Prince 2013 racquets

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  1. themitchmann

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    Traditional meaning without ports.

    I'm with you: I've actually really enjoyed my time with the ported racquets. I started playing with them in 2007.
     
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    Absolutely!
    There were only few revolutionary developments in frames. To me, they are:
    Introduction of metal, introduction of carbon, high beam, O3 ports.
     
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    Agree. And I think that if prince leaves their o-ports, they are done, they have nothing to compete with babolats and heads etc who have best players contracted...
     
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    My Prince EXO3 Red 105 has ports. I've been playing tennis over 40 years using all kinds of rackets. Couldn't be happier with my current frame.
     
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  5. themitchmann

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    The main issue with ports is that sponsored pros can't use a pj unless its on a ported racquet. Since pros tend not to switch frames very often, it was harder for Prince to secure player than the other companies.
     
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  6. Arthuro

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    This should be a badge of honor, since it means that whoever Prince signs actually has to use their technology. The same technology by the way they are selling to the public as revolutionary.

    It's sad that we live in such a world were a company with a solid product is being outclassed because they cannot afford to sign players to bolster their lies to a mostly ignorant tennis public.
     
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  7. themitchmann

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    You're right. And that's what I like about the players that actually use ported racquets: even if it's a pj, at least it uses the same tech that's available to the public.

    And many are ignorant to the fact that pro players don't switch racquets every product cycle (most pros don't switch more than once or twice during their entire careers). The fact that pros don't want to risk switching racquets (let alone, new tech like o-ports), is why it was so hard for Prince to secure pro contracts.
     
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    I would rank Howard Head's Prince as the start of the revolution in frames. Both metal and early carbon fibers in small headed frames did not radically change the game, few could hit like Jimmy with metal and standard size fiber frames were not game changers. The Profile and the rest of the wide bodies, led to the current crop of frames. Poly to harness the power brings us to O-Ports, which I see as a refinement in the ongoing design of areo frames.
     
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    I respect your decision but one more suggestion. Polyfibre TCS mains and Babolat Excel in the crosses at 48/52. I can almost guarantee it wont hurt your arm and its a very spinny setup.
     
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    I agree! I forgot to mention the OS, which is just as important as the materials. New materials made the OS possible.
     
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  11. zapvor

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    yep yep. its sad to see such an innovation being beaten out by marketing machine (babolat/nadal). such is the power of marketing unfortunately
     
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  12. SFrazeur

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    While I agree that ports (O, speed, EXO3, hybrid) is a "real" technology over something like Cortex, I do not see how it is revolutionary. By definition of the word revolutionary it would have to have brought about about a major or fundamental change to Tennis racquets like the other advances mentioned.

    -SF
     
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  13. zapvor

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    its as revolutionary as its going to get....i mean because d3O is truly revoluntionary
     
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    I agree. While I really like the O-technology, it's just an extension of the Big Grommet work that had been done before. IMO, string in particular the advance of poly from ultra stiff to more and more playable is the real revolution along with the change in playable tension. What passes for tension now makes the "recommended" tension range moot.
     
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  15. SFrazeur

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    I'll say that Ports are innovative. Innovative of big/oversize grommets or holes like mentioned below. EDIT: How is d30 revolutionary? How has it brought about about a major or fundamental change to Tennis racquets?

    Got to agree. I think comfortable, tension sustaining poly string is the latest revolution. It may be the last revolution since widebody or longbody racquets.

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    Very revolutionary...
    It changed the way the racquet is made, I won't go into detail, too ellaborate...
    It changed the way it plays/feels: Sweet spot the size of an OS racquet with actual size and manouvrabillity of a MP; Less resistance; Softer feel then the frame stiffness would suggest.
    It changed the physical properties, strength/weight ratio: the section of the frame has now a complex 3d structure, acting as the web between the outer shells, increasing the strength without increasing the weight, plus there is no week point of the drilled hole. Also less grommets to get worn out.
     
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    Yes, but we are discussing the frames here, not the strings.
     
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  18. SFrazeur

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    It may be revolutionary in how Prince racquets are made but it has not revolutionized how tennis racquets in general are made or noticeably designed.
     
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    Oh do tell! This board is meant for geeky elaborations about all things tennis. Tell us!

    Somebody needs to remind Prince of this. They need to make a 95 Tour model. These things don't need to be 100 square inches - it's overkill!

    I'm not sure the 3d self-reinforced structure unblemished by unsightly drill holes actually improves either power or accuracy though. Does it?

    And all this comes at the cost of feel. If they could get an old school, rich feel and feedback into these frames I would probably switch. They just feel so mushy and vague. Although to be fair, people say that they get used to them.
     
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  20. cknobman

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    I played with the Prince O tech(and its variations) for several years and loved it. I played with the O3 White, Speedport tour, Speedport black, and EXO3 tour.

    I have also played with Dunlop, Wilson, and Babolat frames as well.

    If you blindfolded me and had me hit with every racquet I have ever played with and asked me to name what "technology" they used I can guarantee the only tech I would be able to identify would be the O tech in the prince racquets.

    Every technology I have played with has been marketing BS with no real noticeable difference EXCEPT for the O tech. That change how the racquet swings and feels.

    I am not saying O tech is the best (obviously I dont think it is which is why I dont play with it now) but I can say it was the one tech that I truly noticed a difference without a doubt.
     
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    Exactly. I've been testing the Beast. I strung it at 51 and find it far too loose. There is zero, no fatigue in my arm playing with this string. I plan on testing it further, a full bed at 55, and then Beast Attack, the hybrid, at same or maybe a couple of pounds higher. The string really is amazing.

    I also bought the IsoSpeed Pulse since it's supposed to be the same thing for about 1/2 the price.
     
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  22. Hi I'm Ray

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    I've actually really liked the two Exo3 frames that I demoed. Haven't heard of any arm pain issues from Exo3 users either. It does feel different though, if they could tweak the frames a bit so that they feel more like traditional frames while maintaining whatever benefits the ports have, that'd be great.

    Also glad there will be more options in these ultra open pattern frames than just the Steam.
     
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  23. Hi I'm Ray

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    Has anyone tried the Exo3 Hornet? A regular bridge like the upcoming frames, big grommets like the V1 @ 3&9, and Port Holes at 12. It probably needs some weight added but it would be interesting to know if feels more like a traditional frame than the other Exo3 rackets.
     
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  24. MikeHitsHard93

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    The port holes that can be installed instead of the o ports make the racket feel much more traditional while still having the same aerodynamic benefits. Also, the sweet spot doesn't change much. Just a tad smaller. But overall, port holes are more traditional feeling and you can order them with the racket or should be able to ask for them installed before stringing.
     
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    Ugh... Introducing the frame that takes longer to string than to pop... Not quite so new-age, the pog is 14x17

    Again, not quite so new age. POGs are 14x17... Greatest frame to string, worst to pop.


    Should be interesting. Haven't seen anything particularly appealing from prince in a while.
     
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  26. zapvor

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    sorry you missed my sarcasm.
     
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    I loved the port rackets.... the best ones had their mains as ports.

    BUT, they made some classic sticks that never got quite the recognition as they deserved.

    Bandit 95, 1st Gen Rebel, and i forgot the other ones haha.
     
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  28. Alex78

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    Anyone seen the pics of the new Prince EXO3 Tour ESP taken from the Eddie Herr junior tournament on the Prince homepage? I'm hoping for more information on this racket soon...
     
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  29. themitchmann

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    It's supposed to have an "extremely" open string pattern, and looks to be a wider beam (more like the EXO3 Tour Team).

    Last I heard from my rep, they won't be released until summer 2013.
     
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    You missed the biggest of all, oversized > 70 square inch frames as long as we're talking racquets.
     
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  31. BlueB

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    Discussed already...
     
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    Thanks, mitchmann! - Although I hope your rep is wrong on both beam width and release date... I'd like to see a 18 mm (18-20-18) Tour 100 with an open string pattern and with DB technology, available in January, please.
     
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    how is Prince going to put out new rackets when they are bankrupt ?
     
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  34. sureshs

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    Bankrupt doesn't mean they will have no money. They will have money from new financiers.
     
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    Yeah, I take it they're alive and kicking...
     
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    The beam width is based on pics on the Prince fb page.

    Where have you been? They restructured and sold the company months ago.
     
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    Are they part of Yonex now ?? I hope so. Mix of Yonex and Prince tech combined would be like perfection, in itself.:)
     
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    Oh Fedace...
     
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    Prince Esp Pic

    Listen up people.... watch the video on the Prince website labeled "I Play Prince" and pause it at 9 seconds. It is the best picture of the new EXO3 ESP Tour you will find.

    I am Darkwing Duck.
     
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    What are those yellow strings? I head they are possibly called "BEAST BATTLE"....anyone else heard this?
     
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    16 x 16 by my count.
     

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