Discussion in 'Classic Racquet Talk' started by scottatuofm, Apr 24, 2010.
Did the POG 5 ( straight shaft) play like POG 3.5, 4 and 4.5? Same balance and weight?
Is there a racquet that is very similar to the POG OS but swings lighter? I have two 1 stripe POGs and they seem to swing very heavy. Much heavier than my BLX 95. The feel on contact of the POG is awesome. But I cannot get the whip on my serve or backhand to produce consistent spin.
Have you tried the 4 stripe os? I'm no expert but my 1 stripe os weighed like 13.3 oz strung with an overgrip whereas 4 stripes are
~12.3-12.5 oz range. They are much easier to swing.
I'm really enjoying POG mids right now.
How does the Tour compare to the original POGs from the 80s and 90s? Thanks for your thoughts!
i've got a couple of 1 stripers and 4 stripers and found the same to be true.
That's true. I had a 4 striper and it was a bit lighter. Maybe not quite as light as I'd like though. I shouldn't have got rid of it anyhow. I think an Ozone tour or Diablo MP might fit the bill.
Has anyone here used the POG 6 (Tour) and the 4-stripe versions (POG 4-4.5)? If so, how do they compare? I have played with 4-stripe versions and I really the weight and balance of it. I hear conflicting things of the tour... it's way off from the 4-stripes.. versus no change...any advice? thanks.
How would you describe the mid in comparison with OS? Do they have the same plush feel? Thanks.
I used to play with mid before the OS.. it has the same plush feel.. it's a spin monster too 14x18 pattern...I think the Prince got it wrong with the EXO3 graphite.. they should have just made a 100 sqin POG 27in.. that would have made everyone happy...
Not as much plow through or power. Obviously smaller sweet spot. More spin and easier to whip. I am more comfortable with it on my 1hbh.
can someone please take photos of the grommetless version of the POG OS I am not sure if the one I have is missing grommets or is just gommetless...some of the string holes on the 10 and 2 o'clock positions are square shaped.
it's easy to tell if you've got a grommetless version of the POG. the racquet won't have the groove for the grommet strip from the 3 to 9 o'clock positions (bottom half of the hoop) because it wasn't designed for a grommet strip.
Mid has less plow through but its spin is unreal. It is also much easier to whip it around for short angle shots. Comparing them side by side, there is a noticeable difference in head sizes but playability-wise I don't notice much in sweet spots. I also serve better with mid because its head comes around faster.
topspinlob, Pwned, and jjs891, thank you all for your comments. I appreciate it.
Nice thread. I'm picking up the mid. My pro swears by them. He went back to the POG OS after 15 years away. He wonders now why he ever left. The OS is too big for me, so am going with the mid.
Edit: I am getting rid of the leather grip. I never liked the Prince leathers.
i really like both the mid and OS, but i find the mid to be too stiff. after an hour hitting w/ it, my shoulder starts to ache.
on a separate note, why don't you like Prince leather grips? i find the Prince Genuine Calfskin leather grips to be quite good.
Weird I know, but the calf skin is too smooth and not grainy enough for me.
I went to a Goodwill today and bought a POG single stripe 110 for $1.91. No grommets. A little beat up but well worth 1.91
The first generation POG (1 stripe grommetless) had a slightly different head shape (not the typical oval shape) compared to all the other POGs. Below are some pics -
Could you possibly post a pic of the beam on these first POGs? Mine has a groove from 9-3. If it does need a grommet, where can I get one?
1st Generation POG
I sold all my 1st generation POGs. I think the grommet strips for the 4 stripe POG, which should be available relatively easily, would fit the 1 stripe POGs (2nd and 3rd generation with individual and strip grommets) I don't have any clear pics showing the beam, however below are some pics that might help you -
I'm a big fan of the POG 3 OS. Hit with a POG 3 Series 90 last night and it does feel stiffer and much less plush-but-crisp than the OS. Tremendous spin potential, though; much, much more than the OS.
Among the Prince 90s of that era, my nod goes to the Graphite Pro. Its graphite/fiberglass composition (80/20, I believe) gives it the feel that the POG 90 is missing. The GP 110 is a very nice stick as well, although not as crisp as the POG OS.
(A friend of mine who knows a ton about sticks from that time told me Prince originally expected the Graphite Pro to be the bigger seller. As we know, the POG turned out to be far more popular and long-lived -- and deservedly so, imo (the OS).)
one stripe pog
I just acquired a one stripe POG oversize which has individual grommets and no bumperguard. No side printing - no top printing. Bears the date 1983. Recommended tension 72-80 pounds! So I don't exactly see where it fits into this list.
It is not exactly the same frame as the four stipe POGs I have although it looks like it might take the same grommet and bumperguard set. I wonder what you folks think about that? I've not encountered those individual grommets before - what to do when they wear out?
I love the 4 stripe POGs and play with them regularly, so this new one striper may become a favorite too.
Does anyone know if the POG 90 grommets fit the Graphite Pro 90 ?
COnsidering ti has the same headsize and the same pattern, how could it not be ???
I had both at a time but I haven't been clever enough to check that, and now I would like to get new grommets for the GraphPro90
the 1 stripe POG w/ individual grommets is the 2nd generation POG right between the 1 stripe POG grommetless and 1 stripe POG grommet strip w/ bumper. the 4 stripe POGs are lighter and stiffer than the 1 stripe POGs.
should fit, but if it doesn't fit exactly, you can always make strategic cuts to make it work.
Can anyone please tell me what racquet exactly this is? Thanks
It's a 4 stripe midplus which followed the Graphite 90. Great stick, and yours looks in excellent condition.
I bought it about 12 years ago and I didn´t play much with it. Back then when I bought it, it was already an old model, I think.
I can´t find this model or the model Graphite 90 in the first message of this topic. Is this one of the first pogs? / is it one of the best?
I don´t know much about racquets. Thank you
Your Midplus falls into the POG 4.5 category with the POG Oversize. They follow the Graphite 90 and Graphite 110 of category 4 in post #1.
Some say that the four stripe models were the best of the bunch, but it's all subjective to personal preference. I've played with the single stripe and the four stripe and prefer the latter myself, but there may be others that say the opposite.
I´m happy to know that! This was my 3rd racquet, the only adult size I bought. I was 15 years old when I bought it and 2 years after I stopped playing tennis. Now I´m 26 years old and I´ll start to play tennis again.
I will play with this racquet and I´m very proud it´s a well known classic, I had no idea it was such a good racquet.
By the way, how much does this racquet cost? Around $80 ? Thank you
Back to the mid. Such an easy racquet to play with.
sometimes you can find some really great deals on fleabay.
i bought a POG OS for $7.50 - it is a great racquet.
Switched to the exo3 graphite mid for about 8 months now. Not a hard transition, good stick. However, hitting with better opponents has given me an itch to try a more forgiving racket. I got the exo3 graphite 100 sqr. inch coming and will compare it to a pog OS I have but never really played with. Hmm.... : )
How much easier is the OS to play with than the mid? I have two 1 stripe's, one with grommets and one without in the OS size. Always wanted to try a mid, but no real point if it's a 5.0+ level type racquet (like the ps85) (exo version wasn't too bad).
The OS is the only oversize racquet I've ever been able to S&V with, which nowadays makes up most of my game. Although I've always wanted to try a Head Radical OS also to compare just to check it out.
^^ with a much bigger sweet spot, the OS is more forgiving than the mid which translates to more easy power. it's also a softer racquet so off center shots don't feel so harsh. the advantage of the mid is better control. if you know what you're doing, the mid offers pinpoint placement that is difficult to achieve w/ the OS.
in comparison to the head radical OS...it depends on which one. the YT feels hollow and tinny compared to any POG. the old TT rad os is solid, but is flexier & softer than most POG versions. the i.Rad OS is solid and feels stiffer than the TT rad, but still not as stiff as the POG. but your POGs 1 stripe grommetless and 1 stripe w/ grommets are both very different feeling sticks. the grommetless is very hefty but the hoop is much flexier than than the 1 stripe w/ grommets.
I feel the OS is harder to play with than the mid. I have two 1 stripe OS racquets (1 with grommets and 1 w/o) and do not enjoy using them anymore. The difference is significant compared to my current generation mids. The OS is harder to swing and generate racquet head speed with. The result is less spin on all my shots. Serve percentage goes way down for me and the trajectory on my groundstrokes is flatter and has less margin. A lot more power but at the high price of consistency.
I have a couple of POG Mids listed for sale in the Classifieds. One is a 1 stripe, the other is a 4 stripe. Both 4 1/2.
I really guess I just need to try it out then to form my own opinion. It seems like almost everyone is about 50/50 on the two.
Is there any difference in the materials and layup on any of these generations or are they just cosmetic changes?
Also, was the prince precision 700 just a POG with a different paint job to fit their marketing at the time? (mid 90's)
depends on your technique & strokes. pros have played with great success using both OS and mid POGs, so it's possible to play at a very high level with either stick. i definitely agree w/ Pwned that you lose some control w/ the OS vs mid.
best to try them both yourself.
not just cosmetic changes...the different POGs had different feel, weights & balance so the layups were probably different because they were all 100% graphite.
not 100% sure about the specific precision 700 in question, but since most of precision series were graphite/glass composition, not 100% graphite so they were flexier so i would venture to guess that this precision was also the same.
Do you have any documentation on those difference with the POG's? I can't find it written anywhere that the actual racquet (rather then the PJ) on the POG's varies any once the grommet change occurred from the initial drilled in ones.
While I know the Prince Graphite 2 actually had fiberglass in it, I can't find any review or breakdown on the Graphite Precision 700. Is there one archived on TW? I remember at the time it was the replacement in the lineup for the POG
^^ i haven't weighed my POGs on a postal scale before, but my 1 stripe grommetless pog and 1 stripe w/ grommet strip both feel alot heavier than than my 4 stripers. much harder to whip the 1 stripers around. i believe some other members here have measured & confirmed there are differences in weight & balance btwn the different versions of POGs.
i have a Graphite 2. it is 100% graphite & says so on the stick. i'm not sure about the Precision Graphite 640PL or 700PL. i seem to recall reading some folks mentioning it was lower powered & flexier than the POGs which indicates some graphite/glass composite.
The weight is essentially the same, balance is only 1 pt. less headlight. The maneuverability is the issue, that and it takes a certain talent to control that big of a headsize (reason I don't think it'll suit my 1hbh). The radical OS felt hollowed compare to any pog because of its lightness and the polar opposite string pattern might not suit you well. Try it out however and see.
I can't withstand the hitting feel of OS. Too large sweetspot make itself lack of sweetness. Wrong choice for me since i am used to midsizes.
When I first started playing tournaments I had a bag of 4-stripe POG mids. They were perfect for a 14/15 yo with a Michael Chang complex that seemed to end up at the net more than MC ever did. Loved them for the couple years that I used them. Ended up realizing that I was a more natural S/V player and switch to a one-handed backhand, got hooked on Dunlops and haven't looked back until now. Looking at the old POG pics brings me back to those days - playing the Madison Indoors, the Western Closed, and my favorite tourney: Notre Dame (something about playing in the shadow of the golden dome just got to me, and I'm not even Catholic...).
Brilliant thread. Gives an old guy a small boatload of nostalgia...
I have a Mid Tour (POG 6) purchased new from TW about 18 months ago and a 4 stripe Mid (POG 4) purchased used that has a sticker on it from 1987. They have significantly different balance points:
POG 4 (stock)
Weight: 12.0 (341)
Balance: 13.000 (4 HL)
POG 6 (stock)
Weight: 12.3 (349)
Balance: 12.125 (11 HL)
I only have one of each, so I don't know how much of a manufacturing variation one should expect in each version, but that is almost an inch difference in balance. I just got the POG 4 so I can't comment on play yet, but the balance difference makes it feel heavier than the POG 6 even though it is lighter. The POG 4 reminds me of my K95. I plan to take all 3 out soon.
Whoa whoa whoa, are these specs from your own measurements? TW says the newere POG Tour is 8 points HL and is 12.1 oz. The 4 stripes version is no way 1 pt. HL!
I find that hard to believe, the tour OS I have is easily much head heavier than my 4stripe mid.
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