Prince Graphite Pro 90

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  1. nfor304

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    On the weekend I was in an opp shop and picked up a Prince Graphite Pro 90 ($5 inc original racket cover. Bargain!)

    On the side it says it was manufactured in 1986, which makes it the same age as I am.

    I had a hit with it today, intending to just mess around with it, and ended up playing a 2 practice sets with it. I usually use an iPrestige but I just could not put this down. It felt awesome, even with the strings that look like they havent been changed since 1986.

    Anyone else had any experience with this racket?
     
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  2. MichaelChang

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    yes, it is as if the lighter version of the POG 90. Same drilling pattern and identical frame except the stablizer crossbar on POG 90.

    If you like this racket you might as well try the POG 90.
     
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  3. Keifers

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    Yep, very nice frame. Don't know the percentage of fiberglass in there, but it does provide a very nice feel. I suspect that the Pro 90 is a little stiffer than your iPrestige -- what do you think?

    And yes, I've bought older Prince racquets with the original strings still in them -- almost always Prince Synthetic Gut 16 -- and they play great.
     
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    Great! I have one too and have played with it occasionally. Although the frame feels heavier than my other racquets, it's got such a solid feel to it and is very comfortable. I also have the original strings still on it. I stopped playing with it due to a small hairline crack that I noticed at the part where the mead meets the throat :( Great find though, I haven't tried the POG but prefer this one appearance-wise because it doesn't have that stabilizer bar.
     
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    Yeah its a bit more stiff and a little more stable than the iprestige I thought. It has great feel, really nice to volley with.

    I might have to check out the POG 90...
     
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  6. Keifers

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    I suspect you'll find the POG 90 (100% graphite) noticeably stiffer.
     
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    It's interesting... I've been reading more comments about the POG 90's stiffness/harshness in the main Racquets forum.

    This reminds me that a very-Prince-knowledgeable friend told me a few years back that Prince originally thought the Graphite Pro would be their big seller and that the 100% graphite POG would be too stiff for most people.

    As we all know, the POG became one of their all-time biggest sellers -- and I suspect this is due to the POG OS being a great frame, better than the Graphite Pro OS, and not nearly as stiff as you would expect a 100 graphite frame to be.

    Maybe the POG would not have been as popular or as long-lasting if there were only a POG 90 and no OS?
     
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    Does anybody knows flex rating of graphite pro90 ?
    One forum member mesured 49 for oversize version. I guess midsize should be around 54...
     
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  9. pshulam

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    Prince Graphite Pro 90 is very flexible compared to the rest of the series 90 rackets.

    Prince Flex Patterns (stiff to flexible):
    boron
    graphite
    magnesium pro
    graphite comp (80% graphite/20% fiberglass)
    pro
    woodie
     
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    Thank you. I just found pro90, and I need to put right strings in it...
    It's hard to believe to me that any graphite racquet can be flexier than "graphite comp". My Yonex RD7 feels like pure drive compared to graphite comp :D
     
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    Just found one the other day. Going to take it to the court and hit with it.
     
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    Write your review. I will write too, as soon as I strung my pro90
     
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    Prince Boron Longbody 338/11.92/58/338
    Prince CTS Lightning 110 355/12.52/63/333
    Prince Graphite Pro 110 351/12.38/49/335
    Prince Graphite Tour 321/11.32/72/341
    Prince Mono 349/12.31/62/326
    Prince Precision Graphite 640 360/12.70/61/332
    Prince Spectrum Comp 90 368/12.98/67/345
    Prince Woodie 376/13.26/35/335

    Wish I had more of the prince racket rdc's
     
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    Just played with it today and it is awesome. Great plow through on forehands and backhands, excellent for approach shots, pretty good for volleys.Awesome racket
     
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  15. pshulam

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    RA 67? I have two of these and do not really feel the stiffness.
     
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  16. gloumar

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    I had a shock trying this stick, the very first vintage racquet I ever plaied with, and also the best so far (beginners luck), as I'm brand new to the game (2-3 years).
    I stringed a lowtensioned copoly (48lbs, jauge 1.25).
    The mid head stays comfortable any time, the flexibility of the frame gives a butterly feel at any hit, even not perfectly centered.
    The open pattern gives a huge lively feel on every shot, and produces huge spin if wanted, actually the most I ever hit with a racquet :shock:. Crosscourt forehands and kicked serves at their best.
    And u can also crush the ball with precise flat strokes, as it gives lot of control.

    I also tried a Spectrum Comp, and it really felt alot stiffer, and as it is heavier also, I could not control the ball with this last stick. Immediatly resold, despite the perfect cosmetics of this frame :(

    I'd like to have a try with the POG too :)
     
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  17. Don't Let It Bounce

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    If you can try without buying, do it. It's a great frame. However, it has more of what you didn't like about the Spectrum than the Spectrum has! If you liked the Graphite Pro, its predecessor was the Precision Graphite 90 (the first one, with blue and gold pinstripe and with the plastic throat piece that is no fun to thread string through), and you'd probably like it too.

    There was also a blue racquet that was not released in North America that I think was really flexible. Someone posted pictures of it in the Prince Classics thread.
     
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    thanks DLIB
    Argh... that's too bad !
    Sure of it ? POG mid seemed more flexible than spectrum, and more HL. SpectrumComp 90 is almost evenly balanced, as I can remember.
    But I would really like to have a backup for this Graphite Pro 90 but it's very hard to find in Europe...
    What about the Diablo Mid or Precision Retro ? (same frame as i could read on the board) Any other suggestion ?

    Thanks in advance
     
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  19. gloumar

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    As I could compare both, The Graphite Pro 110 must be a bit and anyway feels alot heavier than the 90 : it is much more even balanced.
    I would place the Pro90 at maybe +10 or 12 HL and about 310/320 in swingweight rating.
    It seems to be more flexible also... Due to larger headsize ? the smallest, the stiffest ?? (for the same material properties)

    Anyway the Pro90 feels really lighter than it is while moving... extra top spin ability,and still very solid in rough contacts (returns, volleys).
    Perfect weapon for me too, Tennis005 :)
     
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  20. Don't Let It Bounce

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    I always played with the bigger ones, so anything I know about the 90's is hearsay, but Prince always listed the Graphite as being stiffer than the Spectrum, which was in turn stiffer than the Graphite Pro, etc. My Spectrum 110's felt harsher to me than my Graphite 110's, and that subjective feeling of harshness could come across as stiffness. Of course, this was all before Babolat RDC's; maybe the Spectrums really were stiffer than the Graphs.

    The two you mention seem likely to have similar specs, and you could add the EXO3 Graphite 93 and the Tour NXG Mid to the list, maybe. But they'll feel different due to construction, if nothing else. The 80's Princes were Taiwan-made, foam-filled critters.

    But if I were in your place and looking to back up (as opposed to replace) my Graphite Pro's, I'd hold out for a second one, even if it meant I had to wait until I could find one on auction or on the TT boards.
     
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  21. pshulam

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    Here's the spec for the Spectrum Comp 90:

    Head Size: 90 in2 / 581 cm2
    Length:27 in / 686 mm
    Strung Weight: 12.4 oz / 352 g (unstrung = 11.6 oz (330g))
    Strung Balance: 6 pts HL / 325 mm
    Composition: Graphite, Kevlar, Fiberglass, and Silicon Carbide Ceramic Fibers
    Beam Width: 19 mm Straight Beam
    Power Level: Low
    Stiffness: 62
    Swing Type: Long / Fast
    Swing Weight: 301
    String Pattern: 14 mains / 18 crosses
    Grip Type: Prince Full Grain Leather
    String Tension: 50 - 65 lbs / 23 – 30 kg recommended

    The POG mid should be slightly stiffer according to Prince.
     
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  22. gloumar

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    Very nice !! tnahks alot
    But wait a minute....
    How can 352g + 32.5mm balance point = 301 SW ???
    For having played one of these recently (didnt manage to, to be precise lol) SW is way over 300 according to me (330?). This is for sure.
    But I'm talking about feeling when hitting. I dt know how the SW is measured, but I noticed a difference many times beetween feeling and SW measurement.
    For example Prince REBEL95 and Babolat Pure Storm Ltd have the same SW measurement. Ridiculous. The first feels definitily more heavy. PS Ltd seems is a feather.
     
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  23. Don't Let It Bounce

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    Judging swingweight by feel can be a tricky and misleading business. The hand gives the mind a blob of sensory impressions, and the mind has to somehow separate the blob out into weight, balance, and swingweight.

    That being said, while 352g / 32.5mm balance / 301 SW is physically possible, it seems really unlikely, especially for a 1986 design. I have seen some odd variation in the Spectrum 90's specs, more than different grip sizes would account for and greater even than one would expect from manufacturing tolerances in the 1980's. I think I got these specs from a big spec collection thread here on TT: 368g, 67(!) flex, SW 345. Someone else once posted a weight of 330 strung, but I suspect that poster was misremembering or mistyping.

    Was it really a 90, or a 93 like the Graphite 90 was?
     
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  24. gloumar

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    My feeling was more close to [368g, 67(!) flex, SW 345]
    It was a white version of the SpectrumComp90. Grip 3.
     
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  25. gloumar

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    Once again a dream session striking with it tonight.
    This the very best stick I ever hit with (okayyy, i'm almost a beginner...)
    Tremendous feeling on power topspin shots, slices, serves, anything... I definitly love this 14*18 pattern and 90in2 head.
    Gives me lot of confidence when hitting...

    Thanks Don't Let It Bounce for ur advices, i think I found a backup for my GraphPro90 :D
    Champagne !
     
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  26. nfor304

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    Thought I would revive this thread since I've been hitting with this frame for the past 4 weeks or so.

    I restrung this at 75lbs (was very scared of breaking the frame since its so old, but on the side of the racket the tension recommendation is 65-80, so I thought I would go for the upper range which is what I usually do with new frames) with topspin Cyber Flash 17 string.

    For the past year or so I've been hitting with the K90, also with topspin cyber flash at 90.

    I find this frame to be far more forgiving from the baseline, probably because it is a little lower powered compared to the k90. I feel like I can swing for the fences and keep the ball inside the line. Topspin generation is great, slightly better than the k90, but it doesnt have as good plough through, so you really need to work hard in baseline rally's to make sure you're taking a full swing at the ball. You need to really get this frame moving to take full advantage of it. Its very comfortable swing from the baseline too, probably because of its flexy feel and composition. Mishits dont reverberate through your arm and you can really feel the ball coming off the strings when you connect flush in the middle.

    Volleys are amazing. So so solid and so crisp, I feel like i simply cant miss when I connect on the strings. I think the weight has a lot to do with it. I have no idea how heavy it is, but it feels like its around 12.5 maybe, so slightly heavier than a stock k90. Best racket for volleying i've ever used.

    Returns are also very good with this racket. Again the heavier weight is a big help, and if you connect on the strings and have any kind of forward momentum, then the ball is going to have enough to make it over the net. Again its very good if you swing early enough to connect with a full swing.

    Serving was probably its weakest area. Its quite good at generating spin, my kick serve had quite a lot of juice, and my slice serves were veering off all over the place, but I just couldnt generate the same kind of flat pace as I could when I use my k90 (or iPrestige previously). I'm not sure why this is, could just be because of the really high tension I had it strungat. After playing a few sets, I noticed I couldnt hold as easily or get as many free points while using this racket.

    Overall its a great frame, and i think i'll keep playing with it for a while until I really get a good feel for it and see what it can do when I'm really grooved with it.
     
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    ^^ 75 lbs w/ a poly string is really tight esp on a midsize frame. i would recommend dropping it down to 45-55 lbs depending on the machine you're using. 45-50 if you're using a CP and 50-55 if you're using a crank.
     
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  28. MAXXply

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    What I noticed most about this frame is that the edges are much more squared off and flush/straight than other Princes of the same era...it really seemed like the boxiest of all the Prince graphites (unless there are similar ones I've overlooked). It would've been interesting if Prince developed a graphite with the same equilateral(?) boxiness of the Woodie.
     
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  29. chrischris

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    Can you post a picture or 2 of it? i may have one but not sure until i see what you have.
     
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  30. Keifers

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    In case anyone might be interested, I just posted an ad for a Graphite Pro 90 in the Classifieds forum. It should be up soon, hopefully in the next day or so.
     
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  31. gloumar

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    Hi guys,
    As the brand has reissued the Prince Original Graphite 90 and as the Graphite Pro 90 (1986) just plays much much better, I have decided to put up a petition for a reissue of the Prince Graphite Pro 90, the most incredible stick of the universe !
    Would you be in ? I think if we manage to have 10 signatures, it could not be ignored longer by the people in charge...

    @ Don't Let It Bounce : You were right : hard to backup, as nothin seems to compare in the newer issues !
    I tried the Diablo TOUR MP to backup it (in a lighter model, for competition). Bad idea. Kind of the same butterly feel, really good racket, but not as stability and connection to the ball at all. I guess the MID would be better in terms of weight and plowthrough, but it's way stiffer isn't it ? I 'll try the O3 TOUR MS soon.
    I guess anyway that there's a true heredity between the graphite Pro and the Diablo, as their shapes are reaaaaly similar... did you notice that ?
     
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  32. gloumar

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    So much, really ? It's still so maneuvrable I was thinking of just over 12, maybe 12.2.

    My personal ones :
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  33. jonestim

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    I just picked one of these up in spectacular condition at Goodwill. I have been hoping to find one for a while. Mine, in a grip size 4 1/2, weighs in at 365g with OG and damp. It is around 14 points head light strung... Even more head light than the my Pro Staff 85s with overgips - and heavier than all but the St Vincent bumperless.

    I hit with it tonight. Butter - even strung with what appears to be PSGD, which I hated in my POG 4 stripe as it made it feel harsh.

    Good stuff.
     
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    I purchased a second one that was new old stock off the bay. I wanted to make sure that it was also a "Graphite Pro Series 90" in hopes that it would be very close in specs to the one I picked up at Goodwill.

    First one strung:
    360g - 12pts HL. 364g - 13 HL with OG

    Second one strung:
    349g - 9pts HL 353g - 10 HL with OG
    According to the TW Calculator I should be able to put 11g in the butt cap and get the same weight/balance.

    I started looking at them to compare and noticed that the fonts of the specs on the throats were different. The lighter one also has a Taiwan sticker and a grip size sticker. The font on the heavier one matches the font on my two POG Series 90 racquets that weigh in at 348 and 352g.

    I am now on the hunt for another one.

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  35. Sinner

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    Nice find.

    My aunt had the OS back in the day. I played with it a few years back and the first thing that hit me... the FLEX... wow. Haha. Oldschool.

    I had the Precision Graphite 90 back then... unfortunately it had disappeared over the years.
     
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    Can anyone share any info on the Prince Graphite Finalist 90?
     
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  37. MAXXply

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    An open-patterned widebody akin to the Thunderstick 90. Headlight, 12oz., all the usual hallmarks of a hefty Prince Mid but the CTS Graduate-style silver grey PJ was ruined by a mish-mash of vomitous accents and trims that screamed "Bargain Bin".
     
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    Condescending or humorous response from Seller?

    Offered $35 for a Prince Graphite Pro in 9.5/10 condition, including a rationale behind the offer that a new one sold for $25 and two racquets in 8.0+/10 condition sold for $30 recently at the evil auction site.

    Received the following response:
    Is this condescending, sarcastic or humorous?
     
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  39. jonestim

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    It is just being a bit clueless about the racquet's worth. Yes they are in "limited supply" but they are also in limited demand. There are not a ton of people looking for them so when at auction they go cheaply. When people put a buy it now price on them they tend to sit for months. I would say send in your $35 offer again next month at this time, then in April, etc....
     
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    Agreed that the demand is not great -- I would be surprised if the racquet were sold at the current "buy it now" price of $80.
     
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    What an a*****e...!!
    I'd be more than happy to receive a $35.00 bill for Graphite Pro anytime, especially nowadays..!!
     
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    Graphite Pro brings back memories of my junior days. Used to love this racket. I graduated from the Graphtec DB (still have two of these) to the GP, but I think I broke all the GP's.
     
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  43. pshulam

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    I concur that an offer of $35 is reasonable based on recent sales and the relatively low demand of this racquet and such contemptuous remarks are not warranted.
    I finally have my new Graphite Pro 90 strung with Topspin @52lb (main) and Gosen OG sheep 17 @55lb (cross). This racquet provides great comfort and stability. I did not detect any noticeable vibration and twist against heavy balls. I was able to hit with heavy pace and directional control, placing the ball as intended. Most shots landed near the baseline. As expected, the racquet does not have as much power. A full swing is needed. Volleys were easy to punch through. Serves were consistent but not much pace. Spins were easily accessible on serves, backhands and forehands. I enjoyed the racquet the most on returns because of the ease of putting the balls with pace where I wanted.
     
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  44. Hannah19

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    I would consider U$35.00 for a nice Graphite Pro a fair offer nowadays.
    You may end up paying around U$50.00 if it's near mint but he is asking n.o.s. prices for a used racket.
    Three years ago, maybe he could have fetched U$70.00 to U$80.00 but not today..!!
     
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  45. jonestim

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    The last two NOS that sold on the bay went for $28 after shipping - I bought that one - and I think the one a week later went for about $36 after shipping. I have seen them in 8+ condition sell for as little as $15 after shipping.

    Just out of curiosity, which grip size are you looking for Pshulam? I wouldn't mind picking up one more in 4 1/2 at some point and I am wondering if we will be bidding against each other some time.
     
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  46. pshulam

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    Either 4 3/8 or 4 1/2. Don't worry - I would not bid too much for it as I already have too many racquets. My collection used to exceed a count of 30. Now it's in the single digit which I intend to keep.
     
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  47. wupaiwuzheng

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    oh yeah,i got a used one with cny265. it feels longer body than my wilson mid93 but it‘s not actually.
     
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    Bought one today, with cover & recent Head vibro dampener. Looks like original strings from 1986. Bumper guard is bit ratty but I will trim with cutters.

    Already have a POG 90, POG 110 & GPro 110.
     
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  49. MrRandom247

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    Coached with it today, stable in volleys & loads of accurate spin on a few serves. Love the subtle black & white paint scheme. Strings aren't original, SuperSpeed printed on them. No leather original grip, replaced it with a black cushioned Pro Kennex I had floating around.
     
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