Prince Graphite Longbody 28 Inch Racquet

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  1. GasquetGOAT

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  2. improlumens

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    I have a few of these myself, and find them to be a blast to hit with but with a few shortcomings.

    The most obvious strength for me is the groundstrokes, especially backhands. I can hit huge two handers with these, with very good pace and top that consistently comes up to my hitting partners shoulders. Great for crosscourt angles. The low flex is also great for knifing slices-one of my favorite plays is to approach on a low chip down the line into the corner. FHs are nice for top too, but flat takes more precise timing off both wings.

    I find that this frame feels so nice from the backcourt that I am seduced into staying back and going for winners, or wearing down my opponent with the pace, spin and angles.

    Volleys and serves are two areas where this frame has not helped my game. The length lets me get more first serves in, but hard flat serves don't have the same zip as with 27 inch frames. It is definitely harder to snap your wrist through with the extra inch.

    Volleys off my backhand have always been stronger for me and aren't weakened by this frame, but off the forehand I need to keep the racquet face closed to be effective. Overheads feel great but you need to make sure your preparation is spot on.

    Overall, the strengths of this frame easily outweigh the weaknesses. Very comfortable, especially if you remember to let the frame do the work for you. I add weight under the grip (will probably get around to putting some inside the buttcap soon), above the grip, under the crossbar, and just a little at 3 and 9. Feels much more stable than stock this way, though still weighs just under 12 oz strung.

    Another drawback on this on is how quickly it goes through stings. I am still looking for an ideal setup here-my favorite so far has been Kirschbaum Supersmash Spiky 16s at 52 or 53 lbs. Unfortunately, there is a noticable dropoff after only one hitting session. Feels good with whatever you put in it though I will start playing around with string savers in the spring.

    Hope this helps!
     
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  3. mdjenders

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    Better hurry up. Appears there is 1 of these left in 1/2 grip.
     
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  4. ctrl-alt-del

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    it took me a while to finally buy one of these blindly (as they don't have a demo for it) and i loved it. i've since bought six others from forum members so now i have seven (!) of these. the extra length takes some getting used to, but ultimately, i feel like it has made my forehand and backhand groundstrokes from the back court much better. my serve is more consistent now with the extra reach and extra spin. i never go to net much, so i don't mind if that's a minus. its so headlight that its really not as bad at net as they say. i actually hit volleys better with the longbody than with my former racket (prince 03 tour midsize). i asked my regular hitting partner what he thought changed in my game since i switched from the 03 to the longbody and he said that my serve used to be harder and faster but now i have better placement, spin and consistency. he says its harder to break now. he also said that there's more shotmaking in my game now. Once you get used to the length, you have so many options with the forehand. you can whip the extra length and drive through the ball down the line or you can brush up with mad racketspeed and get a ball that jumps up over your opponents shoulders. also, the slice on the backhand side is great. all in all, i highly recommend this frame and i wish there were more 28 inchers available on the market. ferrer, ferrero, and nalbandian all play with 28 inch frames so i don't see why prince and other companies don't produce more (or any!) 28 inch frames. you should string this racket loosely if you want any power though. either that or add weight. stock, it is very headlight and low powered so you really have to swing fast. i experimented with hybrid (gut on the mains / poly on the crosses) but have found that full poly at between 45-50 pounds works the best on this frame. anyways, good luck. definitely don't hesitate to buy it. its great.
     
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  5. ctrl-alt-del

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    oh i did just think of one minus. the racket produces sssoooo much topspin that you kind of have to be careful about hitting short balls. it can land really short in the court and jump up and flat hitters can punish the ball into the corner. i find myself having to concentrate to make sure i hit a deep ball with the longbody. as long as you stay focused and stay aggressive and keep it deep while playing with it, making sure you don't give up any short balls, you're fine...
     
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    i hope not......i think all it says is that this racquet is only available in the 1/2 grip size.

    I'm ordering one right now. :D
     
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    i'll probably get it shaved down to 4 3/8ths.

    can't wait to try out this racquet -_- sorta an impulse buy. I really wanted to buy a Yonex...and might go with the RDS 002 tour...but i'm pretty sure that's not THE stick for me.

    i am almost 100% convinced that i WANT that full extra inch of length for my newfound love for the 2handed backhand. afterall THE best 2handed backhand i have yet to see is nalbandians :eek: just ridiculous crosscourt shots.
     
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    now my only question is...........how is this racquet for ONE handed backhands? lol.
     
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    Didnt Albert Costa use that racquet? He had a pretty good onehander so as long as your form and timing is good you should do fine hehe.
     
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    If I had more generous tennis budget, I'd get these and get them (3+) customized by **** to: 4 1/4" Head/Dunlop Grip, 27.5 in, 11.5oz, 10pts HL, 325SW, 65 stiff (around there). But I can't really justify spending that much money on getting (another) new racquets.

    Or, I suppose I could try to get 27.5in SP Tours. That'll be SICK!
     
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    what is this **** you speak of. a service offered by TW?
     
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    ^ google is your friend =). They tend to get pro frames that TW doesn't get since it is Roman Prokes' customization shop; I picked up some O3 Hybrid Tour 18x20s a while back that came from there as well as some PT630 paintjobbed to look like LM Prestige MPs.
     
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    It's a customization shop that does racquet specs.
     
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  14. hyogen

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    i see. thank you
     
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    I told you; they are all gone now. I tried to put two into my cart just to see how many they had, and it only let me put 1 in there. Now they are gone :(. There should be a movement to get these reintroduced.
     
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    ^ I hope they do bring it back but we also had a movement for the POG LB the first time around and it took a long time for them to be sold out...
     
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  17. GasquetGOAT

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    Damn! I missed out:cry: Prince should introduce a similar one in the 03 range.
     
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  18. ashaway

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    Cayman makes this frame. Pro Tallis II,xtra-long. 28". almost identical specs.
     
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  19. RoarTT

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    POG LB is my current racket and i love it. Didn't like it that much at first, but let me tell you; This racket needs lead tape! The stock weight is too lite and the racket feels unstable. I have lead at 3, 9 and 12, feels great
     
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  20. hyogen

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    how much lead? what length strips, and how many in each location? can you maybe take a pictrue of your racquet head?
     
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  21. Mister G

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    I have a 28'' Precision Graphite Pro (Longbody) that is hiding in my closet. Switched racquets now, dont like the Prince anymore. Hope you have good luck with your purchase!
     
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  22. hyogen

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    are you by chance selling it? and for how much? 100sq inch head right? pics? hyogen@hotmail.com

    Someone just created another thread about how these racquets are sold out at TW now :x I guess I'm lucky to have snagged one.
     
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    I asked TW about availability of POG LB in the future. Here is their answer:

    "Thank you for contacting Tennis Warehouse. Unfortunately, we are sold
    out of the Graphite Longbody's and we will not be receiving another
    shipment. We will have a few up on the used page if you are interested."

    Too bad, I was just getting around to buy one or two.
     
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  25. hyogen

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    there's a chance i'll be selling mine after trying it out once. -_-
     
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    If you do sell yours, please put me # 1 in line.
    My e-mail: ftaba1@yahoo.com

    What grip size have you ordered?
     
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    only the 4 1/2" was left.

    I will keep that in mind if i decide to sell (i very well may). liking the prestige classic tour (MP) a lot.
     
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    hey gasquetgoat, how confident are you that that is Davydenko's EXACT racquet specs...as far as weight/balance, length goes.

    How much is it?

    GAh, I could've had my pog LB today, but I messed up on the zip code.
     
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  30. ftaba1

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    4 1/2 that's the grip I use, so I'm really interested if you are selling!

    Don't forget to post you opinion here after playing with the LB.
     
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  31. hyogen

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    I for sure will. I just got it in the mail and opened it :D :D

    I'll keep the plastic grip thing on and just put an overgrip on it.

    I normally don't chip up my frames at all...just light scrape marks on the bumper guards regardless of how long i've had the racquet.
     
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    Just talked to ****. they spec'ed out the davydenko racquet right there for me:

    Stiffness 70
    Weight 330
    315 balance unstrung

    Midplus
    4 3/8”.

    27.5”


    Hmm...that's crazy:

    these are the specs from TW (for midplus std. length)
    Midplus Specs
    Head Size:
    100 sq. in. / 645 sq. cm.
    Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
    Strung Weight: 11.6oz / 329g
    Balance: 7pts Head Light
    Swingweight: 327
    Stiffness: 61
    Beam Width: 18-20 mm Tapered Beam
    Composition: High Modulus Graphite with Titanium and Tungsten
    Power Level: Low
    Swing Speed: Fast
    Grip Type: DuraTac
    String Pattern:
    16 Mains / 18 Crosses
    Mains skip: 8T,8H
    Two Piece
    No shared holes
    String Tension: 53-63 pounds


    61stiffness versus 70?!
     
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    that is ridiculously awesome that they're selling an exact model (not replica) of a pro.

    whose other racquets have they sold in the past?
     
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  34. GasquetGOAT

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    according to Old Crow they had some Coria specific 28 inch 03 Tour, which I would kill to get my hands on.
     
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  35. Jack & Coke

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    Nice looking racquet!

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    Midplus Specs
    Head Size: 100 sq. in. / 645 sq. cm.
    Length: 28 inches / 71 cm
    Strung Weight: 11.6oz / 329g
    Balance: 13pts Head Light
    Swingweight: 321
    Stiffness: 63
    Beam Width: 19 mm Straight Beam
    Composition: 100% Graphite
    Power Level: Low
    Swing Speed: Fast
    Grip Type: Prince Leather
    String Pattern:
    16 Mains / 18 Crosses
    Mains skip: 8T,8H
    Two Piece
    No shared holes
    String Tension: 45-60 pounds
     
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  36. hyogen

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    yep I e-mailed you ftaba1, please give me your best offer
     
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    Yes, I originally called them up for the last few 28" O3 Tours with the standard layup. When Roman told me about the customs made for Coria with the unstrung flex of 59 (=57ish strung), I begged him to sell me all of them and he did...

    I'm very happy with them so far. They are a great platform racquet for customization. To date, I've stayed at the original 28" length but removed the weight from under the bumper and replaced the leather grip with a Prince DuraPro. The result is 350gr strung weight and 8pts HL, very similar to my old Head Tour Xtra Longs.

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  39. GasquetGOAT

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    Thats an awesome collection you have got there!
     
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    i also have a pog longbody 1/2 for sale, email me at ravemaster806@yahoo.com with offers if u are interested, thanks
     
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    Are you sure its based on the midplus version not mid 95"?
     
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  43. GasquetGOAT

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    Yes Davydenko uses 03 tour midplus.
     
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  44. GasquetGOAT

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    Which one has more power, 03 tour mid or pog LB? whats the best way to get more power from the Longbody?
     
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  46. ctrl-alt-del

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    i think that choosing a more flexible, powerful poly string and having it strung relatively loose (45 or 50 pounds) is the best way to get more power out of the longbody. i experimented with leading up the whole racket, or leading it at 3 and 9 or leading it at 12. leading it at 12 actually really did make it much more powerful, but i was hitting really flat with it and wasn't getting as much topspin. I've gone back to stock weight with loose and flexible strings.I find that i like the softer co-poly strings on this racket (topspin cyber power 17 gauge at 45lbs and signum poly pro plasma pure 16 gauge at 50lbs) better than the really stiff strings like luxilon. I highly reccommend Signum Poly Pro Plasma 16 at 50 lbs. on this racket. I've experimented with a lot of strings and tensions and that one is the best so far.
    As for comparing the longbody with the 03 tour mid? really very different rackets because the 03 gets its power from weight (its definitely a more solid feeling racket with the weight more evenly distributed). its 11 grams heavier and it feels like its all in the upper frame of the racquet. the 03 tour mid is definitely more powerful but the longbody is so headlight that you can really whip through the ball and get wicked topspin and pace so its kind of hard to compare the two...
    All i can say is that i don't even play with the 03 tour mid anymore. I gave it to my hitting partner because i love the longbody so much.
    If you tend to hit up high in the stringbed, DEFINITELY don't hesitate to buy this racket. I grew up playing an old 83 square inch dunlop max 200g with a really high sweetspot, so with the longbody, its like having the sweetspot back up there at the same distance from my arm again. its awesome...
    think about it, i mean. how often do you hit in the lower part of the stringbed? not very, maybe on a fluke. how often do you hit in the upper part? probably very often...
    anyways, i'm rambling... hope my response was somewhat helpful though.
    i wish they made the new ozone protour in 28" though. that would be a real interesting racket.
    the 03s are real spinny but have that trampoline effect. which makes them great on flat serves and topspin groundstrokes but sometimes if you hit flat it will sail long by a foot.
    The best thing i can say about the longbody is that when you hit groundstrokes, it feels like the ball is somehow glued to the court. it always hooks and loops in. Even if you're not trying to hit the ball with topspin, there's a lot of top on it. It really frees up your game to go for more angles or hit harder. Or just relax and stay in the point and bomb topspin groundies deep in the court. If you're a baseline counterpuncher and tactician (or an agressive or defensive baseliner) and like to move your opponent around and prey on their weak backhands, its brilliant.
     
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  47. hyogen

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    big auction site: 260200142074

    i'll be really sad if this goes for less than 100 when it is 9.9/10 condition and i paid over $150 for it including a nice string setup :(
     
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    ended up selling this. did not like it i think mainly cuz of tennis elbow cuz i wasn't used to the much higher sweet spot. felt REALLY jammed when balls came at me close the body.

    very whippy--i understand what ppl say about this racquet now. hard to imagine Nalbandian using this racquet :eek:
     
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  49. gonzalocatalino

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    I love this racquet.
    Bought one just for fun, and now is my main racquet, i will buy a few more here in the classifieds.
    As i´ve a 1hbh, i wasn´t expecting much, but i´m enjoing it a lot.
    The extra inch is very helpfull on serves, and the 100" head is very forgiving and extremely spin friendly (The HL balance + the thin beam is a great combination, very easy to swing, even with the extra length)

    The only downside of this frame is the counterpart of most of his best qualities: the high flex rating makes the racquet a little unstable, but give you lots of comfort and feel.

    AMAZING FRAME!
     
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  50. nCode747

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    try out the extra leanth. if you like it keep it if you dont saw off an inch.
     
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