Discussion in 'Racquets' started by JackB1, Feb 3, 2012.
jackb1, this review was great, enjoy your new toys
I played with my new Warriors last night and am very glad I made the switch. Everything clicked right off the bat, and I'm coming from a very different sort of frame, the Dunlop 300. I'd grown quite used to it and played just fine with it, but the Warrior gives me just a little more free power with its slightly larger head and stiffer frame, with no loss in control. The grip shape fits me like a glove, whereas even with the Dunlop grip, which is on the boxy side, I found myself twisting the racquet in my hands between points to reposition my grip. I never thought about fine-tuning my grip during two hours of play. That made a noticeable difference in my game immediately. I can't remember the last time, in fact, when a new racquet felt so right from the first hit. Usually there's an adjustment period of at least a couple hours. But not with the Warrior. Forten Sweet, mid tension, grip it and rip it.
Used my new Warrior tonite for the first time in a competitive league match and won 6-4,7-6 against an opponent that beat me last season 6-1, 7-6, so I was very pleased to get the win. The racquet had good power even with a poly/syngut hybrid. This racquet gives you oodles of spin. Some of my kick serves came up over head high, which was great to see. Very happy so far with my purchase.
^ Wow Jack... I think (after reading many of your comments over the years) that you have played with just about everything.....
And I like that about you....
The Warrior100 intrigues me... it seems (spec-wise) like the o3 white.. Loved that frame. Don't know if you have any experience with that one.
I enjoy 100sq.in. frames that have some bend to them and that don't swing clumsy, like the ProOpen (kfactor+BLX varitety) and o3 white, in this regard.
Some questions for you on the Warrior100:
-Are you feeling the shaft bend at all on serve? Even the slightest?
-Does it have that 'sweet swing', where it feels compact like a 95 and under frame?
-Are you contemplating a switch?
Jack and I were discussing this issue on the boards the other night. I also have a sensitive elbow and shoulder. I love how I am playing with the Rebel but it frankly gives me tenderness in my shoulder and elbow. I have full gut set ups in both of mine. I tradtionally play with the Becker London and Melbourne. I think long term, I am going to have to make the switch back as much as I like my recent results with the Rebel 98.
Yes I am seriously contemplating a switch.
The Warrior is nothing like the White (which I played for about a month). Heavier swingweight and not as head heavy feeling. It also doesn't feel as flimsy as the White and not as powerful. Just much more solid feeling with lots more plowthru.
About the shaft bend, I will have to pay more attention next time to that, but I didn't notice anything so far that I recall. I just notice a cushioned response with nice comfort, but not overly flexy at all...middle of the road.
I didn't know if it "feels compact" or not. It feels like a 100" frame . That may be a personal subjective thing. It feels very similar to my Becker Pro and the Speed 315 if that helps.
just another update.
been playing the Warrior with poly/syngut hybrid the past week and it works pretty well in this frame. You get lots of control with a poly and it tames a lot of the power and adds more spin. Really enjoying this frame a lot. The specs seem custom designed for me and it just seems to fit me like a glove. Seems like you can really influence the power level a lot with different strings and tension. Everyone should be able to dial in the level that works best for them.
Jack B I see your avatar has changed & the BBDC Pros up in the for sale section. What was the determining factors in making your switch?
I'm guessing maybe the slightly lighter swingweight? Does it feel a little quicker?
Just a couple of minor reasons...
1) swingweight and overall weight is PERFECT for me with no need to add leadtape (DCP needed a little)
2) Prince gripsize is more to my liking versus the Becker shape
3) I like the Warrior cosmetics better
4) I like the Prince name over the Becker name
Its actually heavier and has a heavier swingweight than the Becker, believe it or not. But that's what I like about it
Interesting, so the TW average specs don't seem accurate to you? Unless I'm off I'm seeing 327 sw, 11.1 static and 3 HL for BBDC Pro and 319 sw, 11.0 and 4HL Prince EXO3 Warrior. 327 to 319 is a decent amount to be off, much less actually somewhat reversed if that's the case. I didn't look at TWU yet.
They are close, but according to the ones I have...the Warrior is 328 sw
and the DCP was 323. The Warrior definitely "feels" heavier when going from one to the other. I have learned over the years that TW's published specs can be off by quite a bit.
Jack - how does the Warrior compare to the Steam, Juice or London? There's a new Pacific Fast Pro racquet that looks intriguing; thx
That Pacific Fast has a 71 stiffness rating...definitely too high for me.
I only briefly demoed the Wilson's but the Warrior has a lot nicer feel then those 2. The Wilson's also had a little more power and the power wasn't as controllable as the Warrior. The London is a better comparison to the Warrior, but the Warrior is a little more user friendly and the stringbed is more predictable IMO. The London has a slightly more cushioned feel at impact and is a better "all court" racquet. The Warrior is primarily a baseline stick, but really does everything well.
Jack - just posted in another thread - am down to final two with Warrior as one of them. Let me know your thoughts?
I replied in that thread
Dang it JackB1! I was perfectly happy with my Donnay Pro One until I read this thread. I was so intrigued with this racquet, I demoed it, and now have one in my bag. My racquet's strung weight is 11.15oz and 5HL. What is yours. Mine is strung with Tonic 16/Scorpion and has a overgrip.
I know what I'm talking about
The Warrior is the first racquet I am playing (for now) with Poly mains. I have it now with Prince Beast/Prince Attack and its great. I liked the demo with full Beast and so I went with the hybrid to soften it up a little and add a little more pop. Mine weighs 328 grams total with overgrip.
How is it playing with that gut/poly hybrid ?
I just had a chance to hit with the Warrior yesterday(thanks Jack) and all i can say is WOW. Coming from a PD, i found the lighter swingweight just perfect, i was ripping backhands with incredible control. It had a little less power than the PD but much more control. I see how it progresses over a longer period of time, but as of now i love this stick.
Haven't had a chance to hit with it yet. I will Sunday and report back.
Jack - I like the warrior as well and have been thinking about getting one. However, I was wondering if you ever tried the Warrior TEAM. I did last night on a whim and was very surprised. Loved it. It felt very similar to the regular warrior but with it being more HH and with the lower weight, everything just seemed even better. Power, comfort, control all felt perfect. It did not feel like a sub 11oz racquet at all and the SW is listed at 322 which is not bad, and higher then the SW TW has listed for the reg warrior. Mine with overgrip and dampner came in around 10.08 oz.
Anyway, I was wondering if you ever tried the Team? and if you haven't encourage you to do so. I'd love to see a side by side comparison from you since you are so familiar with the warrior. Thanks.
Have not tried the Team model yet, but not sure if there's a point to me trying it? It seems very similar but lighter and more HH. I will if I get a chance, but I can't see myself switching to it. I think the beam is also slightly thicker so it may be slightly more powerful.?
Thanks and yes, the spec differences you mentioned are true, however I was surprised at how much I liked it and in a way preferred the Team. By looking at specs alone I NEVER would have thought that would be the case. Just goes to show, once again, you can't always go by numbers alone. It may be slightly more powerful, but balls never flew on me, and the control and ease of play seemed better. Anyway, don't rule it out. If I had to pick one of the two right now, I would have a hard time. Both great racquets.
I'll try it soon, but I hope I don't like it, as I just bought 2 new Warriors
I refuse to hit with anymore racquets. As soon, as I bought 3 Donnay racquets, you posted this review. Every freaking time I think I have found my racquet, some person posts another great racquet review. Of course my idiotic self has to try that said racquet and "BAM", I have another racquet in my bag. Give my wallet a chance to warm-up from my butt before you post another racquet review. Geez......My wife is getting pissed. Her favorite quote is "why do you need so many, you can only play with one at a time!" Women!
that made me laugh, I have the exact same situation right down to the quote from the wife! I hide them in my boot and now sell the surplus ones in here so she can't see them on that auction site. Still want to try Warrior 100, have another go with IG Rad OS, now the Warrior 100 Team (BC1's fault), Volkl PB 10 (Racketfever's fault for his new thread). If I can go one week without a new frame, that is progress!
BC1, are you going to switch from your Rebel? I have discovered the Rebel 98 is not more forgiving than my Prestige Midplus so is not the "lighter, more forgiving but still solid" alternative I am looking for.
Got the Warrior 100 demo today as I am just delaying the inevitable by waiting any longer! In you "man" thread, you seem to prefer the Warrior Team. The big thing for me is solidity on impact. Does the Team give you that as much as the regular Warrior (which I have not experienced yet)? What would you lose by selecting the Team over the full Warrior?
Dgdavid, seems like we're both searching for the same racquet, and answers. I am actually wondering about the same questions as you. I need to demo them both side by side to see for sure which one is best for me and what their differences are. I played with the regular warrior first. Liked i alot, the went to the rebel, and a a brief stint with the pd2012, and now the team. It seemed as solid as the reg warrior on most shots. But to be honest i myself,am wondering what the difference and benefits are for both racquets. I now have both demos in my bag and hope to put them to the test soon. The weather is not cooperating though. I will report back as oon as i can.
As far as the rebel goes, you are right, its not always easy, but it is still a great racquet. Im holding on to it for those days when my game is on. Ive played some great tennis with it, but you got to hit the ball right, and u are rewarded when u do.
Just a little update....
really liking the Prince Beast / Attack hybrid combo in this racquet. Surprising power and touch for a poly hybrid.
Highly recommend anyone with the Warrior try out this combo.
Still loving life with the Warrior. It just seems to do everything well for me....serve, volley, groundstrokes. Its also very accurate when going for the lines. Cant think of anything negative to say about it
Good to hear. Im hoping to end up with this racquet or the team. I say hoping because i want one of these to help me get over the pure drive 2012. And thats not going to be an easy task. I am having a a very heard time breaking away from the pd. One of my priorities in a racqiet is a strong serve, power is key, plus conrtol and consistency. The pd is great on serves, but im not as sure with the warriors. From my experience they were good, but not extraordinary. Couldnt tell much difference between the warrior or warior team. But i havent spent a lot of time trying to perfect my serve with the warriors either, so im not sure of their potential.
What is your experience serving with the warrior? Did string set up make a big difference? How would you rate the warrior on serving: 1 - being the worst, 10 - being the best serving racquet ever.
Fwiw- I'm wanting to switch to the warrior for its comfort, flex, and all around playing characteristics. The pd stands out in some areas, mainly pure power, spin abilty, and sometimes the stifness of the pd is a benefit, you can always depend on it to get you out of trouble. However the warrior is a totaly dfferent experience and i prefer the feel and control i get with the warrior, plus i like the look and thinner beam ofthe warrior, it dosent seem as thick and bulky as the pd. If i knew for sure id be able to play a lot better with one over the other, it would be simple, but i think over time it would equal out.
Tw review please
TW, will you be doing a written or video review of the warrior 100, and the power meter charts and ratings? This is such a popular segment of racquets. We value your reviews!!
The Warrior is excellent on serve. I would say 9/10. But remember it always takes some time to hone your serve with a new racquet.
TW's review should be out soon, but the most important reviewer should be YOU.
Played with the Warrior 100 demo in a singles match tonight but a friendly. Stepped straight into the knock up having never hit it before and with a grip size too small (only demo I could get).
It was an interesting experience and the first time I have played a full singles match recently without going back to my IG Prestige MP from the start of the second set. Although I lost the first set tonight (as I have in my last five matches with new rackets), this time I didn’t switch because the racket felt good.
The guy I played against is a heavy hitter (groundstrokes and serves). I have recently played "first sets" with a Prestige S, Rebel 98 and Prestige Pro but have owned and played with AeroPro GT, IG Extreme MP, Speed 300 and Exo3 Tour 100 (16x18) plus a short stint with the IG Radical Pro.
First things first, the most important characteristic for me is the stability and solidity and I have liked other rackets until facing heavy hitters. Tonight, the Warrior did really well for me. In fact, it felt as solid as my Prestige. I am amazed really. I was in the first set but lost it 4-6 before going on to win the next two 6-2, 6-4. A lot of defence, a lot of good serve returns etc and a feeling that when I dial in fully, I will do very well with this.
Forehand was fine, backhand was acceptable (but moving to double handed anyway), volleys were good. Serve was not good but I literally hit 12 serves with the Warrior ever before starting the match and it is very different to the Prestige MP so not worried. I was knackered in the 3rd set but the Warrior was easier on me than the Prestige.
The only negative so far is I beat this guy 6-2, 6-1 with the Prestige MP so the result tonight (4-6, 6-2, 6-4) does not bear comparision BUT it was literally first time out against a strong player who played well, playing with a very different racket and I am sure I would not have been in the game with the Prestige S or Rebel 98. And to be fair, the first game score did not reflect how close it actually was. I am wondering how I will do if I can get fully dialled in with it.
To be continued. BC1, please take a sickie tomorrow and test that Warrior Team version again!!
oh, I had no "flyers" either. I guess this means it is forgiving because I had a few with the Rebel 98 (but none with the Prestige).
I'm enjoying the Warrior very much. It plays just fine stock, but I loathe synthetic grips, so I replaced the stock grip with leather. I also added three grams of lead as a counterweight, but out of habit more than necessity. I string mine with cheap Forten Sweet at mid-tension and don't think I'll bother experimenting with string changes any time soon. I've made my fair share of racquet switches in the past few years, and frankly I've grown tired of over-analyzing specs and reviews to find the perfect frame. I'm enjoying just playing and being content with the racquet in my hands. Like with cameras, the best racquet is the one you have with you.
Glad to hear you are enjoying the Warrior! How did you have it strung?
How does it compare to the Rebel 98 and the Prestige S? I also tried those 2.
The Prestige I didn't care for much. Too low powered and small sweetspot that I seemed to miss a lot, sending loads of bad vibrations down my arm. The Rebel 98 was better, but seemed to lack "ooomph". The Warrior has everything the other 2 didnt.
It was strung as standard in the UK with Prince Syn Gut at mid tension. No real issues with that.
The Warrior is definitely more forgiving that the S and Rebel 98 but to be fair, they are definitely more player stick orientated than the Warrior. Warrior definitely excels defensively versus these two and got a very good test yesterday. The solidity and stability is not the same with the S and Rebel. However, I have not been ultra aggressive with the Warrior yet but have a feeling it will do well. We will see tonight as I have another singles friendly tonight.
As far as the Rebel 98 is concerned, I am going to let that go and will probably sell it to a member at the club who wants one. Doesn't give me anything that the Warrior or Prestige is not already better at (for me).
The S might go as well only because when I consciously played a more spin orientated game with the Midplus, it was more spin friendly than I thought (stupidly, I never thought to do that as I do well flat with it). If anything, the Warrior played closer to the solidity of the Prestige than the S did. When I was a bit off centre with the Warrior, it still went over the net and in. The S dropped them at my feet.
Tonight I will be playing with the Warrior with some actual familiarity with it so it will be good to see. The opponent is a more crafty, slice and drop shots guy so it will be a different environment. I am not expecting Prestige level touch and subtlety but want to see if it has enough of both to consider a switch. Serve should improve too.
jack, what does the Beast/Attack @ 53/55 give you over the standard Prince Syn Gut? Is this your string set-up now or are you still testing it?
Dgdavid, thanks for your review of the warrior - keep the updates coming. Unfortunately I can't do a "sickie" today, but hopefully I will be able to put the racquets through an appropriate test either tonight or tomorrow night. I will let you know. I plan on using the standard Warrior again, since I've played with the team during my last two matches. And if possible I will rotate them in and out, or maybe during the match to get a good feel of them both.
The warrior demo I have is strung with a hyprid of prince poly spin 3d, and prince syn gut. From my previous hit, I think it is a good set-up, except personally I usually prefer lux alu rough at a low tension for most racquets, and I think that string would do well in the warrior. The Warrior Team is strung with prince xx spin. And I actually like the feel and the performace a lot - not sure how much of that is due to the strings or the racquet. And that's the problem. It is so hard to do a comparision of racquets when the string set-up is different.
Well spank my butt and call me Shirley. I am switching and staying switched, check the sig. No doubt whatsoever. Second match with it, straight sets. Hugely confident with attacking and defending. Serve fell into a lovely groove, touch shots were there, groundstokes, volleys the lot.
I knew that there was a racket out there that would make me feel like this. Big tick in all areas whereas even the mighty Prestige MP had some compromise areas for me. All the racket switching has been worth it. I even love the strings and feel no desire to change strings, add lead or anything. Tested against strong power hitter and crafty/skillful player now. Delighted and have confirmed my order for two. The rest are up for sale.
JackB1, I could kiss you. Wouldn't have even picked it up without your review and enthusiasm. The snob in me had me only considering Prestiges and such but now I've switched.
Racketfever, Skeeter etc, if you are reading this, just give it a go for a couple of sets. BC1, come join the club.
All that remains is for a Prince Warrior 100 owners clubs to be created. Go on Jack, the honour is definitely yours
A "virtual handshake" will do just fine thank you
Its great when a racquet just fits you like a glove. I feel that way about the Warrior. I agree with you that it does everything well. It's marketed a a "power game" stick, but I have no trouble with droppers, touch volleys, lobs, the works. Glad I was able to point you in the right direction.
As fas as a club thread, lets just keep this one going!
Hey DG...how do you compare the Rebel98 and the Prestige S to the Warrior? I found the Rebel slightly easier to use than the S due to more power and more forgiving stringbed. I liked both somewhat, but they were both trumped by the Warrior!
Also, since we seem to like similar racquets I am curious if you ever have tried the Yonex VCore 98D?
It is another racquet I was VERY fond of. Only negatives were the horrible Yonex butt cap (no flare) and the weird square hoop shape.
Had a Prestige S and two other racquets coming for a demo, and just changed out one of them for the Warrior. So, will give it a whirl and put it up against my current IG MP and the demo S (have a Donnay Pro One also on the list). Thanks for the advice (and always appreciate Jack's insights on these boards, but miss those post battles with Maverick!
You're gonna love it Skeeter!
The Prestige S is simply a lighter and SLIGHTLY more powerful Prestige. Same small sweet spot and same control oriented response.
lol about those "battles" with Maverick. He stopped responding to me though when I talked about the negatives of the Organix line, so the fun was over anyway. His "act" was getting old anyway and he got his due. This is a friendly community and not his (or anyone else's) podium.
Sign me up! Im 100% on board. Played three sets tonight with the warrior, not the team, and loved it. And the results were very good against two opponents, one who is much better then me - usually. Your post pumped me up, and the timing was perfect. I got it on my phone on the way to the courts. I dont have time now to write a full report, but i will in the morning or later tonight. I will do my best to compare it to the team and rebel 98. Thanks to jack, you, and all the others for all the posts and info on this great racquet. I think we are all going to be very happy!!
Welcome fellow "WARRIORS !!!. "Come out to plaaa-aaaay"
Let this from now on be the Official Home of "The Warriors" and owners of this great new racquet from Prince! Please call this place your home and share your experiences and setups with your fellow "Warriors".
My preferred setup is currently Prince Beast 17 mains @ 54 / Prince Premiere Attack 17 @ 56.
Fellow WARRIORS, i proudly join this fine group...
My current Warrior (which is a demo) is set up with prince poly 3d spin/syn gut, however i will be searching for something different when I buy, either full bed of alu power rough 16 at 56; attack/beast hybrid at 56/54; or xx spin 16 at58. Not sure how to go with this.
I would like to know from fellow warriors their string set-ups are as well, and their racquet weight if known. The reason I ask, is that it feels like my demo is on the light side, and Jack has said his feels a little heavier then spec.
My setup is Tonic 16 mains @ 58 / Scorpion 16L crosses @ 55. 11.2oz and 5 HL.
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