Prime Federer versus 20 year old Djokovic

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  1. 5555

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    FED FAIL!
    10 fails
     
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    Why don't we just compare the # of slams at the same age? That should settle it.
     
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    Djokovic got hot for that tournament, he retired against Roddick the next year.
     
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    20 year old Djokovic - 1 GS
    20 year old Federer - 0 GS
     
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    If these are the type of threads that are gonna be posted until the season starts again, then the AO can't come fast enough.
     
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    And what happened to the other matches in 2007?
     
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    ok, djokovic with 5 Slams is the GOAT, can we end the discussion here.
     
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    Going by that logic, Hewitt and Safin are better than Federer.
     
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    Federer destroyed Djokovic in US Open finals.
     
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    honestly djokovic has more potential than federer i know go and yell at me but djokovic won AO with 2x more competition than fed winning wimbledon
    djokovic was also more succesful than fed
    20 years old djoko -1
    20 years old fed -0
     
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    How about at Djoker's current age of 25?
     
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    I guess 20 year old Safin and Hewitt are better than Federer, too, and have more "potential".
     
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    Wait does this mean Chang is the GOAT?
     
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    25 year old Djokovic - 5 GS
    25 year old Federer (in the end of 2006 season) - 9 GS
     
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    No but winning GS with 17 years is a great achievement!
     
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    Wow so Fed almost doubled Djoker! Amazing.
     
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    thank you for leading me to my point. The expected result. This 2011 FO win over Djokovic was an upset in many ways. As was the montreal match. Federer won the 2007 AO, 2007 USO, 2007 Dubai. The expected result for a world number 1.

    So 5555 can post this thread all he wants.. it just shows a match that prime Federer choked away. He redeemed himself a month later.

    Also, i Love the quotes. does 2011 not count as peak Djokovic now?

    Do you seriously believe he'll ever have a season as good as that again?
     
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    Yes, I'm very happy because of that.
     
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    And if Djokovic only manages a single major in 2013, he will have 6 majors to Federer's 12 at the same age, I believe.
     
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    2x more competition you say?

    I'd like to see the mathematical formula that led you to that conclusion.
     
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    The only big scalp Djokovic took was against a sick Federer that tournament. That's like Hewitt and Safin thrashing Sampras in the final of the US Open.
     
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    MonoFed is pathetic excuse! Djokovic beats #5 Ferrer, #1 Federer and future top 10 player JWT who destroyed Nadal in SF.

    Have you watched that tournament at all?
     
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    It's not an excuse, it's a fact. Who knows how much of an affect it really had on him.. but he couldn't find his usual extra gear against Djokovic in that match. Obviously part of it was Djokovic himself, but Federer wasn't 100%. That's just the way it is. I don't consider it a fluke win for Djokovic, as he's exceptionally good on Plexicushion, but rest-assured: prime, healthy Fed wouldn't have gone down in straights. No way.
     
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    Federer was starting to slip in 2007. It's not that he was past his prime, but his game was dipping a little.

    He lost to Djokovic in Montreal that year? Great. He also lost to Volandri at Rome, Canas at Indian Wells and Miami, Nalbandian at both Madrid and Paris, and Gonzo at the Masters Cup in the round robin stage.
     
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  28. Gonzo_style

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    But Federer first time beats Nadal on clay
     
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    Djokovic played against Federer at French Open 2011 after he lost rythm because he did not play for 5 days (Fognini walkover)
    Djokovic was injured(shoulder) against Federer at US Open 2011

    Djokovic was at his peak against Federer at Dubai 2011.
     
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  30. NadalAgassi

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    It is funny how the ****s will get their panties in a knot over this but they are the same ones who try and pretend any win or even close match between 29 or 30 year old Federer and prime Djokovic means Djokovic would somehow get slaughtered in all surfaces in their mutual primes, LOL, never mind that Federer himself was in a dogfight and lost sets in over half his matches to 34-36 year old broken backed Agassi, and couldnt even get his first win over Agassi until Agassi was 33. He is just using the same philosophy ****s do in reverse.
     
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    I was hoping you come back with that comment that is obviously riiculous as a 30-year Federer is the MOST EXPERIENCED player on the tour vs. a 20-year old kid in 2007.

    Thanks for asking...
     
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    Destroyed?
    7–6(4), 7–6(2), 6–4

    Destruction is the 2008 French open (let me remind you: 6-1, 6-3, 6-0) ;)
     
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    Do I believe he will have the same (or better) season?
    No. The question is does he NEED to have the season like that? As of now with Federer being less and less of a risk, Murray still not consistent threat, Nadal about to quit playing an no one else to challenge him -- no, he can maintain hiss reign with half the effort...unfortunately. I definitely don't think he put a 100% into 2012, except at the end when he wanted to show off...
     
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    This thread is pointless. They are 6 years apart and their prime was at a different time frame.

    Unlike Fed and Sampras played in 2001, they are 10 years apart and neither of them were in their prime(particularly a 19 years old Fed).
     
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    that 2007 u s open final..federer won that title through amazing play but djokovic played good also from what i remember..(note to self..look at the link when not so busy)..

    the yet-to-be serbinator lost that match IN THE HEAD..more than anything else..i dont recall any 'intake of oxygen problems' in that final either. :-|

    although maybe mr djokovic still had that 'action man style' spray on hairdo 5yrs ago too, probably.
     
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    Djokovic had chances to win the first 2 sets of the US Open 2007. I believe he was ahead in both sets and Federer had to fight off numerous break points. Djokovic also gifted the first tie-break with 2 double faults.

    Djokovic of 07/08 was a very good player.
     
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    it's too funny how some of you twist things out to suit your sick Fed needs. Yes Fed did def. Nole at the USO, but that was the choke of the century. Nole was a break up in both first 2 sets. Then at the AO. Nole literally demolished Fed. If Djokovic hadn't been stupid enough to change his racquet, hire Todd Martin who complitely ruined his service motion he would have probably holding 3/4 slams in his pocket.

    and yes, I do believe that Djokovic can have have another season like 2011. why wouldn't I? Just because you don't want it to happen doesn't mean it will not.

    Bud, learn to be objective.
     
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    And Michael Chang is better than both, new GOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    I said potential not saying that they are better but Djokovic did not live up to his great expections Federer did the exact opposite.

    Also Djokovic's draw at ao Becker Bolleli Querrey Hewitt ferrer Federer and Tsonga.

    Okay i under stand you might say its an easy draw but thats bs at most it's a normal draw you wanna know whats an easy draw fed 09 french open
     
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    Obvious trolling, I think it was Djokovic who choked US open finals.Multiple set points in first and second set.If it was the other way it would something like 3 wins in a row, and maybe more in future.Federer was lucky, but also much more experienced player, he knew that's his opponent will be overwhelmed by the moment itself.Playing first GS final against 11 time champion is not the same like playing someone like Phillipussies.And the most amount of wins that Federer accumulated against Novak in single season were in 2010, it was 4-1.Also, Federer was in great form before last years AO, he was playing in Doha like never before, crushing opponents along the way, so this type of arguments about post prime and old Fed are really cheap way to belittle Djokovic accomplishments.
     
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    I agree completely
     
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    Sorry, 2010 not 2011 I meant, just fixed this.:)
     
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    yeah wasn't djokovic's record in 2011 4-1? and Federer may not be in his prime but he is still playing pretty darn well and winning titles and grandslams in harder competition i.e. nadal murray djokovic
     
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    Noit was a close 3 setter, and Djokovic could have won the first 2 sets. Federer won 2 tiebreak sets and one 6-4

    In fact look at this Canada 2007 match here in the opening post. Federer took a set 6-2 and Djokovic needed 2 tiebreaks. In a way Djokovic played better at the US open, he just failed in the tiebreakers, but he didn't get beat 6-2 in any set, so the difference was marginal. Obviously takes skill to win a tiebreak but still it can be a very thin line between winning and losing.
     
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    Yeah, it was. But 2010 was Federer who dominated the rivalry.My argument was that "old and "grandpa" Fed had the most wins in a single season against Djoker just year before Novak had this crazy run.
     
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    If people want to see Federer destroying somebody in a major final, they should take a look at his 2004 match against Hewitt in the final of the US Open. Federer's match against Djokovic was a close, three set win. It could have easily gone the other way.
     
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    yeah i agree with you there.
     
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    Your opposition to the use of the word 'destroy' in Fed-Djoker 2007 is deflated by your subsequent use of the word 'easily'.
     
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    Of course it might have been the other way around, but by the same token, if Federer had not choked the first and third sets away in Montreal, he could have won all meetings in 2007. It can go either way; Federer won, IIRC, 2 of 3 meetings in 2008 as well. Split the meetings 3-3 in 2009, won 4-1 in 2010 as you said, 1-4 in 2011, and 2-3 in 2012.

    It's always been a close rivalry, but at that time in the rivalry, Federer had never lost to Djokovic, and was absolutely capable of having won that match. That's just the way it is, no excuses.
     
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    How so? All I said was it could have gone either way, using "easily" to emphasize my point.
     
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