis

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    Thanks PED-much appreciated.

    It really is a nice racquet. Some have mentioned a small sweet spot, but I really haven't found that to be the case. It is extremely arm friendly. I do think it's probably a little more demanding than some of the commonly referenced "tweeners," but can be a very rewarding racquet.
     
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  14. dje31

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    PED: Man, that's some low tension. Thanks for the heads-up.

    I usually have 2-3 of my current racquet in the bag, and when I initially string them, I usually put them at opposite ends of the tension range, maybe one in the middle if I have a third, to figure out what tension works best.

    Was going to do that when I get mine, but will take your advice into account. Thanks again!
     
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  15. RollTrackTake

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    I did a long term demo of the Prestige S (alongside Bio Max 200G & Pro 1) and have mixed feelings about it. It was strung with gut mains/multi crosses at mid tension.
    1. I'm coming off playing full fledged tweeners (Pro Open, EXO3 Black) therefore the Prestige S didn't have the power I was accustomed to. The power was lower than that of the B-Max 200G & Donnay P1 as well.
    2. The sweetspot did not feel as big as the other racquets. When I hit the sweetspot it felt great. Outside of it, the racquet felt unstable against hard hitters.
    3. I liked the control of the racquet but it wasn't that much better than the others.
    On days when I'm tired and my P1 feels sluggish I wish I had hung onto the Prestige S. Thought being if i had tried more string combos and some lead tape I could have modded the Prestige S into a slightly more maneuverable version of my stick.
     
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  16. JackB1

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    I agree with all these comments about the Prestige S. I also really wanted to love it, but found it a little too demanding. Balls struck dead center were great, but just a little off center and they went nowhere.

    Roll...I think I have a perfect racquet for you when the P1 feels heavy...the new Vcore 97 310 gram version!
     
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  17. RollTrackTake

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    I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the Vcore 97 JackB1. (May have to start a new thread). I've been poking around for info on the Yonex EZONE XI 98 (non V-Core) as well because the specs are so close to the P1 and some say its easier to swing. I wanted to love the Prestige S mostly because I wanted to play with a "Prestige" racquet and the specs were right. Truth be told I've never really played a Head racquet so maybe I'm not used to their 'feel'. I tried the Radical Tour (Agassi), the Microgel Radical, Youtek Instinct and a few others and just never clicked with them. go figure.
     
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  18. JackB1

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    Tried the Xi98 because I also loved the specs, but didn't like it at all.
    What are the specs of your P1? Mine is 330 grams weight and swingweight.
    Have you tried the Bio Maxx 200g? That plays just like the P1 but swings a little easier IMO.

    I will try the vcore 97 310g when I can get my hands on a demo. They haven't been released yet.
     
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  19. RollTrackTake

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    my Pro 1 is 12.1oz (10g buttcap, TF overgrip & dampner) swingweight is 338 by TWU calculator. I did try the Bio Max 200G for a few months. I liked it, the thin beam, great slices, above average power, good control, ok sweetspot IMO. It was the extra oomph of the P1 that seduced me. I'm going to try the EZONE 98 to see for myself. After reading through some more buyer comments if the opportunity comes about I'll string up a Prestige S with a multi at 58lbs and put some lead in the handle, 3,9,12 and see how it responds.
     
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  20. JackB1

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    Why not remove the 10g buttcap to make your P1 more maneuverable? ANY added weight anywhere (even the handle) increases swingweight.

    Did you try the 200G with a powerful multi? Lots of pop.
     
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  21. RollTrackTake

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    the 10g buttcap doesn't change the swingweight very much according to the customization tool. maybe 1 or 2 pts tops. I had poly mains/synthetic crosses in the Dunlop at 55lbs. should have tried a full multi. When they get marked down maybe the Prestige S and Bio 200G get revisited.
     
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  22. TfReAk

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    I'm planning to demo the Yonex vcore 97 310 also. I have the same 'problem' with the donnay p1. Currently playing with a slightly customized MG Rad mp. Love the racket but I'm missing some spin and pop on my serves. I'm hoping that the Vcore has the same 'whipping' feel, but performes better on the serve.
     
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  23. JackB1

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    on a related note.....has anyone with a Prestige S found a string setup that worked with good power? There are many comments about how "string sensitive" this racquet is and I think finding the right string setup is the key to enjoying this racquet.
     
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  24. PED

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    Low tension poly works excellently.

    Tour bite 16L at 43/42 offers power and control but this stick is never going to have the power of a tweener.
     
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  25. ChicagoJack

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    Hi Jack -

    Uhm, that's not quite correct. I do kind of get what you are implying tho ... added weight anywhere can be felt in a real tennis stroke out on the court. But the term "Swingweight" has a very precisely defined meaning, method of measurement, and has very little to do with a real tennis stroke.

    It is determined by measuring the moment of inertia around a 10cm axis. That's fancy talk for it is clamped into the RDC machine and rotates around an axis at exactly 4 inches. Therefore, weight at exactly 4" or below 4" makes no dif with regards to measurable sw. You'd have to add quite a bit of lead (something equivalent to the weight of 3-4 leather grips) in the remaining 4-7 inches of the palette to register even a single blip in sw on an RDC testing device.

    On the other hand, tail weighting, right at the buttcap, acts as a counter balance to the tip weight, and it makes the tip of the racquet easier to control. That's exactly why I've got all my Pro Ones tail weighted to -12 points, and the SW has not changed one iota. The tail weighting, (as well as my flared buttcap for added leverage) really helps me to control the racquet face during the latter stages of my semi western 1HBH, and volleys. I know it sounds counter intuitive, but adding the 5 or 10 gram buttcap ( 6-8 ponts HL) to a P1 isn't going to help much. You need to get into the + 25 grams, and minus 11 or 12 point range before it gets easier to control.


    -Jack
     
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  26. JackB1

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    Thanks Jack for that info.

    BTW...I tried getting a Pro 1 directly from Donnay that was on spec or lower for weight and balance and they couldn't do it. Isn't that crazy?
     
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  27. ChicagoJack

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    LOL, no surprise at all. As I've said many times, the Donnay website specs are 100% pure fiction. And I know they know it too. The real P1's are stiffer, much higher balance, and much higher SW. Forget about getting a Pro one that is under the 318 sw spec. Try to buy just one that is 318. They cannot sell it to you, because it is a mythical creature of fiction, same as a P1 with a sticker flex of 64 is a mythical creature. I love the P1 more than any other frame I've ever hit with by a factor of 10. But jeeze louise the specs thing is real burr my saddle!

    I do have a possible solution in mind. The top bumper weighs 9 grams. I'm estimating than I can get that down to about 6 grams If I drill it out. - 3 grams at the tip will drop the SW considerably. I've got six grommet sets here to play with, will be experimenting as time allows.

    -Other Jack
     
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  28. JackB1

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    What do you think their motivation is for publishing specs that are lower than actual?
     
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  29. ChicagoJack

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    ^^^ Jack, I will answer in the Pro One Thread, dont want to get to far off topic from the Prestige S chit chat :)
     
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