Prince Boron generation playability differences?

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  1. whomad15

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    Is there any differences in the playability of the prince borons? I know people with the pro-staffs seem to find the st. vincents the magical ones, is it the same for the boron?

    any opinions/speculations welcome
     
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  2. gavna

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    Really? They were all made in China if I recall and it's not like it had huge multiple production runs. In our shop at the time we sold 5!!!! (and that includes the one guy who came in and bought 3) In like 3 years and I never saw more than 2 stocked in any shop. Best thing about that frame was the full leather case and key fob u got for the $600+. Among retailers at the time it was a joke. Greatest foufou frame of all-time.
     
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  3. mad dog1

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    the prince boron was most certainly not made in china. the early prince racquets were made in the usa ie. the grommetless POG OS. i know prince production moved to taiwan after. the later versions of the POG and boron w/ the full grommet strip and headguards were made in taiwan. i'm not sure if the borons w/ the individual grommets were made in the US or taiwan.

    whomad, i've only played w/ the borons w/ the grommet strips so i'm not sure if the two different versions play differently.
     
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  4. whomad15

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    Thanks for the info, I've been trying to find one on the cheapz. Guess having a really high price-tag makes it hard for people to get multiple of (unlike pro-staffs).

    mad dog, what's your opinion of the boron you've played with. I've been a POG user for quite a while.
     
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  5. mad dog1

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    ^^ due it's stiffer flex, the boron is more powerful than the POG. they're both super solid sticks, but the boron feels more head heavy so it's not as easy to maneuver around the net on reflex volleys.
     
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    like the pogs, early borons were made in the u.s., later runs, china.
    like prostaffs, early borons were bumperless and later borons sported bumper/grommet systems.
    earliest borons had individual grommets - VERY hard to find replacements
    earlier borons had numeric serial numbers, later runs had alpha-numeric SNs
    there were minor labelling variations between earlier and later versions.
    earlier borons came with nicer leather covers (almost coach level of quality), later lesser and some with faux-suede vis-a-vis four stripe pogs.
     
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  7. gavna

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    Just remember in 83 or 84 having to peel off the made in china (maybe it was Taiwan no difference really) stickers on the few we sold. The boron was quite a bit stiffer than the POG and in the end really didn't offer enough to keep the production going.
     
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  8. mad dog1

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    taiwan quality was considerably better than the china quality. taiwan pogs had good durable paint jobs. later thailand & china made pogs had uneven paint finishes, paint cracking at the top of the Y at the throat, yellowing & cracking clear coat. none of my prince classics made in taiwan had these issues that i saw in some of my thailand/china made sticks.
     
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  9. gavna

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    I unloaded a bunch of new POGs that never sold about 18 mos ago all from 1980 - 83, had them mixed in with a ton of old stock and I agree the finish was outstanding they looked like new and I found them in a box that was in a shed exposed to South Florida and Texas conditions. The lacquer used was like armor.
     
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  10. v-verb

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    Getting 2nd or 3rd gen Prince Boron on Wednesday - will hit with it that night and let you guys know how it feels.

    Cheers

    nigel
     
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    I have Precision boron longbody OS (shortened to standard). It is a nice racquet, but nothing special about it. And it is, imo, flexier than POG OS. I prefer feel of twaron/kevlar ;)
     
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    For the youngsters in the crowd, a completely different racket from the original Prince Boron.
     
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  13. BlueB

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    Love that! So, the "real" Boron = POB, to go with graphite counterpart, POG? :D

    Mine is a cannon, a precise one, though. It's a bumperguard version. At least 1pt less HL then the most HH POG I've encountered.

    [​IMG]
     
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  14. v-verb

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    I think that's the version I'm getting - will have it tomorrow and play it tomorrow night.

    Can't wait! So it's a cannon? NICE!!
     
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  15. v-verb

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    So had a hit. The weight is not noticeable at all for me. It swings really nicely.

    It came with some super stiff tension, probably north of 70 lbs. Hit like a board but when I connected just right it was superb

    Getting it restrung with RPM Team 17 ga at 40 lbs.

    All in all it's a great frame. Serves? Let's say it was very nice. When I focused on form I was hitting bombs.

    So now I'm awaiting my POGs. But let's say the Boron is VERY nice!!!
     
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  16. mad dog1

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    the boron is a great racquet. the POG is a little flexier than the boron. both are great sticks.

    40#s in an 107 sq in head size? :shock: that's awfully low for an OS.
     
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    I have no means of measuring, but I think that mine came with syngut at about 65lbs or so...
    I do my POGs OS with 55/50 syngut or 55 syn / 45 poly and they play fine.
     
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  18. mad dog1

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    as long as it works for you. i string my POG OS w/ syn gut at 58# and 56# w/ poly. same w/ the my Boron. i can probably afford to drop 1-2#s without sacrificing too much control, but there's no way i could go as low as 40-45. i got 44-46# in my PS85s and 50#s in my 95 sq in sticks with open patterns. in tight 18x20 patterns, i can drop my tensions down to 44# full poly.
     
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    Yeah, I'm not suggesting full bed at 45, that's just my poly cross with much tighter syn mains.

    How HL was your Boron, with original leather grip, strung? Mine is about 5 HL...
     
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  20. mad dog1

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    i've never measured mine, but it's approx 1-2 pts less HL than my 4 stripe POG OS so that sounds about right.
     
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  21. v-verb

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    Good points guys.

    I used a Ripstick which is 2 inches longer and can crank the serve on occasion. However the last few months the Ripstick has been hurting my wrist so I've mothballed it. I used a CTS Graduate (nice feeling stick) and a Babolat Pure Drive GT - again nice - but neither felt like the right fit. Both seemed heavy through the air.

    I used POG OSs in the 80's and remembered them as really mobile so I thought I would try POGs again (the Boron was just an impulse purchase).

    Here's the thing that freaks me out.

    I'm good for on average an ace every 2 sets in the last 2 years. With the Boron I cracked 6 aces in the first set. I've never done that even when I was younger and stronger. The second set I tried to overpower the ball and didn't do as well.

    So, I'm hoping the restring gives me some more feel off the ground but doesn't kill the magic I found when serving. We'll see when I get the racquet back.

    And I checked my tracking #'s and there are 3 POGs awaiting me at the post office. One grommetless OS and 2 Mids. We'll see how they stack up!

    Cheers
     
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  22. v-verb

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    Update on the Boron.

    I got it restrung with RPM Team 17 (at 60lbs. I had asked for 40 but I guess "they knew better" and it's settled at 50lbs).

    The power I had on the serves has lowered but I'm getting more spin. So I'm still getting more aces - again about 5-6 per set but it's not through sheer mph but pace and spin. And service winners are up as well.

    Still tinkering with string - will try Kirschbaum Spiky Shark 17 next at 35 or 40 lbs and I have my own stringer now so no more hassles with stringer punks who "know better".

    And back to back with my POG OS, the Boron is very close in playing feel, with a bit more power.

    Highly recommended!!!

    PS my USA Boron is at the Mailbox place and I'll pick it up Wednesday - can't wait to hit with it.
     
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    Time for your own stringing machine perhaps..??:)
     
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  24. v-verb

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    You are correct! Yep as I noted I got a stringer - a Klippermate as I figure I may string 5-6 racquets a year. We'll see how that plan works out!
     
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    they made a Boron that was extended length that was sold in mostly europe...it was a nice frame. It also had 2 crossbars on it. It was sold more recently than the older (80's) borons I recall.
     
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  26. mad dog1

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    yes, it was the precision boron.
     
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    I thought you meant you got a personal "stringer" instead of a machine..:)
    If you can find them in the USA, get yourself a Stringway manual machine as soon as you feel you need an upgrade on the Klippermate.
    Their dropweight system is very accurate since the weight does not have to be level. Any angle will result in the requested tension.
    John "JayC" Elliot has one and I've seen him work with it, perfect!!
     
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    Hey Hannah19

    Thanks! I'll see how the Klipper works out and may upgrade at some point

    Cheers!

    nigel
     
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  29. v-verb

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    Just picked up my bumperless Boron. Very nice!! It has the old graphics with 3 dots over the i, but doesn't say "Made in USA" like I thought all bumperless POGs and Borons were.

    Any experts know the definitive answer?

    Cheers

    nigel
     
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    I'm not sure it's copacetic for the racket MSRP to be over double that of the machine used to string it ! ;) .
     
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  31. v-verb

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    Actually I paid $50 used and $75 to ship for the Klipper and the Borons were I think $500 when new so probably over a 2:1 ratio.

    But hey it's all good:)
     
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    Weren't most, if not all of these (including the Wimbledon versions), made by Kunnan in Taiwan?
     
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